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Planets Around Solar Twins/Analogs (PASTA) I.: High precision stellar chemical abundance for 17 planet-hosting stars and the condensation temperature trend
T0 review · 3 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-12 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read The Sun is depleted in refractory elements even when compared with stars that host giant planets, and the deficit does not scale with rocky-planet mass.
desk verdict A useful abundance catalog whose central Tc-trend conclusion is not yet supported; the result flips sign when the unexplained C/O offsets are excluded. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The condensation-temperature trend: for each star, the differential abundance relative to the Sun is plotted against the 50% equilibrium condensation temperature of each element, with $T_c = 1300$ K dividing volatile from refractory elements. The slope of this trend is the diagnostic. To isolate planet-formation effects, the abundances are derived line-by-line differentially against a solar spectrum using the same line list, and Galactic chemical evolution corrections from a 79-star solar-twin sample are applied to the five solar twins, removing the age- and metallicity-dependent part of the trend.
What would settle it
Re-measure carbon and oxygen in the same five solar twins with an independent line list, different oscillator strengths, or a non-LTE treatment; if the offsets disappear, the central negative slope disappears. Alternatively, check whether the offsets persist when the same spectra are reduced against a different solar reference spectrum.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that the Sun is relatively depleted in refractory elements compared to planet-hosting solar twins and analogs, and specifically that this depletion is not tied to the mass of terrestrial planets. The differential abundance analysis yields a negative slope in $([X/\mathrm{Fe}]_{\mathrm{solar}} - [X/\mathrm{Fe}]_{\mathrm{star}})$ versus condensation temperature for all stars with known gas giants, in both the raw and the Galactic-chemical-evolution-corrected abundances. For the five solar twins, the mean GCE-corrected trend has a negative slope significant at the $2\sigma$ level, driven primarily by carbon and oxygen. The paper reports no correlation between the trend slope and the total terrestrial planet mass and concludes that terrestrial planet formation is unlikely to explain the Sun's refractory-element depletion.
Load-bearing premise
The load-bearing premise is that the measured carbon and oxygen abundances are accurate to better than about 0.05 dex, so the offsets of roughly -0.19 dex (C) and -0.10 dex (O) relative to the comparison sample are real stellar differences; the paper reports these offsets without a resolved explanation, and the negative temperature trend disappears when C and O are removed.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- The Sun appears chemically unusual compared with other stars known to host gas giants, not only compared with planet-free solar twins.
- Refractory-element depletion in the Sun is not a simple function of how much rocky material sits in detected planets.
- The result is sensitive to C and O: excluding them removes the negative slope, so the conclusion depends on the accuracy of those two abundances.
- Giant-planet formation is not ruled out as a cause; rather, the comparison set of giant-planet hosts now provides a new baseline for testing dust-trapping models.
Reading between the lines
- If the carbon and oxygen offsets are later shown to be zero-point artifacts, the paper's headline conclusion would invert; an independent line list or non-LTE treatment of C and O would settle this.
- The same data imply a testable prediction: systems with more massive giant-planet cores, or with earlier gap-opening, should show more positive $[X/\mathrm{Fe}]$ versus $T_c$ slopes than systems with late or low-mass giants.
- Larger follow-up samples comparing solar twins with and without giant planets could distinguish dust-trapping from stochastic accretion by checking whether the slope distribution of giant-planet hosts is narrower than that of non-host twins.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper presents high-resolution MIKE spectroscopy for 17 planet-hosting solar-like stars, derives stellar atmospheric parameters and abundances for 22 elements via line-by-line differential analysis relative to the Sun, and analyzes the differential abundance versus condensation temperature (Tc) trend. For five solar twins the authors apply Galactic chemical evolution (GCE) corrections from Bedell et al. (2018). They report that all giant-planet-host stars in the sample show negative Tc-trend slopes, interpret this as the Sun being relatively depleted in refractory elements compared to similar giant-planet hosts, and find no correlation between Tc-trend slope and total terrestrial planet mass. The paper also makes available machine-readable line lists, equivalent widths, per-line abundances, and a full target list.
Significance. The survey addresses a genuine open question: whether the Sun's refractory-element depletion is related to planet formation. The strengths are the careful differential analysis, the explicit error propagation (measurement plus atmospheric-parameter systematics), the use of GCE corrections, and the public release of detailed line-by-line data, which will be useful for future comparative studies. The sample of planet-hosting solar twins/analogs, though small, is a valuable addition to the literature. However, the central astrophysical claim—that all giant-planet hosts show negative Tc slopes and that the Sun is unusual among them—is not yet robust, because the paper itself shows the slope is primarily driven by C and O and that excluding those elements flips the average solar-twin slope to a value consistent with zero. The unresolved systematic offsets in C and O relative to Bedell et al. (2018) therefore become load-bearing.
major comments (3)
- [§6.2 and §8 (Summary)] The headline result—a negative GCE-corrected Tc slope for the five solar twins, significant at the 2σ level—is not robust to the removal of C and O. Section 6.2 reports that excluding C and O changes the average slope from -6.73e-05 to +3.05e-05 ± 1e-04, i.e., consistent with zero and opposite in sign. The Summary itself concedes that the trends in Figures 4–6 are 'primarily driven by the abundances of carbon (C) and oxygen (O).' Since the abstract and Section 6 claim that 'all stars hosting known gas giant planets exhibit negative Tc trend slopes,' the paper must show whether the individual slopes in Figure 9 and Table 6 remain negative when C and O are excluded, and must report the significance of the slopes without these two elements. As written, the central claim is only as secure as the C and O abundance measurements.
