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Forging and Removing Latent-Noise Diffusion Watermarks Using a Single Image
T0 review · 2 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-16 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read A single watermarked image is enough to forge or erase latent-noise diffusion watermarks.
desk verdict A genuinely new attack setting—single-image, black-box watermark forgery without the U-Net—that mostly delivers, but the proxy-VAE transfer claim is under-tested and the removal results are weaker than the abstract implies. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing object is the watermark region, defined as all clean latents whose DDIM inversion matches the secret key below the detector's threshold. The mechanism behind it is the many-to-one inversion map: the same initial noise can denoise into many images under different prompts, but detection inverts with an empty prompt, so a key's preimage in latent space is a region rather than a point. The attack operationalizes this region using a proxy VAE encoder $E_{\phi}$: for forgery it solves $\min_{\delta} \|E_{\phi}(x^{(c)}+\delta)-E_{\phi}(x^{(w)})\|_2 + \lambda\|\delta\|_2$, and for removal it targets the mean of the watermarked image $E_{\phi}(\mu_{x^{(w)}})$ instead. A linear separator experiment shows the region has a usable direction in latent space, and the optimization exploits the encoder's non-smoothness to keep perturbations small.
What would settle it
Repeat the forgery attack using a proxy VAE trained on a very different domain, such as medical or cartoon images; if the attack success rate falls to chance while the same-domain proxy stays high, the proxy-transfer premise is false and the attack is not black-box in the claimed sense. Alternatively, take a non-watermarked image whose proxy latent distance to a watermarked image is zero and check whether the detector still rejects it; if rejection persists, latent closeness does not imply watermark-region entry.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that latent-noise watermarking schemes, where a secret key is embedded in the initial noise used by a diffusion model, contain a geometric vulnerability: because DDIM inversion with an empty prompt maps many different clean latents to the same recovered key, the set of images that verify as watermarked forms a region in the clean latent space, not isolated examples. The paper defines this watermark region and shows it is linearly separable from non-watermarked latents. It then converts this into a black-box attack: minimize the distance between the target image's encoding and a single reference watermarked image's encoding in a proxy VAE latent space, and the resulting imperceptible perturbation moves the target inside the region, so DDIM inversion recovers the key and the detector accepts it. Reversing the objective, pulling a watermarked latent toward a plain mean image, removes the mark. The attack needs only one watermarked image and no access to the denoising network or the secret key. Experiments report near-perfect forgery on RingID, WIND, and Gaussian Shading, roughly 79 to 94 percent success on Tree-Ring, and strong removal on Tree-Ring while multi-pattern watermarks resist removal.
Load-bearing premise
The load-bearing premise is that minimizing distance in the proxy VAE's latent space transfers to the detector's DDIM-inversion geometry, so images that look close in the proxy space also invert to similar initial-noise patterns.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Any latent-noise watermark that relies on empty-prompt DDIM inversion inherits a region-based forgery surface; a single watermarked sample can be used to falsely attribute unrelated images to the model owner.
- The attack succeeds without access to model weights, the secret key, or the denoising U-Net; a proxy VAE trained on similar imagery is enough, making the practical threat broader than prior attacks that required key or model access.
- Forgery and removal asymmetries follow from watermark content: single-pattern Tree-Ring is harder to forge but easy to remove, while multi-pattern RingID, WIND, and Gaussian Shading are easy to forge but resist removal, so the choice of key structure determines which attack is practical.
- Reported image-quality metrics at high $\lambda$ show the successful perturbations are subtle, meaning detection cannot rely on visible distortion as a simple defense.
- The results imply that distortion-free watermarking does not guarantee robustness against adversarial manipulation; robustness must be tested against region-based attacks, not just transformations or cropping.
Reading between the lines
- A natural extension is that content-dependent watermarks, where the embedded message is a function of the image itself, may close the region loophole because an attacker would need to know the message-generation rule, not just one example.
- The region-entry view suggests a detector-side defense: reject images whose recovered key matches but whose latent sits suspiciously close to a known reference latent, or require multiple independent inversions with different prompts or encoders before accepting the key.
- Although the paper evaluates generic non-watermarked images, the forgery mechanism does not depend on image semantics; if the transfer assumption holds, targeted forgery of a specific harmful image should work with the same objective, which would be a stronger real-world concern than the reported average success rate.
- The proxy-encoder assumption could be stress-tested across encoder families; if the attack transfers across architectures that never saw the detector's inversion geometry, it would suggest the region is a property of the diffusion prior itself, not of a particular VAE.
