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Topological Electronic and phononic chiral edge states in SiTc Crystal

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Pith's one-line read SiTc is a chiral crystal in which symmetry-protected multifold nodes, Weyl points, Fermi arcs, and large spin Hall conductivity in the electrons are mirrored by topological nodes and surface arcs in the phonons.

desk verdict The phonon half of the coexistence claim needs a quantitative band-isolation check before I'd trust the surface arcs; the electronic side is standard, plausible, and internally consistent. read the letter →

arxiv 2506.23598 v1 pith:LLE7K6D6 submitted 2025-06-30 cond-mat.mtrl-sci

Shivendra Kumar Gupta , Saurabh Kumar Sen , Nagarjuna Patra , Ajit Singh Jhala , Poorva Singh This is my paper · ORCID
classification cond-mat.mtrl-sci PACS 71.20.-b63.20.-e72.25.-b73.43.-f
keywords SiTcchiralcrystalmultifoldfermionstopologicalphononsWeylpointsFermiarcsspinHallconductivityspacegroup198
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The reading

This paper argues that the already-synthesized chiral crystal SiTc is a rare material that is topologically nontrivial in both its electronic and its vibrational (phononic) spectra at the same time. Using density functional theory plus symmetry analysis, it identifies protected multifold band crossings at high-symmetry points Γ and R, Weyl points with balanced chirality, open Fermi arcs, and sizable spin Hall conductivity in the electrons, and matching three-fold and four-fold nodes with chiral surface arcs in the phonons. If the predictions hold, SiTc would be a single platform for studying coupled electronic and phononic topology and for spin-transport applications.

What carries the argument

The argument is carried by a symmetry analysis of the non-symmorphic screw rotations and three-fold rotations of space group 198: at Γ the screw operators commute and square to +1 in the spinless case, producing a three-dimensional irreducible representation, while at R they anticommute and square to −1, forcing a four-fold spinless degeneracy and, with spin-orbit coupling, a six-fold one. The same group-theoretic constraints are then applied to the phonon bands, whose degeneracies are governed by identical crystalline symmetries, and Wannier-interpolated tight-binding models are used to extract surface states, Fermi arcs, Berry curvature, and spin Berry curvature.

What would settle it

Compare the Wannier-interpolated phonon bands directly against the density-functional-perturbation-theory phonon dispersion across the full Brillouin zone; if the 12–13 THz branches overlap or entangle with lower branches, recompute the Chern numbers and surface arcs from the full phonon Hamiltonian and check whether the claimed topology survives.

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Core claim

The central claim is that in SiTc (chiral cubic space group 198), symmetry-enforced band degeneracies come in matched electronic and phononic versions. In the electron spectrum without spin-orbit coupling, the Γ point carries a three-fold (spin-1) node and the R point a four-fold (double spin-1/2) node; with spin-orbit coupling these become four-fold at Γ and six-fold at R, plus Weyl nodes labeled W1–W6 whose chiralities sum to zero across the Brillouin zone. The paper computes surface states with open Fermi arcs and Berry curvature consistent with those nodes, and a spin Hall conductivity whose dominant contributions come from near the multifold nodes. In the phonon spectrum it identifies a three-fold node at Γ and a four-fold charge-2 Dirac node at R in the 12–13 THz range, with surface Fermi arcs connecting nodes of chirality ±2. The conclusion is that SiTc simultaneously hosts topological fermionic and bosonic excitations.

