REVIEW 4 major objections 6 minor 50 references
Comparative Evaluation of Acoustic Feature Extraction Tools for Clinical Speech Analysis
T0 review · 4 major / 6 minor · reviewed 2026-08-07 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Acoustic features extracted from the same clinical speech recordings differ substantially across OpenSMILE, Praat, and Librosa, even when extraction parameters are standardized.
desk verdict A useful clinical-toolkit comparison whose central agreement claims are not supported because it uses Pearson r as an agreement metric, plus an unresolved sample-size discrepancy that must be fixed. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing machinery is the standardized extraction pipeline and the pairwise Pearson correlation between toolkit outputs. The authors align sampling rate (16 kHz), frame size (60 ms), hop size (10 ms), Hamming window, disabled pre-emphasis, and F0 search range (55–1000 Hz), then extract eGeMAPS-style statistics from OpenSMILE, Praat (via Parselmouth), and Librosa. Agreement for each acoustic feature is defined by Pearson r between every toolkit pair, and Fisher's r-to-z tests whether these correlations differ between groups; AUC from ROC curves is used to gauge each feature's diagnostic separation. The correlation matrix is the argument's backbone: it is what converts 'the tools computed different numbers' into 'the tools cannot be used interchangeably for certain features.'
What would settle it
Run the same standardized pipeline on a corpus with hand-verified F0 and formant values and compute Bland-Altman limits of agreement between each toolkit pair; large absolute discrepancies on features that show high Pearson correlation would show that correlation alone does not establish cross-toolkit reliability.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central discovery is that cross-toolkit agreement is feature-specific and cannot be assumed from parameter alignment alone. With identical configuration, OpenSMILE and Librosa show very high correlation for F0 percentiles (r=0.993–0.999 for SSD, r=0.962–0.993 for HC), and OpenSMILE–Praat agrees almost as well for these percentiles. Yet F0 standard deviation has a negative correlation between OpenSMILE and Librosa (r=-0.536 for SSD), and formants F1–F3 are inconsistent across tools. The paper also reports that correlation patterns differ between diagnostic groups, with statistically significant differences for F0 mean, HNR mean, and amplitude percentiles, and that in single-tool classification OpenSMILE-extracted F0 mean, HNR, and MFCC1 reach AUC above 0.75 for separating SSD from HC. These results are presented as evidence that toolkit choice is a source of uncontrolled variance in clinical speech analysis.
Load-bearing premise
The paper equates high Pearson correlation between two toolkits' outputs with cross-toolkit consistency, but Pearson r does not measure absolute agreement: one toolkit could be a scaled and offset version of another and still register near-perfect correlation.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Studies that rely on a single toolkit for features like F0 standard deviation or formants may reach conclusions that another toolkit would not reproduce.
- F0 percentiles are the most portable feature type across toolkits, making them a safer default for multi-site or longitudinal clinical studies.
- Negative cross-toolkit correlations imply that combining features from different toolkits into one model could inject inverted signals, not merely additive noise.
- Transparent reporting of toolkit names, versions, and parameter values becomes a necessary condition for reproducibility in clinical speech research.
- Multi-toolkit cross-validation should be considered a standard step before any acoustic feature is used as a clinical marker.
Reading between the lines
- The paper's consistency criterion is Pearson correlation, which tracks linear association rather than absolute agreement; a toolkit that returns a scaled and offset version of another tool's values would still show r near 1. Re-analyzing the same data with Bland-Altman limits of agreement or concordance correlation coefficients would test whether 'high correlation' actually means 'clinically inter
- Because the paper computes correlations within each diagnostic group and finds group differences, an unstated implication is that toolkit agreement itself may be population-dependent; a feature validated on healthy controls might not transfer to a clinical group, and vice versa.
- The paper's warning about deep embeddings masking extraction inconsistencies suggests a testable extension: feed the same audio to an embedding model and check whether downstream predictions vary with the front-end preprocessing toolkit, not just with the embedding weights.
