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Bayesian Feature Pyramid Networks for Automatic Multi-Label Segmentation of Chest X-rays and Assessment of Cardio-Thoratic Ratio

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Pith's one-line read This paper claims that a Bayesian Feature Pyramid Network with Monte-Carlo dropout can segment heart and lungs on chest X-rays and estimate the cardiothoracic ratio with uncertainty bounds, generalizing across four test sets from…

desk verdict A competent, honest applied paper whose central novelty—CTR uncertainty—is not yet substantiated because the MC-dropout spread is never calibrated or validated. read the letter →

arxiv 1908.02924 v1 pith:JYSMMRN6 submitted 2019-08-08 eess.IV cs.CV

classification eess.IVcs.CV
keywords chestX-raysegmentationcardiothoracicratiocardiomegalyMonteCarlodropoutBayesiandeeplearningFeaturePyramidNetworkinstancenormalizationuncertaintyestimation
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The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The reading

This paper tries to show that one deep network can do two clinical jobs at once: outline the heart and lungs in a chest X-ray and compute the cardiothoracic ratio (CTR), the standard marker of an enlarged heart. The new piece is that the output is not a single CTR number but a distribution, so each measurement comes with an uncertainty range derived from Monte-Carlo dropout at test time. If the claim works in practice, an automated system could flag low-confidence measurements for human review and could track cardiomegaly in settings where a radiologist is not immediately available. The authors support the claim by training on a radiologist-annotated subset of ChestXray14 and testing on three independently collected public X-ray datasets re-annotated in the same style.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing mechanism is the Feature Pyramid Network with a ResNet-50 backbone, modified in three ways: dropout layers placed before the second, third, and fourth residual blocks and inside the decoder; instance normalization replacing batch normalization in every decoder block; and spatial dropout before the final two-channel output. At test time the network is run multiple times with dropout enabled, producing Monte-Carlo samples of the heart and lung masks; the mean of these samples is the segmentation and their spread gives uncertainty. CTR is then the quotient of the widest heart chord to the widest lung chord, computed directly from the sampled masks. The variational interpretation of dropout, where training with dropout and cross-entropy minimizes the KL divergence to the posterior, is what licenses treating the sample spread as a Bayesian uncertainty estimate.

What would settle it

Segment a shared set of, say, 50 images with both radiologist A and radiologist B masks and compute their agreement; if their mutual IoU is no better than the model's IoU against radiologist B, the reported segmentation results mostly reflect annotation style rather than anatomical accuracy. Separately, collect many X-rays with CT-confirmed heart widths and check whether the model's 95% CTR intervals contain the true ratio at the claimed rate; coverage far below 95% would falsify the uncertainty claim.

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Core claim

On the paper's own terms, the central discovery is that inserting dropout into both a ResNet-50 encoder and a Feature Pyramid Network decoder, and replacing batch normalization with instance normalization, turns a standard segmentation network into a Bayesian one that produces multi-label heart and lung masks together with per-pixel aleatoric (data noise) and epistemic (model uncertainty) uncertainty maps. Averaging twenty stochastic forward passes gives the segmentation, and the ratio of the widest heart diameter to the widest lung diameter computed from these masks reproduces the ground-truth CTR with Pearson correlations between 0.87 and 0.97 across four test sets. The paper claims this is the first CTR-assessment method that reports uncertainty bounds rather than point estimates.

Load-bearing premise

The external test sets were annotated by a different radiologist than the training data, and the paper assumes the two annotation styles are similar enough that IoU against the second radiologist's masks measures segmentation quality; this is stated but not verified by any inter-rater agreement score.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • CTR measurements for a single X-ray can be reported as a range, not a point estimate, so a clinician sees when the model is unsure.
  • A model trained on one annotation style with diverse radiological findings transfers to external scanners without domain adaptation, provided the test masks are annotated the same way.
  • Twenty Monte-Carlo samples are enough for stable segmentation and CTR correlation; more samples add little.
  • Instance normalization in the decoder improves heart and lung segmentation over batch and group normalization across all tested decoders.
  • The released multi-label annotations with true organ boundaries create a more challenging benchmark than existing tuberculosis-oriented datasets.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The reported IoU numbers likely mix segmentation accuracy with annotation-style agreement, because a different radiologist labeled the external test sets; computing inter-rater agreement on an overlapping subset would separate the two effects.
  • If the uncertainty estimates are well calibrated, the epistemic (mutual information) maps could serve as an automatic flag for images that need human review, a use the paper mentions but does not validate.
  • The same dropout-and-instance-normalization recipe could be applied to other ratio-based measurements in radiography, such as vertebral or cardiomediastinal ratios, where a confidence interval matters clinically.
  • A direct calibration test, checking that the 95% predictive interval contains the true CTR roughly 95% of the time, would turn the proposed uncertainty bounds into a clinically usable quantity; the paper does not report this.
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Summary. The paper proposes a Bayesian Feature Pyramid Network (FPN) with a ResNet-50 backbone, instance normalization in the decoder, and Monte-Carlo dropout for multi-label segmentation of heart and lung fields in chest X-rays. The segmentation outputs are used to compute the cardiothoracic ratio (CTR), and the paper claims, for the first time, to estimate CTR with uncertainty bounds derived from MC dropout. The method is trained on a newly annotated subset of ChestXray14 and evaluated on ChestXray14, JSRT, Montgomery, and Shenzhen datasets, reporting IoU/Dice for segmentation and Pearson correlation for CTR. The authors also release annotations and report an extensive ablation study over encoders, decoders, and normalization layers.