Load-bearing premise

The topological phonon claims rest on the assumption that the uppermost three phonon bands (12–13 THz) are genuinely separate from all lower vibrational bands, so the computed Chern numbers and surface arcs are not contaminated by mixing with other branches.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • SiTc should show open chiral Fermi arcs on (001) surfaces connecting the Weyl and multifold nodes, with mirrored arcs on the upper and lower surfaces.
  • The intrinsic spin Hall conductivity is sizable, reaching about 258–291 ℏ/e for the computed components at shifted chemical potentials, so SiTc could act as a spin-current source.
  • Phonons in the 12–13 THz window should exhibit chiral surface modes and long open Fermi arcs in the phononic spectrum, robust against backscattering.
  • Because the total chiral charge in the electronic Brillouin zone sums to zero, any chirality-driven transport signatures must originate from Fermi-arc surface states rather than net bulk chirality.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Beyond the paper, the same symmetry relations should predict multifold topological phonons in other binary compounds with space group 198, so the set of candidate materials could be expanded by screening existing crystal databases.
  • The near-Fermi multifold nodes and large spin Berry curvature suggest that strain or doping could tune the chemical potential onto a four-fold or six-fold node to maximize the spin Hall response, an extension the paper only partially explores through shifted chemical potentials.
  • A natural experimental test would combine angle-resolved photoemission for the electronic Fermi arcs with inelastic X-ray scattering or time-domain phonon spectroscopy for the phononic arcs; clean surface preparation of SiTc would be the main technical obstacle.
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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript presents first-principles density functional theory and symmetry-based analyses of the chiral compound SiTc (space group 198). It reports electronic multifold nodes at Γ and R in the absence of spin-orbit coupling (three-fold and four-fold, respectively) and with spin-orbit coupling (four-fold and six-fold, respectively), Weyl points W1-W6 with chiralities that sum to zero, surface Fermi arcs, Berry curvature distributions, and computed spin Hall conductivity. On the phononic side, it reports three-fold and four-fold bosonic nodes at Γ and R in a selected 12-13 THz window and claims chiral surface phonon Fermi arcs connecting these nodes. The central claim is that SiTc simultaneously hosts topological fermionic and bosonic excitations, making it a candidate for exploring the interplay between electronic and phononic topology.

Significance. If fully substantiated, the coexistence of topological electronic and phononic excitations in a single synthesized chiral material would be of genuine interest for transport, thermoelectric, and possible device applications. The electronic analysis is carried out with standard methods (VASP, Wannier90, WannierTools), includes a check of the Nielsen-Ninomiya theorem, and provides explicit numerical values for spin Hall conductivity. The phononic part is novel but is the weaker half of the paper, because the topological assignment rests on an unquantified frequency window and an unvalidated Wannier interpolation. The manuscript would benefit from a focused revision that validates the phononic topology and resolves internal inconsistencies in the symmetry analysis.

major comments (3)
  1. [Symmetry Analysis] The symmetry analysis contains a direct internal contradiction in the commutation relations used for the Γ point. In the first paragraph, the screw symmetries S2y and S2z are stated to commute, [S2y, S2z] = 0, with S2y^2 = I and S2z^2 = I, while the later paragraph on spin-orbit coupling states that "The screw symmetries S2y and S2z anticommute and square to -I." Both statements are used to derive the allowed degeneracies at Γ. The authors must clarify that these relations depend on whether the spinless or spinful representation is being considered, and then provide a consistent derivation of the four-fold degeneracy in the presence of SOC. As written, the conflicting statements undermine the symmetry-protection argument that is central to the paper.
  2. [Phononic Topology (Fig. 6)] The topological phononic results rely on the assertion that the selected uppermost phonon bands in the 12-13 THz range are "well separated bands," but no quantitative justification is provided. The manuscript does not give the minimum direct gap between this manifold and the lower phonon branches anywhere in the Brillouin zone, does not compare the Wannier-interpolated bands used for the surface and Berry-curvature calculations with the original DFPT phonon dispersion, and reports no band-entanglement or localization analysis. If the chosen manifold hybridizes with lower branches, the Wannier interpolation can produce incorrect Berry curvature, incorrect Chern numbers, and spurious surface arcs. This validation is essential because the phononic topology is half of the paper's central coexistence claim.
  3. [Phononic Topology (Fig. 7)] The paper assigns chirality -2 to the phononic Γ node and +2 to the phononic R node and shows surface Fermi arcs connecting them, but no direct calculation of the Chern number or Berry flux for the phonon manifold is presented. The authors should report the computed topological charges of the selected 12-13 THz manifold and demonstrate that these charges are stable under the Wannier interpolation. Without this, the assignment of the arcs' endpoints and the claim that the Γ and R nodes carry opposite chirality of ±2 are not established.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Results and Discussion (lattice parameter)] The comparison of the optimized lattice parameter (a=4.78 Å) with experiment cites Ref. [42], which is titled "The structure of HfSn." This reference does not appear to pertain to SiTc; please verify the correct experimental source for SiTc or correct the citation.
  2. [Phononic Topology (Fig. 7)] The phrase "longest possible chiral open Fermi arc" is an overclaim, since no comparison with other materials or a quantitative definition of "longest" is provided. Please replace it with a more modest descriptor such as "long Fermi arc" or provide the supporting comparison.
  3. [Electronic surface states (Fig. 4)] The text says the Fermi arcs originate "from above and below Weyl points of the Γ point and not exectly from Γ point," which is consistent with the earlier statement that the Γ node carries no net chirality; however, the phrasing is confusing. Please reword to state explicitly that the arc endpoints are the nearby Weyl points, not the Γ point itself.
  4. [Throughout] The manuscript contains numerous typographical and grammatical errors, including "preformed," "seprated," "exectly," "corrosponding," "inculsion," "degenarte," "intrested," "upermost," and "hemiltonian." A thorough proofreading is needed.
  5. [Phononic Topology] The sentence "As the phononic system do not follow the pauli exclusion principle, allow to show the topological properties to entire frequency range" is unclear and grammatically incorrect; please rewrite it to explain the intended point about phonons not being constrained by fermionic statistics.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the topological claims rest on independent symmetry analysis and first-principles calculations, not on fitted inputs or self-citations.