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Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes black-box forgery and removal attacks against latent-noise watermarking schemes for diffusion models. The attacker is assumed to have access to a single watermarked image and an off-the-shelf VAE (possibly not the exact VAE used by the diffusion model), but not the denoising U-Net or the secret key. The forgery attack (Eq. 3) optimizes an additive perturbation to a clean image so that its proxy-VAE latent representation moves close to the latent representation of the watermarked reference image; the removal attack (Eq. 4) similarly pushes a watermarked image's latent toward that of a plain mean-valued image. The method is evaluated on Tree-Ring, RingID, WIND, and Gaussian Shading across SDv1.4 and SDv2.0, using 200 image pairs per setting, with attack success rates defined by the schemes' p-value or bit-accuracy thresholds. The paper reports high forgery success for RingID, WIND, and Gaussian Shading, moderate-to-high success for Tree-Ring, and successful removal mainly for Tree-Ring, with an honest discussion of the difficulty of removal for multi-pattern watermarks.
Significance. If the results hold, this is a meaningful contribution to the security analysis of latent-noise watermarks. The paper demonstrates that a single watermarked image can suffice to forge a watermark in a black-box manner, without access to the denoising network, and it evaluates the attack across four watermarking schemes and two diffusion models. The public codebase is a strength for reproducibility, and the use of first-attempt success (rather than cherry-picked attempts) makes the evaluation protocol cleaner than in some prior work. The reported failure of removal for RingID and WIND is also a useful, honest data point. However, the significance depends on the transferability of proxy-VAE optimization to the DDIM-inversion detector geometry and on the representativeness of the reference-image selection; both assumptions are currently tested only under favorable conditions.
major comments (2)
- [Section 4.3, Eq. (3); Section 5, Experimental Setup] The claim that 'a VAE that was trained on a similar dataset suffices' is supported only by using the SDv1.4 VAE to attack watermarks embedded via SDv2.0. These are two Stable Diffusion VAEs from the same model family and effectively the same training distribution. No experiment varies the proxy VAE independently, e.g., using a VAE from a different architecture or a different training domain. Since Eq. (3) optimizes in the proxy encoder's latent geometry while detection relies on DDIM inversion with a U-Net, this transfer is the load-bearing assumption for the black-box, single-image attack. Please add experiments with a genuinely different proxy VAE (for example, a VAE from a different latent diffusion model or an autoencoder trained on a different image domain) or explicitly limit the claim to same-family proxies. Without such evidence, the Introduction's 'similar dataset suffices' assertion is not established.
- [Section 5, Experimental Setup] The reference watermarked images used for the forgery attack are generated from simple prompts because, as the paper states, 'the resultant images contain more visible watermark patterns/signal due to lower amounts of high-frequency information.' This selection directly biases the reported attack success rates upward relative to arbitrary watermarked images that an attacker would encounter in practice. The paper does not report forgery ASR when the reference image is generated from a complex prompt (e.g., the Gustavosta prompts used to create the main watermarked set). Please report this variant, or provide evidence that simple-prompt references are representative of real-world target images. This is important because the attack optimizes toward a single reference latent, and the size of the vulnerable region may depend on the reference image's content.
minor comments (5)
- [Tables 1, 2, 5, 6] All ASR values are point estimates from 200 pairs with no confidence intervals or standard errors. Given that the paper makes comparative statements (e.g., 'almost perfect' versus '≈85%'), please add standard errors or confidence intervals to support the strength of the conclusions.
- [Tables 1, 2, 5, 6] The FID metric is reported for what appears to be a single set of attacked images; please clarify how FID is computed in this paired setting (e.g., between the original and attacked distributions) and note that FID is a distributional metric rather than a per-image distortion measure.
- [Appendix 11.3] The optimization runs for 15,000 iterations with a learning rate of 0.02 per image; this computational cost should be stated in the main text so that readers can judge the practicality of the attack.
- [Section 4.3, Eq. (4)] The removal objective uses a plain image with all pixel values equal to the mean of the watermarked image. The justification is relegated to the appendix; the main text should at least summarize the comparison with real-image guidance, since the choice is non-obvious and affects the success of the removal attack.
- [Throughout] There are several typographical issues, including inconsistent spacing in 'V AE' and some misspellings. The manuscript should be proofread for these presentation issues.