Significance. If the uncertainty-quantification claim holds, the paper would make a useful clinical contribution by providing confidence bounds for an automated CTR measurement, and the released annotations and multi-dataset evaluation are valuable assets to the community. The segmentation results appear solid, and the ablation study is thorough. However, the central uncertainty contribution is compromised by the use of categorical entropy formulas on multi-label sigmoid outputs and by the absence of any quantitative validation of the uncertainty bounds, so the significance of the paper in its current form is limited to the segmentation and point-estimate CTR results.

major comments (4)
  1. [Bayesian Segmentation Framework: Aleotoric and Epistemic Uncertainties (Eqs. 2-3)] Equations (2) and (3) are the standard MC-dropout predictive entropy and mutual information formulas for a categorical softmax distribution over mutually exclusive classes. The network has two independent sigmoid outputs for heart and lungs, so at any pixel the joint predictive distribution is a product of two Bernoulli distributions. The correct predictive entropy is H[p_h] + H[p_l] = -p_h log p_h - (1-p_h) log(1-p_h) - p_l log p_l - (1-p_l) log(1-p_l). As written, Eq. (2) sums only over the label dimension and omits the (1-p) terms, systematically underestimating the aleatoric uncertainty; Eq. (3) inherits this error. The authors should either correct the formulas to the joint multi-label entropy or explicitly justify why the categorical approximation is appropriate for two independent sigmoid outputs.
  2. [Section 4.4, Fig. 5] The number of MC dropout samples T=20 is selected by inspecting IoU and Pearson correlation computed on the test sets (Fig. 5 states 'optimal number of iterations on all datasets' from test curves). Selecting hyperparameters on the test data makes the reported numbers in Table 3 a selected optimum rather than a clean hold-out evaluation. The choice of T should be made on the validation set, or the reported results should be accompanied by a sensitivity analysis that explicitly accounts for the selection.
  3. [Table 3 and Section 4.4] The central claim of the paper is estimating CTR with uncertainty bounds, yet no quantitative validation of these bounds is provided. The experiments report IoU, Dice, and Pearson correlation of point estimates only; there is no assessment of interval coverage, calibration curves, or correlation between the MC spread and the absolute error |CTR_pred - CTR_true|. Without such validation, the uncertainty bounds are unsupported. Please add a calibration or coverage analysis to substantiate the uncertainty claim.
  4. [Section 5 (Limitations)] The manuscript states that radiologist A annotated the training and ChestXray14 test data while radiologist B annotated JSRT, Montgomery, and Shenzhen, and that inter-rater agreement was not computed. The authors assert that this limitation has insignificant impact on the results, but provide no supporting evidence. Since cross-dataset generalization is a main contribution, the lack of inter-rater agreement assessment is load-bearing. A small double-annotated subset with IoU/Dice between the two radiologists would make the evaluation more compelling.
minor comments (6)
  1. [Title and Abstract] The title and abstract contain the typo 'Cardio-Thoratic'; the correct spelling is 'Cardiothoracic' or 'Cardio-Thoracic'.
  2. [Equation (5)] The loss in Eq. (5) is written as BCE - J, but J is not defined explicitly. If J is the soft Jaccard index (higher is better), the minimization should be BCE + (1 - J) or an equivalent form; please clarify the definition of J.
  3. [Related Work / References] The citation to Mukhoti and Gal [25] is misspelled as 'Mukohti' in the text.
  4. [Section 2] The phrase 'detection of plural effusion' should read 'pleural effusion'.
  5. [Data Availability] The URL given for the released dataset and code is the placeholder 'http://will.be.placed.after.review.' and should be replaced with an actual repository location.
  6. [Table 3] Table 3 reports IoU/Dice and Pearson correlations without any confidence intervals, although Fig. 5 shows bootstrapped 95% intervals for similar metrics; adding such intervals to Table 3 would improve the comparability and statistical transparency of the results.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the derivation is an empirical segmentation-to-CTR pipeline with external methodological citations and external test sets.