full rationale

The paper's electronic topology is derived from explicit group-theoretic arguments (commutation and anticommutation of screw symmetries and time-reversal constraints at the Gamma and R points) and then confirmed by first-principles DFT and MLWF-based surface calculations. The Weyl chirality assignments are checked against the Nielsen-Ninomiya no-go theorem, and the total chirality sums to zero, so the chiral charges are not imposed by construction. The phononic analysis uses the same symmetry reasoning applied to the phonon bands, and the selection of the 12–13 THz manifold is a stated choice of the band window, not a fitted parameter that predetermines the claimed Chern numbers or Fermi arcs. While the phonon Wannier interpolation would benefit from a quantitative gap and entanglement check, that is a robustness concern, not a circular reduction. The only self-citation (ref. 20, an HER roadmap) appears in contextual catalysis remarks and is not load-bearing for the topological claims. No step in the derivation chain reduces, by the paper's own equations or by self-citation, to its inputs.

Assumptions & free parameters 1 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The predictions depend on standard DFT plus group-theoretic symmetry analysis; no new physical entities are introduced. The main ad hoc input is the phonon frequency window, and the central domain assumption is that GGA and harmonic phonons are quantitatively reliable for this Tc-containing chiral crystal.

free parameters (1)
  • Phonon frequency window = 12 to 13 THz
    The phonon topology analysis is restricted to the uppermost phonon branches in this window, selected post hoc as 'well separated'; lower-frequency branches are not analyzed.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption Kohn-Sham DFT with GGA and PAW pseudopotentials describes SiTc electronic structure accurately.
    All band topology and spin Hall conductivity results derive from this DFT ground state; no hybrid functionals or GW corrections are applied.
  • domain assumption Harmonic lattice dynamics (DFPT) captures the phonon modes whose topology is analyzed.
    Phonon dispersion and surface arcs are computed in the harmonic approximation; anharmonicity is neglected.
  • ad hoc to paper The phonon branches in the 12 to 13 THz window are isolated enough for well-defined band Chern numbers.
    The statement that these bands are 'well separated' is asserted without quantifying the gaps or checking band entanglement.
  • standard math Nielsen-Ninomiya theorem applies, so total chirality in the Brillouin zone must vanish.
    The paper uses this to validate its Weyl node chirality counts.
  • standard math Time-reversal symmetry and Kramers theorem constrain degeneracies in the nonmagnetic, SOC-included case.
    Used in the symmetry analysis of the Γ and R points for spinful electrons.

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Topological materials hosting multifold fermions and bosons have emerged as a rich platform for exploring unconventional quasiparticles and transport phenomena. In this work, we investigate the chiral crystal SiTc using first-principles density functional theory and symmetry-based analysis to explore its topological electronic and phononic properties. Our study identifies multiple high-fold degeneracies and topological nodes in both the electronic band structure and phonon dispersion. We have analyzed the impact of spin-orbit coupling on the evolution of band crossing and identified Weyl points and their associated chiralities. Surface electronic states, Fermi arcs, Berry curvature distributions, and intrinsic spin Hall conductivity are computed to probe the topological response. On the phononic side, we uncover topologically nontrivial bosonic modes and corresponding longest possible Fermi arc features. These results establish SiTc as a promising candidate that simultaneously hosts topological fermionic and bosonic excitations, offering new opportunities for investigating the interplay between electronic and phononic topology.

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Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4. (a) Surface electronic band structure of the upper [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_4.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: FIG. 6. (a) Phonon band structure of the SiTc crystal, con [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_6.png]

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