REVIEW 3 major objections 4 minor 93 references
A neural-network ensemble finds 811 new strong lens candidates in the DESI Legacy Surveys DR10, most of them in sky already searched by earlier programs.
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A neural-network ensemble plus human grading yields 811 new strong gravitational lens candidates in DESI Legacy Surveys DR10.
T0 review reviewed 2026-08-05 challenge →
load-bearing objection A solid, incremental lens-catalog paper: the new DR10 footprint and 811 candidates are useful, but the Grade C majority has an unquantified false-positive rate and the abstract overstates the count. the 3 major comments →
Strong Lens Discoveries in DESI Legacy Imaging Surveys DR10 with Two Deep Learning Architectures
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
Core claim
The central discovery is a new catalog of 811 strong gravitational lens candidates, compiled by ranking neural-network recommendations and subjecting the top 5,680 images (after removing 1,102 known systems) to human inspection. The candidates include 90 grade A systems, 104 grade B, and 617 grade C. The search covers the DECam footprint of the Legacy Surveys DR10, about 14,000 square degrees, and uses a z-band magnitude cut of 20 for the central galaxy. The paper further finds that 484 of the new candidates fall inside the previously searched DR9 footprint and 327 in the newly added DR10 area. Combined with the previous three searches, the group reports a total of 3,868 new strong lens cand
What carries the argument
The key machinery is a two-model neural ensemble: a shielded residual network (ResNet) with 194,433 trainable parameters and an EfficientNetV2 with about 20.5 million parameters, both trained on the same 1372 lenses and high-grade candidates plus 134,182 nonlenses (a 100:1 nonlens-to-lens ratio). Their output probabilities are combined by a feature-weighted stacking meta-learner, a one-layer 300-node network that learns the optimal weighting of the two base models. This ensemble is deployed on cutouts centered on all non-PSF galaxies with z<20 mag; the top 0.01 percentile of ensemble scores is then visually inspected using a portal that displays the co-added image plus the separate g, r, and
Load-bearing premise
The headline count of 811 candidates rests on the assumption that the faint, small features seen in the 26-arcsecond cutouts at roughly 1.1 to 1.3 arcsecond seeing are real lensed arcs rather than aligned background galaxies or asymmetric structure, and this is least secure for the 617 Grade C systems.
What would settle it
Take a random sample of the Grade C candidates (and a smaller sample of Grade A and B) and obtain higher-resolution imaging with HST or JWST or integral-field spectroscopy. If a substantial fraction of Grade C systems show no lensed source, no counter-image, and no additional arc features at the higher resolution, the 811 count overestimates the true yield, and the paper's conclusion that the searched footprint still holds hundreds of new lenses would be weakened.
If this is right
- If the catalog holds up, it provides more than 800 new targets for spectroscopy and high-resolution imaging, several hundred of which can be used to study galaxy dark matter halos and substructure.
- The 484 candidates found inside the well-searched DR9 footprint imply that prior searches systematically missed a population of smaller, fainter, or bluer arcs; a complete census of strong lenses in this footprint is not yet complete.
- The demonstration that a two-architecture ensemble with a meta-learner outperforms either model alone suggests a reusable recipe for future wide-field surveys such as LSST, Euclid, and Roman.
- The increased nonlens-to-lens training ratio and the use of separate bands for visual inspection improve the purity of the candidate list relative to earlier searches in the series, as reported by the grade-by-type purity numbers.
- The paper's claim that it is the first catalog covering nearly the entire extragalactic sky south of declination +32 degrees establishes a reference sample for studies of lens statistics and the selection function of strong lenses.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If Grade C candidates are heavily contaminated by aligned background galaxies or asymmetric structure, the headline count of 811 substantially overstates the true number of strong lenses; the paper itself notes that Grade C systems need deeper or higher-resolution data to reach higher certainty, so the safe interpretable yield is closer to the 194 A and B grades.