- A practical protocol implied by the findings is to report a per-feature 'toolkit consistency profile' before publishing clinical results, so that features with low cross-toolkit agreement are flagged as unreliable.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper compares three acoustic feature extraction toolkits—OpenSMILE, Praat (via Parselmouth), and Librosa—applied to clinical speech recordings from individuals with schizophrenia spectrum disorders and healthy controls. After aligning extraction parameters across toolkits, the authors compute Pearson correlations between toolkit pairs for each feature, report group-wise correlation patterns, and evaluate the discriminative potential of selected features with ROC AUC. The central empirical claim is that cross-toolkit agreement is feature-dependent: F0 percentiles correlate highly across toolkits, while F0 standard deviation, formants, and several other measures correlate poorly or even negatively, leading to recommendations for standardized protocols, multi-toolkit validation, and transparent reporting in clinical speech analysis.
Significance. If the central claim is established, the paper addresses a genuine and practically important reproducibility problem: clinical speech researchers routinely use different feature extraction toolkits, and uncontrolled toolkit differences could explain contradictory findings across studies. The manuscript has clear strengths: it uses a real clinical dataset, attempts to standardize parameters across three widely used toolkits, and reports correlation results for a broad set of clinically relevant features. The recommendation to report tool versions, parameters, and multi-toolkit validation is sensible and actionable. However, the quantitative support for the central claim is weakened by an unresolved sample-size inconsistency between the abstract and the full text, the use of Pearson correlation as a proxy for agreement, post-hoc outlier trimming with an unclear rule, and in-sample AUC labeling without multiple-comparison control. These issues are fixable, but they currently leave the main feature-reliability dichotomy less well established than the text suggests.
major comments (4)
- [Abstract and §3.1] The abstract reports N=77 SSD and N=87 HC participants, whereas §3.1 and the rest of the full text report N=33 SSD and N=38 HC. Every correlation coefficient, Fisher z comparison, and AUC value in §4 depends on this N, so the inconsistency affects all quantitative results. Please correct the abstract and re-verify every statistic; if the larger numbers come from a different analysis or a different data release, state that explicitly.
- [§3.5 and §4] The paper uses Pearson correlation to 'assess agreement' and then partitions features into reliable (F0 percentiles) and unreliable (F0 SD, formants). Pearson r measures linear association, not absolute agreement: one toolkit can be an affine or nonlinear transform of another while still yielding r near 1. Conversely, a narrow participant-level range can keep r low even when absolute differences are small and clinically irrelevant. To support the reliable/unreliable dichotomy, report Bland-Altman limits of agreement, intraclass correlation, or mean absolute error, together with per-toolkit means and standard deviations. Without such metrics, the conclusion that F0 percentiles are interchangeable across toolkits is not established.
- [§4, Figure 1] The results are described as 'after removing outliers at the 25th and 75th percentiles.' This is not a standard outlier rule and is ambiguous: it could mean deleting values below the 25th and above the 75th percentile, using a 1.5×IQR fence, or winsorizing. Post-hoc trimming can substantially change Pearson correlations, especially in small samples. Please specify the exact rule, report how many observations were removed per feature and toolkit, and show whether the main conclusions hold without trimming.
- [§3.5 and §4] Many pairwise correlations are tested across features, toolkit pairs, and diagnostic groups, yet all p-values are reported against uncorrected thresholds. The Fisher's r-to-z comparisons mentioned in §3.5 are not reported in detail; §4 only states that differences were 'statistically significant (p<0.05) in features such as F0 mean, HNR mean, and amplitude percentiles.' Additionally, the AUC values in §4 are computed without any description of train/validation splitting or cross-validation, so they are in-sample and should be labeled as descriptive discrimination indices rather than predictive classification performance. Please add multiple-comparison control or clearly label the analysis as exploratory, and report the Fisher z results or remove that claim.
minor comments (6)
- [§4] The text says 'Amplitude mean shows strong correlation between OpenSMILE and Librosa ... but poorer agreement with Praat (r=-0.052 for SSD vs Librosa, p>0.05; r=0.425 for HC vs Librosa, p<0.001).' The phrase 'vs Librosa' is confusing; it appears to report the correlation between Praat and Librosa. Please clarify the notation consistently throughout.
- [Abstract and §4] The abstract says 'AUC greater than 0.70' for F0 mean, HNR, and MFCC1, while §4 says 'AUC values above 0.75, particularly when extracted using OpenSMILE.' Please reconcile these thresholds and report the actual AUC values with confidence intervals.
