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Comparing Moral Values in Western English-speaking societies and LLMs with Word Associations

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Pith's one-line read By comparing word-association graphs built from human participants and from Llama, this paper claims that humans and LLMs align more closely on positive moral values than on negative ones, where human responses are more emotional and…

desk verdict A well-built dataset and a plausible method, but the central human-vs-LLM moral contrast is currently confounded by an internal alpha contradiction and by cue-selection bias. read the letter →

arxiv 2505.19674 v2 pith:AJSVSXKE submitted 2025-05-26 cs.CL

classification cs.CL
keywords wordassociationsmoralfoundationstheorylargelanguagemodelsalignmentgraphpropagationmentallexiconconcretenessemotionalresponse
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal

The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The reading

The paper tries to establish that word associations—the first words that spring to mind for a cue—can serve as a stable, low-level window into how humans and large language models organize moral concepts, avoiding the brittleness of direct moral questionnaires. Using the same roughly 12,000 cues and the same experimental instructions for human participants and for Llama, the authors build two word-association graphs and propagate moral values from Moral Foundation Theory seed words through each graph. They find that humans and the LLM align more closely on positive moral values than on negative ones: human responses to negative moral concepts are more emotionally varied and more concrete, while Llama's are more abstract and less diverse. The paper also claims that propagating moral values over the global association graph predicts human moral judgments better than the previous local-graph baseline. If these findings hold, they give a way to audit an LLM's moral map without trusting its answers to moral questions.

What carries the argument

The central object is a pair of word-association graphs, WA-H built from about 90,000 human participants' responses in the Small World of Words dataset, and WA-L built by prompting Llama with the same cue words and the exact human instructions, repeated 100 times per cue with temperature tuned to match human variability and robustness. Moral values enter through 626 seed words from the Moral Foundations Dictionary, each carrying a five-dimensional score on the MFT dimensions Care, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, and Sanctity. The propagation step is a random walk over the global graph with closed form $F^* = (I - \alpha S)^{-1} F_0$, where $S = D^{-1/2} W D^{-1/2}$ is the normalized adjacency matrix, $F_0$ is the seed matrix, and $\alpha$ controls how far moral information travels; it assigns every word a five-dimensional moral vector. Applying this method to WA-H and WA-L yields the Global Moral Networks GMN-H and GMN-L, whose correlation with the crowdsourced Extended Moral Foundations Dictionary is the key quantitative evidence, and whose graph topology (diameter, density, connectivity) explains why the LLM graph needs a larger $\alpha$ to propagate moral information.

What would settle it

Run the same association elicitation on Llama-3.1-8B without the role-playing instruction, or on a non-instruction-tuned base model, and compare the emotionality and concreteness of responses to negative moral cues. If the pattern of sterile, abstract, fairness-dominated associations disappears or the positive-negative asymmetry flips, the reported moral map is an artifact of the prompt and instruction tuning rather than a stable property of the model's associations.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

Read through the lens of the mental lexicon, Llama-3.1-8B-Instruct and English-speaking human participants share a largely similar moral map for positive concepts—both rank religious and virtue words like church, kind, and holy at the top—but diverge sharply on negative concepts. Humans associate negative moral cues with sensory, physical, and emotionally charged words such as vomit, gross, and pain, whereas Llama associates them with abstract social categories such as prejudice, discrimination, and betrayal, and tends to make the same abstract words top responses to each other. The paper's central claim is that this asymmetry is systematic: humans show greater emotional diversity and concreteness in morally negative associations, while LLMs are less varied and more abstract, and this divergence matters because an LLM lacking experiential, affective grounding for negative concepts could misjudge the severity of harm. Methodologically, the paper claims that propagating moral values through a global association graph yields moral scores that correlate with human moral judgments better than the local moral association graph baseline, demonstrating that multi-hop associations over longer distances carry recoverable moral content.

