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Tripartite realism-based quantum nonlocality

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Pith's one-line read This paper extends realism-based nonlocality to three parties, defining a genuine tripartite measure $N_3$ and proving $N_3=E_3$ for pure states admitting a Schmidt decomposition, while showing the measure survives noise and can appear in…

desk verdict A useful tripartite extension of realism-based nonlocality with promising numerics, but the key pure-state equality N3=E3 rests on an unproven global optimality step. read the letter →

arxiv 1908.05781 v1 pith:IJ6ESGVB submitted 2019-08-15 quant-ph

D. M. Fucci , R. M. Angelo This is my paper · ORCID
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The reading

This paper takes a recently defined measure of realism-based nonlocality and extends it from two parties to three. The central claim is that, for pure tripartite states admitting a tripartite Schmidt decomposition, the genuine tripartite nonlocality $N_3$ exactly equals the genuine tripartite entanglement $E_3$: $N_3(\varsigma)=E_3(\varsigma)$. It also shows that $N_3$ can be positive for separable states carrying only classical correlations, and that for noisy GHZ and W states it decreases monotonically with noise and vanishes only at the maximally mixed state. A sympathetic reader would care because this gives a tripartite version of a nonlocality notion that behaves differently from Bell nonlocality and may offer a more noise-tolerant witness of genuinely multipartite correlations.

What carries the argument

The central object is the irreality measure $I_A(\rho)=S(\Phi_A(\rho))-S(\rho)$, where $\Phi_A$ is an unrevealed measurement of observable $A$; the contextual nonlocality $\eta_{A|B,C}=I_A(\rho)-I_A(\Phi_{B,C}(\rho))$ records how much remote unrevealed measurements change the reality of $A$. The genuine tripartite measure is the minimum over bipartitions of the maximized contextual nonlocality. The proof for Schmidt-class pure states rides on the identity $\Phi_\alpha(\varsigma)=\Phi_{\beta,\gamma}(\varsigma)=\Phi_{\alpha,\beta,\gamma}(\varsigma)=\sum_i\xi_i|\alpha_i\rangle\langle\alpha_i|\otimes|\beta_i\rangle\langle\beta_i|\otimes|\gamma_i\rangle\langle\gamma_i|$, which makes the upper bound (11) tight and gives $N_3=H({\xi_i})=E_3$.

What would settle it

Evaluate $\eta_{A|B,C}$ analytically or by exhaustive search over local spin measurements for a Schmidt-class pure state with unequal coefficients, e.g. $|\phi\rangle=\sqrt{\xi}|000\rangle+\sqrt{1-\xi}|111\rangle$ with $\xi\neq1/2$, and compare the maximum with $H({\xi,1-\xi})$. Finding any trio with $\eta_{A|B,C}>H({\xi,1-\xi})$ would refute $N_3=E_3$ for that class.

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Core claim

The paper defines, for a tripartite state $\rho$, the contextual nonlocality $\eta_{A|B,C}(\rho)=I_A(\rho)-I_A(\Phi_{B,C}(\rho))$, then the per-bipartition quantity $N_{A|BC}(\rho)=\max_{\{A,B,C\}}\eta_{A|B,C}(\rho)$, and finally the genuine tripartite realism-based nonlocality $N_3(\rho)=\min\{N_{A|BC},N_{B|AC},N_{C|AB}\}$. For the Schmidt class $|\phi\rangle=\sum_i\sqrt{\xi_i}|\alpha_i\rangle|\beta_i\rangle|\gamma_i\rangle$ it argues that the maximum is achieved by the Schmidt observables, yielding $N_{A|BC}=H({\xi_i})$ and, by symmetry, $N_3(\varsigma)=H({\xi_i})=E_3(\varsigma)$. It further shows that a classical-classical-classical state $\rho_{ccc}=\sum_i p_i|i\rangle\langle i|^{\otimes 3}$ has $N_3>0$ despite being separable and classically correlated. Numerical optimization for noisy GHZ and W states shows $N_3$ strictly decreases only to zero at full noise, with the pure GHZ state violating monogamy for every exponent and the pure W state satisfying monogamy for $\alpha\gtrsim2.1641$.

