Collectivity in small systems measured with PHENIX at RHIC

Tamas Novak (for the PHENIX Collaboration)

arxiv: 1906.09991 · v1 · pith:Q3JEUBA7new · submitted 2019-06-24 · ✦ hep-ex · nucl-ex

Collectivity in small systems measured with PHENIX at RHIC

Tamas Novak (for the PHENIX Collaboration) This is my paper

Pith reviewed 2026-05-25 16:46 UTC · model grok-4.3

classification ✦ hep-ex nucl-ex

keywords small systemscollectivityazimuthal correlationselliptic flowtriangular flowinitial geometryhydrodynamicsquark-gluon plasma

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v2 and v3 flow in small systems track initial nuclear geometry

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The paper measures azimuthal particle correlations in p+Au, d+Au, and 3He+Au collisions, which start with distinctly different initial shapes. Simultaneous v2 and v3 data across these systems show that the flow harmonics follow the initial geometry rather than arising from unrelated mechanisms. Hydrodynamic calculations that assume quark-gluon plasma formation reproduce both coefficients in all three systems at once. A reader would care because the result bears on whether collective behavior and deconfined matter can appear even when the colliding system is only a few nucleons across.

Core claim

The simultaneous constraints of v2 and v3 in p/d/3He+Au collisions definitively demonstrate that the vn's are correlated to the initial geometry. Hydrodynamical models which include QGP formation describe simultaneously the elliptic and triangular flow data in a statistically acceptable manner in all three systems.

What carries the argument

Comparison of elliptic (v2) and triangular (v3) flow across systems whose initial geometries differ by projectile size and shape

Load-bearing premise

The initial spatial distributions of the p, d, and 3He projectiles are known accurately enough and differ enough that geometry can be isolated as the driver of the observed flow.

What would settle it

A new measurement in which v3/v2 in one of the three systems deviates markedly from the value predicted by hydrodynamic evolution of the known initial geometry would falsify the central claim.

read the original abstract

In this paper we show azimuthal particle correlations in three different small-system collisions with different intrinsic initial geometries. The simultaneous constraints of $v_2$ and $v_3$ in $p/d/^3$He$+$Au collisions definitively demonstrate that the $v_n$'s are correlated to the initial geometry. In addition, we find that hydrodynamical models which include QGP formation describe simultaneouly the elliptic and triangular flow data in a statistically acceptable manner in all three systems.

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New v2 and v3 data across p/d/3He+Au systems from PHENIX, with hydro fits claimed to work, but the geometry-correlation claim needs the initial conditions to be shown as sufficiently distinct and well-controlled.

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The paper reports new simultaneous v2 and v3 measurements in three small systems at RHIC. It uses p+Au, d+Au, and 3He+Au to test how flow responds to different initial geometries and states that hydro models with QGP formation describe the data acceptably in all cases. That multi-system approach is the main addition over earlier single-system work. The data themselves look like a useful extension for the small-system collectivity discussion. The central assertion that the results definitively tie the vn to initial geometry is the part that needs checking. It assumes the three geometries are modeled accurately enough and differ enough that non-geometry effects cannot produce the same pattern. The abstract gives no numbers on geometry uncertainties or explicit tests against alternatives, so the strength of that conclusion depends on what the full paper shows. The hydro-model statement is also hard to assess without error bars, fit details, or selection criteria. This is for readers tracking whether collective behavior appears in small collisions and how initial geometry drives it. The measurements are new enough that a serious referee should see the full analysis, including how the geometry modeling was validated and how the fits were performed.

Referee Report

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Summary. The paper reports azimuthal anisotropy measurements (v2 and v3) in p+Au, d+Au, and 3He+Au collisions at RHIC using the PHENIX detector. It claims that the simultaneous v2 and v3 data across these systems with differing initial geometries definitively demonstrate that the flow coefficients vn are correlated with the initial geometry, and that hydrodynamic models incorporating QGP formation describe both elliptic and triangular flow data in a statistically acceptable manner in all three systems.

Significance. If the central claim holds after addressing geometry uncertainties, the result would provide important experimental support for the emergence of collective hydrodynamic behavior in small collision systems, helping to constrain the initial-state geometry and the applicability of hydrodynamics to systems as small as p+Au.

major comments (2)

[Abstract] Abstract: the claim that simultaneous v2 and v3 constraints 'definitively demonstrate' correlation of vn to initial geometry is load-bearing for the paper's main conclusion, yet the manuscript provides no quantification of uncertainties in the modeled initial geometries of the three systems nor explicit tests showing that alternative (non-hydrodynamic or non-geometry) mechanisms fail to reproduce the observed patterns while hydro succeeds.
[Abstract] Abstract: the statement that hydrodynamical models 'describe simultaneously the elliptic and triangular flow data in a statistically acceptable manner' is presented without error bars on the data, details of the fit procedure, or data-selection criteria, preventing independent verification of the statistical acceptability.

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We thank the referee for the constructive comments on our manuscript. We address each major comment below and will make revisions to the abstract to moderate the language and improve clarity on the statistical aspects.

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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that simultaneous v2 and v3 constraints 'definitively demonstrate' correlation of vn to initial geometry is load-bearing for the paper's main conclusion, yet the manuscript provides no quantification of uncertainties in the modeled initial geometries of the three systems nor explicit tests showing that alternative (non-hydrodynamic or non-geometry) mechanisms fail to reproduce the observed patterns while hydro succeeds.

Authors: The abstract uses 'definitively demonstrate' to highlight that the three systems have distinct initial geometries (p+Au, d+Au, 3He+Au) and the measured v2, v3 ordering matches the expected eccentricities from Glauber models. We agree the phrasing is strong and will revise it to 'provide strong evidence for' or similar. The body of the manuscript discusses initial-state modeling and comparisons across systems, including some model variations, but does not include a dedicated propagation of geometry uncertainties or systematic tests ruling out all non-hydrodynamic alternatives. The paper's focus is the consistency with hydrodynamics rather than exhaustive exclusion of other mechanisms. revision: partial
Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the statement that hydrodynamical models 'describe simultaneously the elliptic and triangular flow data in a statistically acceptable manner' is presented without error bars on the data, details of the fit procedure, or data-selection criteria, preventing independent verification of the statistical acceptability.

Authors: The abstract summarizes results from the full analysis, where data points include statistical and systematic uncertainties, and model comparisons are quantified (e.g., via chi-squared per degree of freedom in figures and text). We will revise the abstract to note that the statistical acceptability is assessed using the full dataset uncertainties and refer readers to the relevant sections for fit details and selection criteria. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: experimental data interpretation independent of fitted inputs or self-citation chains

full rationale

The paper reports measured v2 and v3 in p/d/3He+Au collisions and states that their simultaneous constraints demonstrate correlation to initial geometry while hydro models describe the data. This is a direct comparison of experimental observables to external hydrodynamic calculations, with no derivation chain, parameter fitting presented as prediction, or load-bearing self-citation that reduces the central claim to its own inputs by construction. The provided text contains no equations or steps that exhibit self-definitional, fitted-input, or ansatz-smuggling patterns.

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