Load-bearing premise

That the word associations Llama produces when given the human experiment instructions reveal its internal moral organization, rather than being shaped by instruction-following, RLHF, or text memorized from training data.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Word associations can be used to probe LLM morality indirectly, sidestepping the instability and training-data leakage that plague direct moral questionnaires.
  • The five-dimensional moral scores assigned to all 12,000 concepts can serve as word-level building blocks for future sentence- or document-level moral inference.
  • Because the LLM graph has fewer edges, lower density, and larger diameter than the human graph, moral information propagates less efficiently through LLM associations, a measurable structural signature of the divergence.
  • The strong overlap on positive moral concepts suggests LLM representations do reflect aspects of human moral conceptualization, supporting the plausibility of aligning deployed models with human values.
  • The systematic divergence on negative concepts implies that an LLM without experiential and affective grounding could misjudge the severity of harm or respond inappropriately in morally critical situations, even when direct answers are superficially correct.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • An extension the authors leave implicit: the positive-negative asymmetry could partly reflect RLHF and the training objective, which reward sanitized, socially desirable continuations and suppress visceral, negatively charged language; comparing instruction-tuned and base models on the same association task would test this.
  • Going beyond the paper, the same protocol could be run with prompt-free distributional measures such as embedding nearest neighbors or next-token probabilities without role-playing instructions, to determine whether the abstract-versus-concrete pattern is intrinsic to Llama's representations or an artifact of the elicitation prompt.
  • Grounded in the paper's framework but not its experiments, the word-level moral scores from GMN-L could be piped into downstream moral-judgment tasks; if the low-emotion representation of negative concepts transfers, models should under-predict harm severity in vignettes involving visceral disgust or physical pain.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

4 major / 4 minor

Summary. This paper proposes a framework for comparing moral values in Western English-speaking human word associations (SWOW English) and associations generated by Llama-3.1-8B-Instruct. The authors elicit 100 associations per cue from Llama using the SWOW instruction, tune the sampling temperature to match human diversity and split-half reliability, and construct two word-association graphs (WA-H and WA-L). They then seed moral values from the Moral Foundations Dictionary and propagate them through each graph with a random-walk algorithm, producing Global Moral Networks (GMN-H and GMN-L). They report that this global propagation outperforms the local MAG baseline in correlation with the extended Moral Foundations Dictionary (eMFD), and they compare the two networks' top positive and negative moral concepts. Their headline finding is that LLMs and humans align more closely on positive moral concepts, while they diverge on negative concepts, with humans showing more emotional and concrete associations and Llama producing more abstract ones. The paper includes public code and data.

Significance. The paper's dataset-construction practices are a clear strength: 100 generations per cue, temperature tuning on 400 held-out cues, split-half reliability checks, and held-out alpha selection on 277 eMFD words are all described and make the resource valuable. The global propagation method is a plausible step beyond the local MAG baseline, and if the central comparison were sound, the finding that positive moral concepts align better than negative concepts would be a useful empirical contribution to LLM moral-alignment research. However, the headline comparison currently rests on an internally contradictory choice of the propagation parameter alpha and on downstream selection of cues from the very scores being compared, so the central asymmetry is not yet interpretable. The paper is honest about its cultural scope and acknowledges the possibility that different LLMs behave differently.

major comments (4)
  1. [§5.1.1 and Appendix D] The assignment of α is internally contradictory: §5.1.1 reports GMN-H optimal at α=0.75 and GMN-L at α=0.9, while Appendix D states GMN-L peaks at α=0.75 and GMN-H at α=0.9. Because α controls how far the MFD seed values diffuse through the graph, the identity of the top negative concepts in Table 2 and the cue sets used in §6.2 both depend on this choice. The headline asymmetry (humans more concrete/emotional, LLMs more abstract; positive alignment but negative divergence) is exactly the kind of pattern an α mismatch could produce. The authors should resolve the contradiction and re-run the human-LLM comparison with a common α for both graphs, or report the full sensitivity surface across α for both graphs, and show that the top lists and Table 4 are stable.
  2. [§6.2 and Table 4] The emotionality and concreteness analyses are performed on the top 50 negative cues selected from the same propagated scores that are being compared. If the two graphs rank different cues into the top 50, then the observation that GMN-H responses are more concrete and more emotionally diverse may simply reflect the properties of the cue words, not a difference in how humans and Llama respond to the same cues. The paper should restrict the comparison to a shared set of cues (intersection, or a fixed score threshold applied to both graphs), report the size of the overlap, and show that the emotion/concreteness differences survive on that common set.
  3. [§4 and Appendix A] The interpretation that WA-L reflects Llama's 'mental lexicon' is not established. The prompt explicitly asks the model to 'help scientists understand how meaning is organized in our mental dictionary' and to give the first words that come to mind; an instruction-tuned model is trained to comply with such role-playing requests, and its responses may be a simulation of human word-association behavior learned from text rather than a trace of its internal conceptual organization. To support the central claim, the authors should include a control condition (e.g., a non-instruction-tuned base model, a paraphrased instruction that does not invoke a mental dictionary, or a prompt that asks for the most textually associated words) and demonstrate that the §6 divergence pattern remains. This is a correctness-risk concern rather than a claim about intentional mimicry.
  4. [§5.2, §5.1.1, and Appendix E] The comparison with eMFD is not fully independent of the dictionary family: seeds are from MFD, alpha is tuned on a held-out slice of eMFD, and evaluation uses the remaining eMFD words. In addition, the MAD normalization described in Appendix E rescales each graph separately, which cannot undo α-driven differences in relative ranking (or fix the contradiction in the first major comment). The paper should report the correlation results after excluding all MFD seed words from evaluation, with the procedure clearly specified (the current text around 'subtract the seed values' is ambiguous about whether this is done for all nodes or only seed nodes), and should acknowledge the remaining dependence on MFT-derived resources. If the central contribution is the human-LLM comparison, the eMFD evaluation is secondary, but the normalization and seed-exclusion details need to be precise.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Abstract, §3.1, and Appendix C] The number of cue words is given as 12,000, 12k, and 12,216 in different places; the exact count should be stated once and used consistently throughout.
  2. [Table 4] The 'All' column contains a bare '41' and the significance markers are not fully explained; the table should be restructured so the reader can see the dimension-wise sample sizes and the exact test performed.
  3. [Appendix F] The tables list 'Top Response' and 'Top Unique Response' side by side, but several rows are misaligned; please use a single table with clear column headers and verify that the top-4 lists correspond to the same cue across the two graphs.
  4. [Appendix A] The sentence 'The exact same system prompt has been used to collecting human responses' is inaccurate: human participants were not given a system prompt; the wording should say that the same instruction text was adapted from the human data-collection procedure.