Load-bearing premise

The proof's central step assumes that the measurement trio saturating bound (11) is the global maximizer of $\eta_{A|B,C}$; the paper does not prove that no other trio gives a larger value, and if one did the equality $N_3=E_3$ could fail.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • For every pure state of the Schmidt class, $N_3$ is a faithful quantifier: it equals $E_3$, so a nonzero $N_3$ certifies genuine tripartite entanglement, and the measure is not anomalous for these states.
  • Because $\rho_{ccc}$ has $N_3>0$, tripartite realism-based nonlocality exists in separable, classically correlated states; it diagnoses incompatibility between the state's correlation basis and measurement contexts rather than entanglement.
  • For noisy GHZ and W states, $N_3$ decreases monotonically with noise and vanishes only in the maximally mixed state, so it remains nonzero well beyond thresholds where entanglement, Bell nonlocality, and steering have already disappeared.
  • The measure is consistent under decoupling: $N_3(\rho_{AB}\otimes\rho_C)=N_2(\rho_{AB})$, so adding an uncorrelated third party leaves bipartite nonlocality unchanged.
  • Tripartite realism-based nonlocality is not monogamous in general: pure GHZ states violate monogamy for every exponent $\alpha>0$, while for pure W states monogamy holds once $\alpha\gtrsim2.1641$.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the saturation assumption in the proof is closed, the equality $N_3=E_3$ likely extends to all pure tripartite states whose reduced single-party entropies match, and possibly to arbitrary pure states by a limiting argument.
  • The positivity of $N_3$ on classical-classical-classical states suggests interpreting $N_3$ as a measure of basis incompatibility; one could test whether it aligns with known discord-like measures when restricted to classically correlated states.
  • A concrete extension would compute $N_3$ for Schmidt-class states with non-uniform $\xi_i$ and compare with $E_3$; if the gap in the proof matters, deviations should first appear there.
  • The monogamy analysis suggests a resource-theoretic reading: for states like pure GHZ, tripartite nonlocality can be shared between the two reduced bipartitions, so $N_3$ may be better understood as a global, non-shareable resource only after applying a nonlinear exponent.
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Summary. The manuscript introduces a tripartite version of 'realism-based nonlocality' built from the Bilobran-Angelo irreality measure. It defines the contextual quantity eta_{A|B,C}(rho)=I_A(rho)-I_A(Phi_{B,C}(rho)), the cut-wise maximum N_{A|BC}=max_{A,B,C} eta_{A|B,C}, and a genuine tripartite measure N3=min{N_{A|BC},N_{B|AC},N_{C|AB}}. The central claim is Eq. (12): for pure tripartite states admitting a Schmidt decomposition |phi>=sum_i sqrt(xi_i)|alpha_i>|beta_i>|gamma_i>, N3 equals the genuine tripartite entanglement E3 defined in Eq. (7). The paper also shows that classical-classical-classical states can have positive N3 even with no quantum correlations, reports numerical results for noisy GHZ and W states indicating strong noise resilience, and studies monogamy through an auxiliary exponent alpha.

Significance. If Eq. (12) can be established, the paper is a useful contribution: it provides an operational, measurement-based tripartite nonlocality measure that coincides with genuine tripartite entanglement on a nontrivial pure-state class while remaining positive on states with no quantum correlations. The construction is self-contained, no constants are fitted, and the numerical study is transparent, including random sampling as a sanity check. The main caveat is that the proof of the central equality has a gap, so the significance of the result is conditional on closing that gap.

