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arxiv: 1906.09240 · v1 · pith:XIRXS3CLnew · submitted 2019-06-21 · ✦ hep-ph

Test of Lorentz Violation with Astrophysical Neutrino Flavor in IceCube

Teppei Katori , Carlos A. Arg\"uelles , Kareem Farrag , Shivesh Mandalia This is my paper

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keywords Lorentz violationIceCubeastrophysical neutrinosneutrino flavorPlanck scalequantum gravityneutrino propagationflavor composition
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IceCube astrophysical neutrino flavors can test Lorentz violation reaching Planck scale.

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This paper establishes that measurements of high-energy neutrino flavors by IceCube can search for Lorentz violation effects. The estimated sensitivity reaches the region motivated by Planck-scale physics, giving the experiment discovery potential. A sympathetic reader would care because it links cosmic neutrino observations to tests of space-time symmetry at the highest energies. The method works by looking for deviations in flavor ratios from those expected under standard propagation.

Core claim

The paper claims that analysis of the flavor composition of the diffuse astrophysical neutrino flux observed in IceCube can probe Lorentz violation with sensitivity to the Planck scale physics motivated region, thereby giving the experiment real discovery potential for such violations.

What carries the argument

The flavor composition of astrophysical neutrinos modified by Lorentz-violating terms during propagation over cosmic distances.

If this is right

  • IceCube data can constrain Lorentz violation parameters down to levels motivated by quantum gravity.
  • Deviations from standard three-flavor ratios in the observed high-energy neutrinos would indicate Lorentz violation if other effects are accounted for.
  • This provides an independent test of space-time symmetries using vacuum propagation over astronomical baselines.
  • Additional IceCube exposure will tighten constraints or enable a detection if the effect exists at the estimated level.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Success here would show that neutrino telescopes can test Planck-scale physics without new accelerators.
  • The same flavor-ratio approach could be extended to other high-energy neutrino sources or detectors for cross-checks.
  • Better modeling of neutrino production mechanisms at astrophysical sources would directly strengthen the test.

Load-bearing premise

The flavor composition of the astrophysical neutrino flux is known with sufficient precision in the standard case without Lorentz violation.

What would settle it

A determination that uncertainties in the expected neutrino flavor composition are larger than the size of the Lorentz violation signal at Planck scale would remove the claimed discovery potential.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 1906.09240 by Carlos A. Arg\"uelles, Kareem Farrag, Shivesh Mandalia, Teppei Katori.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Maximum sensitivity comparison for different Lorentz violation tests. Here, the [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Flavor triangle ternary diagram for astrophysical neutrinos. Here, the hatched [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗
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Astrophysical high-energy neutrinos observed by IceCube are sensitive to small effects in a vacuum such as those motivated from quantum gravity theories. Here, we discuss the potential sensitivity of Lorentz violation from the diffuse astrophysical neutrino data in IceCube. The estimated sensitivity reaches the Planck scale physics motivated region, providing IceCube with real discovery potential of Lorentz violation.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript estimates the sensitivity of IceCube's diffuse astrophysical neutrino flavor measurements to Lorentz-violating modifications of the neutrino Hamiltonian. It concludes that this sensitivity reaches the Planck-scale motivated region and therefore provides IceCube with genuine discovery potential for Lorentz violation.

Significance. If the sensitivity calculation is robust, the result would be significant because it identifies a new channel (flavor composition over Gpc baselines) for testing Planck-suppressed LV effects with existing IceCube data. The calculation is presented as a forward estimate based on data properties rather than a fit, which is a clear but limited strength.

major comments (2)
  1. [sensitivity calculation (flavor propagation and source modeling)] The sensitivity estimate fixes the injected source flavor ratio (typically 1:2:0) and propagates it under the LV-modified Hamiltonian without marginalizing over plausible source variations such as muon-damped (0:1:0) or neutron-decay sources. Because the LV effect is described as a small perturbation on averaged oscillations, an unaccounted 10-20% shift in source ratios produces a comparable displacement in the Earth-frame flavor triangle; this assumption is load-bearing for the central claim of reaching the Planck-scale region.
  2. [sensitivity calculation (error treatment)] No systematic assessment is provided of how uncertainties in the astrophysical spectrum, source redshift distribution, or standard oscillation parameters propagate into the predicted flavor ratios. Without this, it is not shown that an observed deviation can be attributed to LV rather than to these standard uncertainties.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract would benefit from specifying the LV coefficients considered and the quantitative reach (e.g., the suppression scale in GeV).
  2. [theory section] Notation for the LV terms added to the Hamiltonian should be introduced with explicit equations rather than by reference.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the detailed and constructive feedback on our manuscript. We have carefully considered the comments regarding the sensitivity calculation and will make revisions to address the concerns while maintaining the core findings of our sensitivity estimate.

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  1. Referee: [sensitivity calculation (flavor propagation and source modeling)] The sensitivity estimate fixes the injected source flavor ratio (typically 1:2:0) and propagates it under the LV-modified Hamiltonian without marginalizing over plausible source variations such as muon-damped (0:1:0) or neutron-decay sources. Because the LV effect is described as a small perturbation on averaged oscillations, an unaccounted 10-20% shift in source ratios produces a comparable displacement in the Earth-frame flavor triangle; this assumption is load-bearing for the central claim of reaching the Planck-scale region.

    Authors: Our calculation is intended as an estimate of the reach under the standard assumption of a pion-decay source with flavor ratio 1:2:0 at production, which is the conventional choice in IceCube flavor analyses. The LV modifications are treated as small perturbations to the averaged oscillation probabilities. We recognize that source model variations can affect the baseline flavor composition, but these are separate from the propagation effects due to LV. In the revised version, we will add a paragraph discussing the impact of alternative source compositions on the sensitivity and note that the Planck-scale reach holds for the benchmark case. This addresses the concern without requiring a full marginalization, which would be more appropriate for a data analysis paper. revision: partial

  2. Referee: [sensitivity calculation (error treatment)] No systematic assessment is provided of how uncertainties in the astrophysical spectrum, source redshift distribution, or standard oscillation parameters propagate into the predicted flavor ratios. Without this, it is not shown that an observed deviation can be attributed to LV rather than to these standard uncertainties.

    Authors: As stated in the manuscript, this is a sensitivity estimate based on the characteristics of the diffuse astrophysical neutrino data rather than a complete statistical fit. We do not claim to have performed a full error propagation or attribution study. The standard oscillation parameters have negligible uncertainty at the relevant energies, and the spectrum uncertainties are already incorporated in the IceCube flux measurements used. We will revise the manuscript to include a dedicated subsection outlining the main sources of uncertainty and explaining why the LV signal at the estimated sensitivity level would be distinguishable in a dedicated analysis. This will better contextualize the estimate. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; forward sensitivity calculation is independent of inputs

full rationale

The paper computes IceCube sensitivity to Lorentz-violating terms in the neutrino Hamiltonian by propagating an assumed source flavor ratio (e.g., 1:2:0) under standard oscillations plus small LV perturbations over Gpc baselines, then comparing the resulting Earth-frame flavor triangle to IceCube data. This is a standard forward Monte-Carlo or analytic propagation exercise; the output flavor ratios are not algebraically identical to the input ratios by construction, nor are any LV coefficients fitted to the target data and then relabeled as a prediction. No self-citation chain is invoked to justify uniqueness of the LV parameterization, and no ansatz is smuggled via prior work. The calculation therefore remains self-contained against external benchmarks (source ratio assumptions and oscillation parameters) and receives the default non-circularity finding.

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