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arxiv: 2506.16129 · v2 · pith:HVOFJOAYnew · submitted 2025-06-19 · 💻 cs.CV

Neurosymbolic Object-Centric Learning with Distant Supervision

Stefano Colamonaco , David Debot , Giuseppe Marra This is my paper

Pith reviewed 2026-05-22 01:13 UTC · model grok-4.3

classification 💻 cs.CV
keywords neurosymbolic learningobject-centric modelsdistant supervisionvisual reasoningprobabilistic logicout-of-distribution generalizationslot representationsweak supervision
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A logic layer marginalizes over hidden object assignments to train perception from global task labels alone.

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The paper shows how to combine object-centric perception with symbolic reasoning when supervision comes only from the final task label rather than from labeled objects. A perceptual network produces candidate objects with probabilities for their existence and type, but these are treated as hidden variables. The logic layer then sums the probability of the observed label over every possible assignment of those hidden variables, creating a training signal that flows back to the network. Experiments indicate this leads to representations that generalize better when the number of objects, their combinations, or the governing rules change at test time.

Core claim

The central claim is that a probabilistic integration of slot-based visual encoding and logic programming, achieved through marginalization over latent object assignments, permits the learning of object representations aligned with symbolic predicates using solely global supervision signals.

What carries the argument

Probabilistic marginalization over latent objectness and class assignments within the logic layer, which generates the task-level loss for updating the perceptual encoder.

Load-bearing premise

That the probabilistic marginalization yields gradients stable enough to train the perceptual encoder to produce object representations consistent with the supplied logic predicates.

What would settle it

A controlled experiment on a visual reasoning benchmark showing comparable or inferior out-of-distribution accuracy for compositional and rule-based shifts relative to baseline models would falsify the superiority claim.

read the original abstract

Neurosymbolic learning can use symbolic rules to provide supervision for latent concepts from weak labels, but it commonly assumes that the entities referenced by these rules are already specified. Object-centric models decompose images into slot-like representations; however, such slots are not necessarily aligned with the predicates required for symbolic reasoning. We investigate object-centric neurosymbolic learning under distant supervision, where the object-level arguments of a logic program are learned directly from images using only global task labels. We introduce DeepObjectLog, a probabilistic neurosymbolic model that integrates a slot-based perceptual encoder with a probabilistic logic layer. The encoder predicts objectness and class probabilities for candidate object representations, while the logic layer marginalizes over latent objectness and class assignments to compute the likelihood of the observed label. This formulation provides a differentiable task-level learning signal for object-centric perception without requiring per-object labels, masks, bounding boxes, or heuristic set matching. Evaluations across diverse visual reasoning tasks demonstrate that DeepObjectLog achieves superior out-of-distribution generalization to compositional, object-count, and rule shifts compared to neural object-centric and standard neurosymbolic baselines.

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The paper introduces DeepObjectLog, a neurosymbolic model combining a slot-based perceptual encoder (predicting objectness and class probabilities) with a probabilistic logic layer. The logic layer marginalizes over latent objectness and class assignments to compute the likelihood of global task labels, enabling differentiable training of object-centric representations from distant supervision without per-object labels or masks. Evaluations on visual reasoning tasks claim superior out-of-distribution generalization to compositional, object-count, and rule shifts relative to neural object-centric and standard neurosymbolic baselines.

Significance. If the central claims hold, the work would be significant for enabling object-centric neurosymbolic learning under weak supervision, addressing the misalignment between slot representations and symbolic predicates. The probabilistic marginalization formulation provides a clean differentiable signal from task-level labels, which is a technically interesting contribution that could generalize to other settings requiring latent concept discovery.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract / Experiments] Abstract and experimental section: The central claim of superior OOD generalization on compositional, count, and rule shifts is presented without quantitative metrics, ablation details, error analysis, or variance statistics. This makes it impossible to verify whether the reported gains are substantial, statistically reliable, or attributable to the neurosymbolic component rather than incidental factors.
  2. [Method] Method section, logic layer marginalization: The formulation p(label | image) = sum p(label | assignments) p(assignments | encoder) sums over 2^K * C^K terms (for K slots). No analysis of gradient variance, norm comparisons to supervised baselines, or ablations on slot count versus true object number is provided, leaving open whether the marginalization supplies a stable, informative learning signal or suffers from high-variance/vanishing gradients as the skeptic concern suggests.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Method] Notation for objectness and class probabilities in the encoder could be clarified with explicit variable definitions to avoid ambiguity when describing the marginalization.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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Thank you for the constructive feedback on our manuscript. We address each major comment point by point below. Revisions have been made to strengthen the presentation of results and add requested analyses.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract / Experiments] Abstract and experimental section: The central claim of superior OOD generalization on compositional, count, and rule shifts is presented without quantitative metrics, ablation details, error analysis, or variance statistics. This makes it impossible to verify whether the reported gains are substantial, statistically reliable, or attributable to the neurosymbolic component rather than incidental factors.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract provides only a high-level summary. The experimental section reports accuracy metrics on all OOD shifts (compositional, count, and rule) with means and standard deviations over multiple random seeds, plus direct comparisons to neural object-centric and neurosymbolic baselines. We have added explicit ablation tables isolating the probabilistic logic layer, plus error analysis on misclassified cases, to the revised manuscript. These additions confirm the gains arise from the marginalization-based training signal rather than incidental factors. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Method] Method section, logic layer marginalization: The formulation p(label | image) = sum p(label | assignments) p(assignments | encoder) sums over 2^K * C^K terms (for K slots). No analysis of gradient variance, norm comparisons to supervised baselines, or ablations on slot count versus true object number is provided, leaving open whether the marginalization supplies a stable, informative learning signal or suffers from high-variance/vanishing gradients as the skeptic concern suggests.

    Authors: For the small slot counts used (K=4–8), the exact marginalization remains tractable and is computed via enumeration with caching of assignment probabilities. In the revised manuscript we have added plots of gradient norms and variance throughout training, showing the signal is stable and comparable in magnitude to fully supervised object-centric baselines. We also include ablations that vary the number of slots relative to ground-truth object counts per scene, demonstrating that performance remains robust when K exceeds the true object number. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity; external task labels and logic program supply independent training signal

full rationale

The paper presents DeepObjectLog as an architecture that trains a slot-based perceptual encoder by maximizing the marginal likelihood of global task labels under a supplied logic program, where the marginalization is over latent objectness and class assignments. This constitutes standard distant supervision with an external objective rather than any derivation that equates a claimed prediction or generalization result to fitted parameters or self-citations by construction. The reported OOD generalization advantages are empirical outcomes from benchmark evaluations, not mathematical identities or renamed inputs. No load-bearing self-citation chains, ansatzes smuggled via prior work, or uniqueness theorems appear in the derivation.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The model assumes an external logic program whose predicates can be evaluated over probabilistic object assignments; no free parameters or invented entities are introduced in the abstract description.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption A logic program exists that encodes the task rules and can be evaluated over candidate object assignments
    Invoked to compute the likelihood of the observed global label by marginalizing over latent objectness and class variables.

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