major comments (1)
  1. [III, Eq. (12)] The derivation of N3=E3 for Schmidt-decomposable pure states is incomplete. Inequality (11) bounds eta_{A|B,C} by 1/2[S(Phi_A(rho))+S(Phi_{B,C}(rho))], but the right-hand side depends on the context {A,B,C} itself. Saturating this bound at the aligned context (alpha,beta,gamma) proves only the lower bound N_{A|BC}>=H({xi_i}); it does not prove that this context maximizes Eq. (6), because another context could have a larger right-hand side and a larger eta. The sentence 'the maximization of eta_{A|B,C} will come by the saturation of this inequality' is therefore not a valid argument. What is missing is a context-independent upper bound, for example N_{A|BC}(|phi><phi|)<=S(rho_A), which in the Schmidt class would be H({xi_i}). The numerical GHZ and W results in Sec. IV are consistent with Eq. (12) but use a finite angle grid and cannot fill this gap. Since Eq. (12) is the central claim, this must be fixed.
minor comments (4)
  1. [III, proof of Eq. (12)] The sentence 'Given the symmetry of |phi>, one does not expect different results for the other bipartitions' should be replaced by an explicit argument: for a Schmidt decomposition, each one-party reduced density matrix has spectrum {xi_i}, so S(rho_A)=S(rho_B)=S(rho_C)=H({xi_i}).
  2. [IV, Fig. 1] The text should state clearly that the grid search gives lower bounds on the true maxima in Eq. (6). In particular, the statement that N3 'strictly vanishing only in the scenario of no purity whatsoever' is a numerical inference, not a proven property, because the optimization over continuous angles is not exhaustive.
  3. [V, Eq. (15)] The monogamy exponent alpha is introduced as a free parameter, and the thresholds such as alpha approximately 2.1641 for the pure W state describe the auxiliary family N3^alpha rather than the original measure N3. Please clarify the status of these results as properties of the deformed measure.
  4. [Various] There are several typos and minor stylistic issues, including 'reaslim' in the first paragraph of Sec. III, 'hypotesis' in the Introduction, and missing spaces such as 'Maet al.' in Sec. III. These do not affect the technical content.

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No significant circularity: the central claim Eq. (12) is a nontrivial derivation that is not forced by the definitions, and the numerical and monogamy studies contain no fitted input masquerading as a prediction.

full rationale

The irreality and bipartite nonlocality measures in Refs. [27-29] are inputs on which the new tripartite quantifier is built; although some are self-citations, they are parameter-free definitions with stated assumptions that do not include Eq. (12), so they are not load-bearing in a circular sense. The proof of Eq. (12) compares N3 to the independently defined entanglement entropy E3 and arrives at the common value H({xi}); it is not a renaming, since N3 is defined by a maximization and not as E3. I found no fitted parameter called a prediction: the noisy GHZ/W results are computed from the definition by grid search and random settings, and the monogamy parameter alpha is explicitly introduced to give the inequality an extra chance, rather than being extracted from data and then re-described as a result. The weak point in the paper is the inference that saturation of the context-dependent bound (11) yields the global maximum in Eq. (6); that is a proof gap and a correctness risk, but not a circular reduction, because no equation is identified with another by construction and no self-citation is used to close the gap.

Assumptions & free parameters 2 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central measure is defined from earlier same-group notions, but it is not fitted to data. The main uncharged premise is the reality criterion; the main gap is the global-max step.

free parameters (2)
  • Monogamy exponent alpha = scanned over R>0; peak near 3.8372 for pure W
    Introduced ad hoc in Sec. V to define N3^alpha and search for monogamy; it is not fixed by data.
  • Angular grid step = pi/8 for theta and phi
    Numerical optimization in Sec. IV uses this step; the reported maxima are discretized and no error bars are given.
assumptions (4)
  • domain assumption Bilobran-Angelo operational criterion of reality via unrevealed measurements
    The entire measure of irreality and realism-based nonlocality is built on this criterion imported from Ref. [27].
  • domain assumption Genuine n-partite correlations are identified with nonproduct in every bipartite cut
    Used in Eq. (8) to justify defining N3 as the minimum over the three bipartite cuts; this is a definitional choice.
  • standard math Tripartite Schmidt decomposition exists for the class of states considered
    Invoked in Sec. III to write |phi> = sum sqrt(xi_i)|alpha_i>|beta_i>|gamma_i>; the decomposition restricts the class.
  • standard math Von Neumann entropy is nondecreasing under projective dephasing maps
    Used to derive inequality (10) in Sec. III.

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From an operational criterion of physical reality, a quantifier of realism-based nonlocality was recently introduced for two-part quantum states. This measure has shown to capture aspects that are rather different from Bell nonlocality. Here we take a step further and introduce a tripartite realism-based nonlocality quantifier. We show that this measure reduces to genuine tripartite entanglement for a certain class of pure tripartite states and manifests itself in correlated mixed states even in the absence of quantum correlations. A case study for noisy GHZ and W states points out the existence of scenarios where the realism-based nonlocality is monogamous.

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