- The success of the ensemble in re-finding lenses in previously searched regions hints that other catalogs compiled from the same imaging may contain a comparable hidden population, and that cross-search comparisons of selection functions could recover more lenses without new observations.
- A testable extension is to measure the contamination rate of the Grade C sample by obtaining Hubble or JWST imaging or spectroscopy for a random subset; the fraction that resolve into genuine lensed arcs would directly calibrate the false-positive rate of the entire visual-inspection pipeline.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. This paper, the fourth in the authors' series of strong-lens searches in the DESI Legacy Surveys, applies a ResNet and an EfficientNet (combined by a meta-learner) to ~43 million non-PSF galaxy cutouts in the DR10 DECaLS footprint with z < 20 mag. The top 0.01% of ensemble predictions are visually inspected with a new portal that shows co-added and individual g/r/z bands. After removing known lenses and candidates, the authors report 811 new lens candidates: 90 Grade A, 104 Grade B, and 617 Grade C, of which 484 lie in the previously searched DR9 footprint. They also combine the new candidates with Papers I-III to claim a total of 3,868 new candidates. The training set is a compilation of known lenses and previous high-grade candidates plus ~134,000 nonlenses; the new candidates are not in the training set, so I see no circularity in the ML pipeline itself.
Significance. If the candidate catalog is reliable, this is a substantial contribution to the strong-lens search literature: it extends the searched footprint to nearly the full DECaLS area, demonstrates that new high-grade candidates can still be found in previously mined regions, and introduces a useful two-model ensemble plus per-band visual inspection. The paper is transparent about its Grade definitions and acknowledges the need for follow-up for Grade C objects. However, the quantitative value of the paper is currently limited by three issues: the headline count is dominated by Grade C candidates with no false-positive calibration; the purity numbers in Table 5 rest on an unverified scaling assumption and lack uncertainties; and the catalog itself is not provided in machine-readable form. These are fixable, and the underlying search methodology is sound, so the contribution would be valuable after revision.
major comments (3)
- [§3.3.1 / §4.1 / Table 4] The headline '811 new lens candidates' is dominated by 617 Grade C objects (76%). By the paper's own definition, Grade C features are 'even fainter and/or smaller' than Grade B, often lack a discernible counter-image, and can have angular scales comparable to or only slightly larger than the seeing. The only evidence for these objects is the visual grading of 26" cutouts by two graders. The text says 'we report the average and difference of the results of these two graders' (§3.3.1), but no such statistics appear anywhere in the manuscript. There is also no blind control sample of nonlenses and no external validation. Because Grade C dominates the count, the unquantified false-positive rate of this class is load-bearing for the abstract's unqualified '811'. Please either calibrate the Grade C false-positive rate (e.g., by re-grading a subsample with higher-resolution data or spectroscopy
- [§5 / Table 5] The purity values in Table 5 are not measured purities. The authors inspected only 4,578 threshold-passing recommendations after removing 1,102 known systems, so the '1 in 5 SER' etc. numbers are derived by 'scaling the grade distribution of new candidates to known ones' under the assumption that new and rediscovered candidates share the same grade distribution. This assumption is unverified, and the known systems come from heterogeneous literature searches with different selection functions. No uncertainties are shown, and the conclusion (§6) repeats these as an 'increase in purity' relative to Paper III. Please report the actual inspected-set yields with error bars, state the scaling assumption explicitly, or remove the quantitative purity claims.
- [§4.1] The paper's main deliverable is the catalog of 811 candidates, but the manuscript contains only counts and figures; the coordinates and properties of the candidates are not given in a table. Only a small number of examples (Figures 8 and 9) have coordinates in their labels. A catalog paper should include a machine-readable table of all candidates (at minimum RA, Dec, grade, Tractor type, and redshift) either in the paper or as a journal ancillary file. As written, the central contribution is not accessible from the paper itself.
minor comments (4)
- [§4.2 / Figure 11] The total number of candidates from the four searches is given as 4,869 in §4.2 and in the Figure 11 caption, while the abstract and Section 6 state 3,868. Since 335 + 1,210 + 1,512 + 811 = 3,868, the 4,869 figure appears to be a typo and should be corrected consistently.