full rationale

The paper's derivation chain is empirical rather than definitional: the network outputs pixel-wise heart/lung masks, CTR is computed from those masks by the standard formula CTR=(A+B)/(C+D) following Dong et al. [9], and the uncertainty estimates are obtained by applying MC-dropout formulas from Kendall et al. [21] and Mukhoti and Gal [25], which are external sources. No quantity in the method is defined in terms of the target outcome, and no fitted parameter is renamed as a prediction. The few self-citations (e.g., [26], [36], [37], [40]) are peripheral and do not carry the central argument. Two concerns raised by the manuscript or by a critical reading are limitations, not circularity: (i) the number of MC samples T=20 is selected on the test sets using Fig. 5, which weakens the clean hold-out interpretation but does not make the reported IoU or CTR correlations equal to the selection criterion by construction; and (ii) Equations (2)-(3) are softmax-style entropy/mutual-information expressions applied to a multi-label two-sigmoid output, and no calibration of the resulting CTR uncertainty intervals is reported, which is a correctness/validation gap rather than a circular step. The annotation-protocol difference between radiologist A and B is acknowledged in the conclusion as a limitation and likewise does not reduce the evaluation to its inputs. Overall, the central claims rest on external benchmarks and independent data, so no circularity is found.

Assumptions & free parameters 4 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on well-established deep learning components and one dataset-level assumption about annotation consistency. There are no invented physical or mathematical entities. The main free parameters are standard hyperparameters, with the notable exception of T, which was selected on the test sets.

free parameters (4)
  • Number of MC dropout samples T = 20
    Selected based on IoU and CTR Pearson correlation on the four test sets (Fig. 5, Sec. 4.4), meaning the reported results are conditional on a test-set-tuned hyperparameter.
  • Dropout probability p in backbone and decoder = 0.5
    Hand-chosen standard MC-dropout value; it controls the width of the uncertainty estimates.
  • Spatial dropout rate before final output = 0.1
    Hand-chosen regularization rate; mentioned in Sec. 3.
  • Learning rate and batch size = 1e-4, 8
    Standard training hyperparameters specified in Sec. 3; not tuned on test data.
assumptions (4)
  • standard math Dropout during training minimizes the KL divergence between the variational distribution and the posterior (Gal and Ghahramani, 2016)
    Used to justify MC-dropout posterior sampling in Sec. 3, Eq. 1. This is an external result that the paper relies on without proving.
  • domain assumption The annotation protocols of radiologist A and radiologist B are consistent enough to compare segmentation masks across datasets
    External test annotations were made by a different radiologist than the training annotations; the paper states inter-rater agreement was not measured (Sec. 5).
  • domain assumption CTR computed from the widest diameters of the predicted heart and lung masks follows Dong et al. [9]
    The paper uses Eq. (4) to convert masks to CTR, assuming the diameter-based definition is valid for the predicted masks, including at 224x224 resolution.
  • domain assumption The re-annotated external test sets delineate the same anatomical boundaries as the training annotations
    The external datasets were re-annotated by a radiologist to include true lung boundaries and heart masks; any systematic boundary difference would bias the IoU comparisons.

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Cardiothoratic ratio (CTR) estimated from chest radiographs is a marker indicative of cardiomegaly, the presence of which is in the criteria for heart failure diagnosis. Existing methods for automatic assessment of CTR are driven by Deep Learning-based segmentation. However, these techniques produce only point estimates of CTR but clinical decision making typically assumes the uncertainty. In this paper, we propose a novel method for chest X-ray segmentation and CTR assessment in an automatic manner. In contrast to the previous art, we, for the first time, propose to estimate CTR with uncertainty bounds. Our method is based on Deep Convolutional Neural Network with Feature Pyramid Network (FPN) decoder. We propose two modifications of FPN: replace the batch normalization with instance normalization and inject the dropout which allows to obtain the Monte-Carlo estimates of the segmentation maps at test time. Finally, using the predicted segmentation mask samples, we estimate CTR with uncertainty. In our experiments we demonstrate that the proposed method generalizes well to three different test sets. Finally, we make the annotations produced by two radiologists for all our datasets publicly available.

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Figure 1. Overview of the workflow proposed in this study. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p001_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Model architecture. Here, we proposed a simplistic modification of FPN for image segmentation. In particular, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Visualization of the line segments used for CTR [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Original annotations in all the test datasets. In our experiments we re-annotated JSRT, Montgomery and Shenzhen [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Graphical illustration of dependency between the [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_5.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Examples of segmentation and uncertainty estimates for each of the test datasets (random examples are shown). [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_6.png]

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