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Contextuality of the probability current in quantum mechanics

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Pith's one-line read Flux lines of the quantum probability current change discontinuously with experimental context or Lorentz frame.

desk verdict Laloë reframes Hardy's contextuality argument in terms of the probability current's flux lines, which jump discontinuously with context or Lorentz frame changes, leading to the claim that no relativistic probability fluid motion can be defined consistently. read the letter →

arxiv 2412.04104 v4 submitted 2024-12-05 quant-ph

Franck Laloë This is my paper
classification quant-ph
keywords quantummechanicsprobabilitycurrentcontextualityrelativityfluidfluxlinesconfigurationspace
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The reading

The paper revisits arguments about local realism by examining the probability current in standard quantum mechanics and the motion it would imply for a probability fluid. It shows that the flux lines of this current in configuration space undergo quasi-discontinuous jumps when the experimental setup changes, and that the same occurs under Lorentz frame changes even without altering the setup. These variations appear in both Galilean and Einsteinian relativity, leading directly to the conclusion that no relativistically consistent definition of the fluid's motion exists.

What carries the argument

Flux lines of the probability current in configuration space, taken to represent the motion of the probability fluid.

What would settle it

Construction or observation of a probability current whose flux lines remain continuous and unchanged when the context or Lorentz frame is varied would falsify the impossibility claim.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

The flux lines of the probability current exhibit (quasi) discontinuous variations when the context is changed, in both Galilean and Einsteinian relativity. In the latter case, discontinuous variations also appear without changing the setup, when the Lorentzian reference frame is changed. A relativistically consistent definition of the motion of a quantum probability fluid is therefore impossible.

Load-bearing premise

The flux lines of the probability current must correspond to a physical motion of the probability fluid that remains consistent under changes of experimental context or Lorentz reference frame.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The implied motion of the probability fluid is contextual and depends on the chosen experimental setup.
  • In relativistic settings the motion further depends on the observer's Lorentz frame.
  • No single picture of fluid trajectories can be maintained across different contexts or frames.
  • This property holds within standard quantum mechanics without additional assumptions.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Interpretations relying on a continuous fluid picture may need to treat the current as purely formal rather than descriptive of motion.
  • The result suggests checking whether alternative current definitions, such as those in relativistic quantum theories, avoid the jumps.
  • One could test by deriving the current for specific entangled states and explicitly transforming between frames to confirm discontinuities.
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Editorial analysis

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Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript revisits Hardy's argument on local realistic theories by reformulating it in terms of the motion of the probability fluid and its associated current in standard quantum mechanics. It emphasizes (quasi)discontinuous changes in the flux lines of this current in configuration space under shifts in experimental context (both Galilean and relativistic) and, in the relativistic case, under changes of Lorentz reference frame without altering the setup. The central claim is that these properties render a relativistically consistent definition of the motion of a quantum probability fluid impossible.

Significance. If the argument is substantiated with explicit derivations, it would strengthen contextuality results by applying them directly to the probability current, with potential implications for hydrodynamic interpretations of QM and attempts to construct relativistic versions of trajectory-based or fluid-based pictures (e.g., extensions of Bohmian mechanics). The paper credits the standard continuity equation and current definition without introducing new free parameters or ad-hoc entities.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract and opening sections: the claim that flux lines 'must' describe physical motion of a probability fluid that remains consistent under context or frame change is presented as self-evident, but the manuscript does not derive why alternative interpretations of the current (e.g., purely as a local density-flow quantity satisfying the continuity equation without global path invariance) are ruled out. This assumption is load-bearing for the impossibility conclusion.
  2. [Main text (relativistic case)] The relativistic discontinuity under Lorentz boosts is asserted without an explicit calculation or equation showing the transformation of the four-current or its flux lines; a concrete example (e.g., a two-particle state or specific wave function) with the transformed J^μ would be required to confirm the effect is not removable by redefinition of the fluid velocity field.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The citation to Hardy-1 should include the full reference details and a brief statement of which specific result is being revisited.
  2. [Introduction or §2] Notation for the probability current (likely J or j) and flux lines should be defined explicitly at first use, including whether the lines are integral curves of the velocity field v = J/ρ.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their thorough review and valuable suggestions. We address the major comments point by point below, providing clarifications and committing to revisions where appropriate.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and opening sections: the claim that flux lines 'must' describe physical motion of a probability fluid that remains consistent under context or frame change is presented as self-evident, but the manuscript does not derive why alternative interpretations of the current (e.g., purely as a local density-flow quantity satisfying the continuity equation without global path invariance) are ruled out. This assumption is load-bearing for the impossibility conclusion.

    Authors: The manuscript explores the implications for any interpretation that attributes a physical motion to the probability fluid via the current's flux lines. While local satisfaction of the continuity equation is always possible, the contextuality and frame-dependence of the global flux lines prevent a consistent relativistic fluid picture. Alternative interpretations that treat the current solely as a local quantity without invoking global motion are not ruled out but fall outside the scope of hydrodynamic or trajectory-based approaches discussed. We will revise the abstract to clarify this distinction. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Main text (relativistic case)] The relativistic discontinuity under Lorentz boosts is asserted without an explicit calculation or equation showing the transformation of the four-current or its flux lines; a concrete example (e.g., a two-particle state or specific wave function) with the transformed J^μ would be required to confirm the effect is not removable by redefinition of the fluid velocity field.

    Authors: We agree that providing an explicit calculation would strengthen the argument. In the revised manuscript, we will include a specific example using a two-particle wave function, showing the four-current before and after a Lorentz boost, and demonstrating that the resulting discontinuities in flux lines cannot be eliminated by a simple redefinition of the velocity field. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; derivation self-contained in standard QM

full rationale

The paper's central argument derives the impossibility of a relativistically consistent probability-fluid motion directly from the known transformation properties of the standard quantum probability current under context changes and Lorentz boosts. No parameters are fitted, no ansatz is smuggled via self-citation, and the conclusion follows from the definition of the current (which is external to the paper) rather than from any redefinition or renaming that collapses the result into its inputs. The cited Hardy reference is independent and does not overlap with the author. The derivation therefore remains non-circular and externally falsifiable against textbook quantum mechanics.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 2 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on standard quantum mechanical definitions and the interpretation of current as fluid motion.

assumptions (2)
  • domain assumption The probability current is defined from the wave function in standard QM
    Used to define flux lines.
  • domain assumption Hardy's argument on local realistic theories applies to this context
    The paper revisits it.

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Pith. "Pith review of Contextuality of the probability current in quantum mechanics." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/2412.04104

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read the original abstract

We revisit an argument proposed by Hardy \cite{Hardy-1} concerning local realistic theories, but in terms of the motion of the probability fluid and its current within standard quantum mechanic. We emphasize surprising properties of the flux lines of this current in configuration space, in particular (quasi) discontinuous variations when the context (the experimental setup) is changed. This occurs in both Galilean and Einsteinian relativity. In the latter case, discontinuous variations also appear without changing the setup, when the Lorentzian reference frame is changed. A relativistically consistent definition of the motion of a quantum probability fluid is therefore impossible.

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Figure 1. Each of the two interferometers A and B receives a particle. The oval sym￾bolizes an interaction process that annihilates the two particles if they both take the middle paths. To survive, the system of two particles has to propagate in the other combinations of paths, which results in quantum entanglement. 2 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. A different version of the experiment where the crossing of the output beam [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. A third version of the experiment where the crossing of the output beam [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: This figure shows the experiment of figure 1 in another Lorentz frame, moving [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_4.png]

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