- [§5.1] The unexplained systematic offsets of C and O relative to Bedell et al. (2018)—0.186 dex for C and 0.096 dex for O for the solar twins—are larger than the quoted C/O uncertainties (0.03–0.07 dex) and are in the direction that creates the negative Tc slopes. The manuscript states that 'the reason for the systematically low abundances remains unclear.' This is a load-bearing systematic-error risk: if these offsets are analysis artifacts (e.g., continuum placement, line selection, or NLTE corrections), the central conclusion fails. The authors should resolve this by testing the sensitivity of the Tc slopes to plausible C and O zero-point shifts, by comparing C and O in a common set of stars analyzed with both pipelines, or by identifying a physical cause for the offset.
- [§5.2 and §6.1] The GCE corrections from Bedell et al. (2018) are applied to abundances that differ systematically from Bedell et al. in C and O. While the slopes of [C/Fe] and [O/Fe] versus age agree with Bedell et al. within 1σ, the zero-point offsets mean the GCE-corrected [X/Fe] values retain a C/O-dependent bias. The paper should quantify how the final Tc slopes and the Figure 9 distributions change if the C and O abundances are shifted to match Bedell et al. (2018) before applying the GCE correction, or if the GCE correction is applied to C and O using the age-slopes measured in this work.
minor comments (5)
- [§6.1] Typo: 'equiqva lent' should be 'equivalent'.
- [§1 and §2] The Bedell et al. (2018) definition of solar twins is quoted as 'surface gravity also differs by less than 100 K'; the units should be 0.1 dex, as correctly used in Section 2.
- [§7.2] The definition of giant versus terrestrial planets uses 'R < 7 R_L' but R_L is not defined in the text; the caption of Table 1 uses the same symbol for Earth radii, so the notation should be clarified (e.g., R⊕).
- [§6.2 and Figure 9] The statement that 'The Sun, with a Tc trend slope of 0' is tautological because the differential abundances are defined relative to the Sun; the text should clarify that the Sun is used as a zero-point reference rather than an independent measurement.
- [§3.2] The sentence 'The average [X/H] and the combined uncertainties are shown in Table 4' repeats the earlier description of the averaging scheme; the paragraph could be shortened for clarity.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the Tc slopes are measured quantities, and the C/O caveat is an explicitly acknowledged robustness limitation, not a definitional or fitted-input reduction.
full rationale
The central derivation chain is observational: EW measurements, differential abundances relative to the Sun, [X/Fe] ratios, and linear fits of [X/Fe]_solar - [X/Fe]_star versus condensation temperature. The claimed negative Tc slopes for giant-planet hosts and the absence of a correlation with terrestrial planet mass are direct summaries of the fitted slopes in Table 6 and Figures 9-10; no slope is fixed a priori and no fitted value is renamed as a prediction. The GCE correction for the five solar twins is imported from Bedell et al. (2018), an independent external dataset, and is applied only to remove age trends before fitting the Tc slope. Self-citations (Sun et al. 2020a, 2022, 2023, 2024; Gan et al. 2021) concern data-reduction and fitting procedures or provide supporting context, not the load-bearing astrophysical conclusion. The paper explicitly flags its own main limitation: Section 6.2 and the Summary state that the trend is "primarily driven by the abundances of carbon (C) and oxygen (O)" and that excluding C and O changes the five-twin slope to +3.052e-05 +/- 1e-04; Section 5.1 reports an unexplained -0.186 dex (C) and -0.096 dex (O) offset relative to Bedell et al. (2018). These are accuracy and robustness concerns, not circularity: the measurement does not reduce by definition to its inputs, and no self-citation is used to forbid alternatives or to define the target quantity.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (2)
- GCE correction coefficients from Bedell et al. (2018) =
adopted, slope and intercept per element from their Table 3
- Refractory/volatile threshold Tc = 1300 K =
1300 K
assumptions (6)
- domain assumption 1D-LTE abundance analysis with MARCS model atmospheres
- domain assumption NLTE corrections for O from Ramirez et al. (2007)
- domain assumption Yonsei-Yale isochrones and the q2 package for stellar ages, masses, and radii
- domain assumption GCE corrections from Bedell et al. (2018) are applicable to these five solar twins
- domain assumption Condensation temperatures from Lodders (2003)
- domain assumption Transiting planet detections from TESS are complete enough that total terrestrial planet mass is not severely underestimated
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Planets Around Solar Twins/Analogs (PASTA) I.: High precision stellar chemical abundance for 17 planet-hosting stars and the condensation temperature trend." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/BBPDPQSS
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abstract
The Sun is depleted in refractory elements compared to nearby solar twins, which may be linked to the formation of giant or terrestrial planets. Here we present high-resolution, high signal-to-noise spectroscopic data for 17 solar-like stars hosting planets, obtained with Magellan II/MIKE, to investigate whether this depletion is related to planet formation. We derive stellar parameters, including stellar atmosphere, age, radius, mass, and chemical abundances for 22 elements from carbon to europium through line-by-line differential analysis. Our uncertainties range from 0.01 dex for Fe and Si to 0.08 dex for Sr, Y, and Eu. By comparing the solar abundances to those of the 17 stars, we investigate the differential abundance ([X/Fe]$_{\rm solar}$ - [X/Fe]$_{\rm star}$) versus condensation temperature ($T_c$) trend. In particular, we apply Galactic chemical evolution corrections to five solar twins within the full sample. Our results conform to previous studies that the Sun is relatively depleted in refractory compared to volatile elements. For both five solar twins and the rest of solar-like stars, we find that all stars hosting known gas giant planets exhibit negative $T_c$ trend slopes, suggesting that the Sun is relatively depleted in refractory elements compared to similar giant-planet-host stars. Additionally, we find no correlation between $T_c$ trend slopes and the total mass of detected terrestrial planets in each system, suggesting that terrestrial planet formation may not be the cause of refractory element depletion in the Sun.
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