Circularity Check
No circularity: the attack optimizes against a proxy VAE and is evaluated on held-out detectors; Eq. 3 does not reduce to the detector's matching function.
full rationale
The paper's central claim is an empirical transfer hypothesis: minimizing distance in a proxy VAE's latent space (Eq. 3) should move a non-watermarked image into the watermark region defined by DDIM inversion in Definition 1. These are distinct functions: Eq. 3 uses only E_phi and the reference watermarked image x(w), while success is measured by M_W(I^-(z0), k), the detector's key-matching test. No detector parameters, secret key, or inversion network enter the optimization; lambda is a swept hyperparameter, not a fitted value. The SVM motivation in Section 4.2 uses many same-key images, but it is presented as an existence check and is not used in the main single-image attack. The only self-citations are to prior watermarking schemes (WIND [2], RingID [5]) used as public, externally implemented benchmarks and as descriptions of threat-model scenarios; they are not invoked to justify the attack's validity. The proxy-VAE transfer assumption is a genuine empirical premise, not an identity or a renamed input, so no step reduces to its own inputs by construction.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (1)
- lambda (regularization weight) =
5e4, 2e4, 1e4 (grid)
assumptions (4)
- domain assumption Many-to-one mapping between clean latents and initial noise under DDIM inversion with empty prompt.
- domain assumption A proxy VAE trained on similar data has a latent space similar enough to the target model's VAE for the attack to transfer.
- domain assumption The VAE representation space is non-smooth, so small perturbations can move latent representations significantly.
- domain assumption The watermark detector inverts images using DDIM inversion with an empty prompt.
invented entities (1)
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Watermark region
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read the original abstract
Watermarking techniques are vital for protecting intellectual property and preventing fraudulent use of media. Most previous watermarking schemes designed for diffusion models embed a secret key in the initial noise. The resulting pattern is often considered hard to remove and forge into unrelated images. In this paper, we propose a black-box adversarial attack without presuming access to the diffusion model weights. Our attack uses only a single watermarked example and is based on a simple observation: there is a many-to-one mapping between images and initial noises. There are regions in the clean image latent space pertaining to each watermark that get mapped to the same initial noise when inverted. Based on this intuition, we propose an adversarial attack to forge the watermark by introducing perturbations to the images such that we can enter the region of watermarked images. We show that we can also apply a similar approach for watermark removal by learning perturbations to exit this region. We report results on multiple watermarking schemes (Tree-Ring, RingID, WIND, and Gaussian Shading) across two diffusion models (SDv1.4 and SDv2.0). Our results demonstrate the effectiveness of the attack and expose vulnerabilities in the watermarking methods, motivating future research on improving them.
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Experimental Results using Alternative Loss Formulations In this section, we present an alternative design of the ad- versarial loss function to remove and forge the watermark signal. 8.1. Using Progressive Gradient Descent In our main experiments (Equation 3), we control the ...
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We have set hy- perparametersϵ in Eq
at imperceptibility metrics even at higher ASR. We have set hy- perparametersϵ in Eq. 5 to be 0.1, (ϵ,αN ) in Eq. 6 to be (3,300) andλ in Eq. 3 to be 2.5× 104. Method ASR l2 l∞ LPIPS SSIM PSNR FID Eq. 5 83.24 68.04 0.10 0.35 0.66 28.31 69.35 Eq. 6 83.33 67.77 0.93 0.32 0.66 28...
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In this section, we show that this works better in practice as compared to using a fixed pixel value of 127.5
Watermark Removal using Images with Fixed Pixel Values In Section 4.3 for watermark removal, we use images with all pixel values equal to the mean value of the given water- marked image for guidance. In this section, we show that this works better in practice as compared to us...
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The optimization objective remains the same as Equation 7, i.e., min δ ∥Eϕ(x(w) +δ)−Eϕ(x(c))∥2 +λ∥δ∥2, (7) where x(c) is a randomly selected real image
Watermark Removal using Real Images In this case, we use non-watermarked images from the COCO [19] dataset for guidance such that we minimize the distance between their respective representations while per- turbing the watermarked image. The optimization objective remains the ...
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Prompt Datasets We utilize two datasets namely, the Gustavosta/Stable- Diffusion-Prompts1 dataset and the runwayml-stable- diffusion-v1-5-eval-random-prompts2 dataset
Detailed Experiment Settings 11.1. Prompt Datasets We utilize two datasets namely, the Gustavosta/Stable- Diffusion-Prompts1 dataset and the runwayml-stable- diffusion-v1-5-eval-random-prompts2 dataset. The former contains around 80,000 prompts extracted from the image finder ...
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We show examples of forgery attacks on Tree-Ring in Figure 11, RingID in Figure 12, WIND in Figure 13, and Gaussian Shading in Figure 14
More Visual Examples We provide additional visual examples to show that suc- cessful watermark forgery and removal attacks do not harm 1https://huggingface.co/datasets/Gustavosta/Stable-Diffusion-Prompts 2https://huggingface.co/datasets/yuvalkirstain/runwayml-stable- diffusion...
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