Circularity Check

2 steps flagged · score 6.0 of 10

The positive human-LLM alignment is partly by construction because both GMNs receive identical MFD seed values and seeds are not removed from the Section 6 ranking; the negative-concept emotionality/concreteness comparison is additionally confounded by a direct contradiction in the α assignments between the main text and Appendix D.

  1. self definitional [Section 5.1 (moral value initialization) + Section 6.1 and Table 2]
    "We then initialize F0 with moral values by assigning each ci ∈ MFD its five associated moral values ∈[−1,1,0] for vice, virtue and no association, respectively. ... We calculate each concept’s overall morality by summing its moral scores across the five dimensions for both positive (virtues) and negative (vices), then rank the concepts accordingly."

    The seed matrix F0 is identical for GMN-H and GMN-L because both use the same MFD. Propagation via (I−αS)^−1 with a nonnegative kernel preserves the sign of each seed dimension, so MFD virtue seeds start at +1 in both graphs and dominate the positive pole. Section 6.1 ranks concepts using these propagated scores without subtracting or excluding the MFD seeds (unlike the evaluation setup in §5.1.1). The headline claim that 'LLMs and humans align more closely for positive moral values' is therefore at least partly an artifact of shared initialization: the two GMNs are being compared on the very words that were set equal by construction. The positive-overlap rows of Table 2 are not independent evidence of human-LLM alignment.

  2. fitted input called prediction [Section 5.1.1 vs. Appendix D, and Section 6.2 (Table 4)]
    "We find that GMN-H requires a smaller α=0.75 for optimal performance, while GMN-L performs best at α=0.9 (detailed in the Appendix D). ... Appendix D: The GMN-L correlation reaches its peak at alpha = 0.75, while the GMN-H correlation peaks at alpha = 0.9. We used these respective optimal values in Section 5 to propagate the moral values."

    α is fitted to a slice of eMFD, and the resulting scores are then used to select the top 50 negative cues analyzed in §6.2. The main text and Appendix D assign the optimal α values to opposite graphs. Because α controls how far the shared MFD seeds diffuse, a larger α propagates abstract fairness-cluster concepts (prejudice, discrimination) to the top, while a smaller α leaves local sensory concepts (vomit, disgusting) on top. The reported asymmetry—human top negatives concrete/emotional, LLM top negatives abstract/sterile—is therefore a direct consequence of whichever α assignment was actually used, rather than an independent property of the two association graphs.