- [§3.3] The manuscript does not state the toolkit versions (e.g., OpenSMILE version, Praat/Parselmouth version, Librosa version) or the exact eGeMAPS version used. Since tool-version differences are a known source of variation, please report them for reproducibility.
- [Figure 1] The figure caption says empty cells indicate toolkit pairs not available for specific features, but the main text does not explain why some feature/toolkit pairs are unavailable. Please state the reason (e.g., a toolkit does not implement a given feature) in the caption or in §3.3.
- [§3.4] The sentence 'Amplitude captures the perceived intensity of speech' conflates an acoustic measure with a perceptual one. Consider saying 'intensity' or 'RMS energy' and noting the distinction from perceived loudness.
- [General] The manuscript does not include a data or code availability statement. For a reproducibility-focused comparison, providing the extraction pipeline and the extracted feature values would substantially strengthen the contribution.
Circularity Check
No circular derivation chain: the cross-toolkit comparison is empirical and self-contained, with only a minor non-load-bearing self-citation.
full rationale
This paper makes no derivational claim that could collapse into its own input. The central result is an empirical comparison: the same clinical recordings are fed to three toolkits under aligned parameters, and the reported Pearson correlations and AUC values are summary statistics of the observed outputs. No parameter is fitted to a subset and then renamed a prediction, and no equation defines a toolkit's feature in terms of the target result. The only self-citation found is reference [35] (Shellikeri et al., with co-author S. Cho), used in Section 3.4 solely to motivate the clinical relevance of formant ratios; it is not load-bearing for the comparison. The notable weaknesses are statistical rather than circular: Pearson r measures linear association rather than interchangeability (Sections 3.5 and 4), and the abstract's 77 SSD/87 HC contradicts Section 3.1's 33 SSD/38 HC, which is an internal-consistency/correctness issue. Neither weakness constitutes circularity. Given the incidental self-citation and the otherwise self-contained empirical analysis, a circularity score of 1 is appropriate.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (2)
- Outlier trimming thresholds =
25th and 75th percentiles
- AUC threshold for 'good discrimination' =
0.70 (later 0.75)
assumptions (4)
- domain assumption Standardized extraction parameters make the three toolkits' outputs comparable, so residual differences reflect implementation differences rather than configuration differences.
- domain assumption Pearson correlation is an appropriate measure of agreement or reliability.
- ad hoc to paper The outlier removal procedure does not materially bias the reported correlations.
- domain assumption Statistical significance at p<0.05 is reliable without correction for the large number of correlations tested.
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read the original abstract
This study compares three acoustic feature extraction toolkits (OpenSMILE, Praat, and Librosa) applied to clinical speech data from individuals with schizophrenia spectrum disorders (SSD) and healthy controls (HC). By standardizing extraction parameters across the toolkits, we analyzed speech samples from 77 SSD and 87 HC participants and found significant toolkit-dependent variations. While F0 percentiles showed high cross-toolkit correlation (r=0.962 to 0.999), measures like F0 standard deviation and formant values often had poor, even negative, agreement. Additionally, correlation patterns differed between SSD and HC groups. Classification analysis identified F0 mean, HNR, and MFCC1 (AUC greater than 0.70) as promising discriminators. These findings underscore reproducibility concerns and advocate for standardized protocols, multi-toolkit cross-validation, and transparent reporting.
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Comparative Evaluation of Acoustic Feature Extraction Tools for Clinical Speech Analysis
Methods 3.1. Data collection Participants diagnosed with schizophrenia spectrum disorders (SSD; N = 33, females = 24.7%, mean age = 35.92) were en- rolled from both inpatient and outpatient departments at a hos- pital in the US. Participants underwent screening using the psy- chosis and mood modules of the Structured Clinical Interview arXiv:2506.01129v2 ...
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Results The correlation analysis reveals distinct patterns of agreement between the three feature extraction tools. Figure 1 presents the correlation matrix for both the SSD and HC groups after removing outliers at the 25th and 75th percentiles. For F0 percentile measurements, we observe remarkably high correlations, particularly between OpenSMILE and Li-...
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