- [§3.3.1] The deployment threshold is described as 'the top 0.01 percentile', but 5,680 / 43,000,000 ≈ 0.013%, not 0.01%. Please make the percentile statement consistent with the actual number of recommendations.
- [§5] The meta-learner is described as advancing the ensemble method, but Figure 6 shows identical AUC for the meta-learner and simple averaging. This is acknowledged later in §5, but the earlier framing ('provides a more systematic approach') is somewhat overstated; consider tempering the language or showing a metric where the meta-learner helps.
- [§3.3.1] The grading scheme is subjective, but the procedure for resolving disagreements between CS and XH is not described. Please state how disagreements were settled (e.g., lower grade, discussion, or average) and report the number of disagreements or the inter-rater agreement.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: catalog is generated by human inspection of model recommendations, not by a fitted parameter.
full rationale
The paper's central claim is a catalog of 811 visually-graded lens candidates, not a fitted physical quantity. The candidate count is produced by (i) training ResNet/EfficientNet on a fixed set of known lenses/nonlenses, (ii) applying the ensemble to ~43 million unseen cutouts, (iii) thresholding at the top 0.01% of meta-learner probabilities, and (iv) human grading of the 4578 images not matching known systems. None of these steps defines the output in terms of the input: the reported candidates were not in the training set, and the network's probability is not later reinterpreted as a lens confirmation. The AUC values (0.9984/0.9987/0.9989) are computed on a held-out split of the training labels and do not feed back into the candidate catalog. The purity estimates in Table 5 rest on an explicit assumption that new and rediscovered candidates share the same grade distribution; this is a modeling assumption rather than a derivation, and it is not the basis for the main '811' result. The paper does cite Papers I-III for the ResNet architecture and for 869 training lenses, but these are methodology/data reuse, not a self-citation used to prove the new candidates. Therefore, no circular step is exhibited.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (3)
- probability threshold for deployment =
0.9867 (meta-learner)
- nonlens-to-lens ratio in training =
100:1
- z-band magnitude cut =
20.0 AB mag
axioms (3)
- domain assumption The Tractor's morphological classification (SER, DEV, REX, EXP) correctly identifies galaxies suitable for lensing.
- domain assumption Known lens catalogs used for training and cross-matching are reliable enough to serve as positive labels.
- domain assumption Visual inspection of ground-based cutouts is a valid ground truth for identifying strong lens candidates.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Strong Lens Discoveries in DESI Legacy Imaging Surveys DR10 with Two Deep Learning Architectures." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/REZGSZVL
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abstract
We have conducted a search for strong gravitational lensing systems in the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument (DESI) Legacy Imaging Surveys Data Release 10 (DR10). This paper is the fourth in a series of searches (following Huang et al. 2020; Huang et al. 2021; Storfer et al. 2024, Paper I, II, & III respectively). This is the first catalog of lens candidates covering nearly the entirety of the extragalactic sky south of declination $\delta\approx +32$ deg, all of it observed by the DECam, covering $\sim$14,000 $deg^2$. We impose a $z$-band magnitude cut of < 20 in AB magnitude. We deploy a Residual Neural Network and EfficientNet as an ensemble trained on a compilation of known lensing systems and high-grade candidates as well as nonlenses in the same footprint. The predictions from these two base models are aggregated using a meta-learner. After applying our ensemble to the survey data, we exclude known candidates and systems, and use our own visual inspection portal to rank images in the top 0.01 percentile of all neural network recommendations. We have found 811 new lens candidates. These include 484 new candidates in the Legacy Surveys DR9 footprint, all parts of which have been searched for strong lenses at least once before, either by our group or others. Combining the discoveries from this work with those from Paper I (335), II (1210), and III (1512), we have discovered a total of 3868 new candidates in the DESI Legacy Surveys.
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