full rationale

The paper's core methodological derivation—propagating MFD seed values through WA-H and WA-L and correlating the results with the eMFD—is not circular in itself: it uses standard label propagation, the tuning and evaluation slices of eMFD are disjoint, and the authors' self-citations to their own word-association work are background support rather than load-bearing. The evaluation against eMFD is meaningful despite sharing the MFT dictionary family, because the graph structure must still generate the eMFD scores from sparse seeds. However, the headline qualitative comparison is compromised in two concrete, quotable ways. First, the positive-alignment result is partially by construction: both GMNs are initialized from the same MFD seeds, and the Section 6 ranking does not remove those seeds, so the overlapping top positive concepts (church, religion, God, kind, etc.) reflect the shared seed matrix rather than emergent alignment. Second, the human-vs-LLM negative-concept comparison is confounded by a direct contradiction between §5.1.1 and Appendix D over which graph uses α=0.75 versus α=0.9; since α determines which concepts become top-ranked negatives, and since §6.2 then selects the top 50 negative cues from those very scores, the emotion/concreteness findings are not an independent test of human versus LLM associations. These issues make the central comparative claim substantially circular or artifact-driven, while the underlying graph-propagation and correlation results retain independent content, yielding a score of 6.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 6 assumptions · 0 invented entities

Two fitted hyperparameters (temperature, per-graph alpha) directly shape the moral scores being compared, and the mental-lexicon-proxy assumption is load-bearing. The MFD/eMFD family is both the seed source and the evaluation source. No new physical entities are introduced; GMN is a model output, not an invented entity.

free parameters (3)
  • temperature = 2.1
    Chosen on 400 cues to make LLM response variability and split-half reliability approximate human SWOW values (Figure 3). Affects the entire WA-L graph and hence all downstream moral scores.
  • alpha_H = 0.75
    Propagation strength selected by maximizing correlation with 277 held-out eMFD words on the human graph. Different alpha for human vs LLM graphs complicates direct comparison.
  • alpha_L = 0.9
    Propagation strength selected on the same held-out eMFD subset for the LLM graph. The per-graph tuning means differences between GMN-L and GMN-H partly reflect different smoothing, not only moral content.
assumptions (6)
  • domain assumption Moral Foundation Theory's five dimensions adequately capture human moral variation.
    The paper builds all seeds and evaluation scores on MFT (Graham et al. 2013) and its dictionaries, while acknowledging that the exact dimensions are under debate (Section 2).
  • domain assumption Word association graphs reflect mental-lexicon organization and support moral inference.
    Central premise taken from prior psychology and MAG work (Clark 1970; Deyne et al. 2019; Ramezani and Xu 2024), stated in Section 2.
  • domain assumption Prompting Llama with the human word-association instructions gives a valid proxy for the model's internal lexical organization.
    Entire WA-L construction rests on this equivalence (Section 4, Appendix A). This is the paper's weakest assumption.
  • domain assumption MFD and eMFD provide valid ground-truth moral scores for English words.
    MFD initializes seeds (626 words); eMFD is the evaluation target and alpha-tuning target (Sections 3.1 and 5.1.1).
  • standard math The closed-form random-walk propagation F*=(I-alpha S)^-1 F0 is valid and converges.
    Adopted from Zhou et al. 2003 and used as the core propagation method (Section 5.1).
  • domain assumption Human and LLM graphs with different densities, diameters, and tuned alpha values can be compared directly.
    GMN-H uses alpha=0.75 and GMN-L uses alpha=0.9; the paper interprets resulting score differences as moral differences, not primarily as graph-structure artifacts (Sections 5.1.1, 6.1).

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As the impact of large language models increases, understanding the moral values they reflect becomes ever more important. Assessing the nature of moral values as understood by these models via direct prompting is challenging due to potential leakage of human norms into model training data, and their sensitivity to prompt formulation. Instead, we propose to use word associations, which have been shown to reflect moral reasoning in humans, as low-level underlying representations to obtain a more robust picture of LLMs' moral reasoning. We study moral differences in associations from western English-speaking communities and LLMs trained predominantly on English data. First, we create a large dataset of LLM-generated word associations, resembling an existing data set of human word associations. Next, we propose a novel method to propagate moral values based on seed words derived from Moral Foundation Theory through the human and LLM-generated association graphs. Finally, we compare the resulting moral conceptualizations, highlighting detailed but systematic differences between moral values emerging from English speakers and LLM associations.

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Figure 1. An illustration of moral information propaga [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p001_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Overview of our two-phase framework: (1) Collecting word association graphs from humans ( [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Effect of temperature on differences in vari [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: presents reliability test for WA-L and WA￾H using the the Precision@K. WA-H refers to word associations produced by human participants, as detailed in Section 3.1. The figure compares precision@K for each internal half. Each line shows precision at different K values, …
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Figure 6. Figure 6: The Spearman correlation between the eMFD [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_6.png]
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Quantitative analysis of graph properties—density, local clustering coefficient (clustering coefficient), [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_7.png]

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Pith tools

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