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Geometric phase-induced nuclear quantum interference is robust against quantum dissipation

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arxiv 2509.00526 v1 pith:BHSR22YQ submitted 2025-08-30 physics.chem-ph

Xiang Li , Bing Gu This is my paper · ORCID
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keywords geometricphaseconicalintersectionnuclearquantuminterferencenon-Markoviandissipationhierarchicalequationsofmotionlocaldiabaticrepresentationvibroniccouplingwavepacketdynamics
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The paper asks whether the destructive interference pattern created by a conical intersection's geometric phase can survive when the molecule is embedded in a dissipative environment. Using numerically exact simulations that combine a local diabatic representation with hierarchical equations of motion, it shows that the nodal line in the nuclear probability distribution remains intact for both vibrational and electronic baths, even under strong coupling and at elevated temperature. The key is a path-integral argument: for mirror-image pairs of paths around the conical intersection, the bath's influence functional cancels out of the interference, so the geometric-phase sign difference still enforces destructive interference. If this is right, geometric phase effects cannot be dismissed in condensed-phase chemistry, even when the environment strongly changes populations and relaxation rates.

What carries the argument

The central object is the local diabatic representation (LDR): a nuclear discrete-variable grid in which each grid point carries a fixed adiabatic electronic state evaluated at that geometry, so geometric phase enters through overlap matrices between neighbouring grid points while derivative-coupling singularities are avoided. Within LDR, path integrals give each electronic-nuclear path a dynamical action S and a geometric weight W[ξ(t)], and a Gaussian bath contributes a Feynman-Vernon influence functional F[Q(ξ(t)),Q(ξ′(t))]. The decisive step is that for reflection-symmetric path pairs surrounding the conical intersection, W[Γ+]+W[Γ−]=W[Γ−](1+e^{iπ})=0 and F is identical for the two paths

What would settle it

Repeat the same two-state simulation with a bath that couples to the coupling coordinate y, or with an asymmetric bath that breaks the y→−y reflection; if the nodal line washes out at large coupling strength or temperature, the robustness is conditional on symmetry rather than intrinsic to the geometric phase.

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Core claim

The paper claims that, although dissipation alters nonadiabatic transitions and the nuclear density distribution, the destructive interference pattern induced by geometric phase stays robust for both non-Markovian vibrational and electronic environments. In the path-integral picture, two adiabatic paths surrounding a conical intersection acquire a relative phase of π through the geometric weight W[ξ(t)], and when their dynamical actions are equal the amplitudes cancel. For a bosonic bath with linear coupling Q⊗X, the influence functional F depends on the trajectory of Q; for the vibrational bath Q=x and for the electronic bath Q=Π1, mirror-image paths Γ+ and Γ− give the same F. The influence

Load-bearing premise

The cancellation argument assumes that the two interfering paths and the bath coupling operator are mirror images under a reflection symmetry, and it is strictly valid only near a conical intersection; away from that regime, the robustness rests on the numerical simulations rather than on proof.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Bath-modified reaction rates and electronic populations can coexist with an intact geometric-phase node, so population dynamics alone is not a reliable proxy for whether geometric phase interference survives.
  • Condensed-phase nonadiabatic simulations that omit the geometric phase will miss a persistent destructive-interference feature rather than a small correction.
  • Vibrational relaxation and electronic dephasing affect the nuclear density and electron population differently, yet both leave the y=0 nodal line intact.
  • The survival of the node under asymmetric initial conditions indicates that the protection is topological, not a consequence of symmetric initial-state preparation.

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  • The cancellation mechanism implies that any bath operator that is even under the same reflection symmetry that pairs the two interfering paths should be geometric-phase preserving; mapping which system-bath couplings violate this condition would delimit the effect.
  • Because the analytic argument requires reflection symmetry and is only rigorously local to a conical intersection, strongly asymmetric solvation or a bath coupled directly to the inter-system mode y could erase the node; a systematic scan over bath-coupling geometries would test that boundary.
  • The same path-pair reasoning should extend to other topological phase factors, such as multiple conical intersections, suggesting that Gaussian dissipation cannot generically destroy topological interference, only alter its surrounding dynamics.
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Summary. The paper studies whether geometric-phase-induced destructive interference in the nuclear probability distribution, a hallmark of conical intersections, survives when the molecule is coupled to dissipative environments. The authors use a two-state, two-dimensional vibronic coupling model and propagate the system with a combination of the local diabatic representation (LDR) and the hierarchical equations of motion (HEOM). They consider both a vibrational bath (Q=x) and an electronic bath (Q=Π1), scanning coupling strength and temperature. The reported density plots show a nodal line along y=0 that persists under dissipation, including for an asymmetric initial wavepacket. The authors explain this by a Feynman path-integral argument: for reflection-symmetric path pairs around the conical intersection, the bath influence functional is identical for the two interfering amplitudes, so the geometric-phase phase factor still enforces destructive interference.

Significance. If the result holds, it is significant: it suggests that geometric-phase effects, usually neglected in condensed-phase dynamics, can survive strong non-Markovian dissipation. The path-integral cancellation argument is elegant and parameter-free for the symmetric case, and the LDR-HEOM combination is a reasonable methodological tool. The paper gives credit to the analytic mechanism and presents falsifiable numerical predictions. However, the strongest claim—robustness for asymmetric initial states and protection by topology rather than symmetry—goes beyond the analytic proof and rests on simulations for which no convergence details are reported; this limits the current verifiability of the central conclusion.

major comments (4)
  1. [Sec. III, Fig. 8 and Conclusion] The conclusion that the surviving pattern is 'protected by the topology of the CI, not only by the space reflex symmetry' is not supported by the analytic argument. Equations (26)-(27) require the initial and final states to be invariant under y -> -y so that mirror paths share endpoints; for the y0=0.5 initial state in Fig. 8 this condition fails and no exact nodal line is expected. The robustness claim for this case therefore rests entirely on the HEOM results, but no convergence tests are given and the nodal feature is shown only as color maps. Please provide quantitative line cuts through y=0 (dip depth versus time and bath parameters) and convergence tests for this asymmetric case, or soften the topological-protection claim.
  2. [Secs. II C and III] The simulations are repeatedly called 'numerically exact', but the manuscript reports no HEOM truncation level (L in Eq. (21)), no number of exponential terms K in Eq. (19), no DVR grid size, no time step, and no convergence tests. Since the title and abstract make a robustness claim, a reader cannot verify that the nodal line is not a numerical artifact. Please report these parameters and show at least one convergence check (e.g., dependence on L_max and grid spacing).
  3. [Sec. III, Eqs. (26)-(27)] The pairwise-cancellation proof is stated too broadly: 'as this applies to all pairs of paths' is not correct. W[Γ+]+W[Γ-] = 0 only when the two mirror paths together enclose the CI; paths whose closed loop does not encircle the CI (e.g., final xf left of the CI) need not cancel. The proof should either restrict the sum to encircling pairs or add an argument that non-encircling paths do not contribute at y=0. Relatedly, the 'only rigorously valid near the CI' caveat should be reconciled with its use to explain the numerical results over the whole wave packet.
  4. [Sec. III, electronic bath paragraph] The extension of Eq. (26) to Q=Π1 is asserted rather than demonstrated. The equality of influence functionals for mirror paths holds here because, in the LDR basis, Π1 has path value δ_{α,1}, which is invariant under the reflection symmetry; if Π1 is interpreted in the raw diabatic basis, it is not y-invariant. Please state this explicitly to make the electronic-bath argument self-contained.
minor comments (6)
  1. [Abstract and Sec. I] There are typos: 'nuclears' should be 'nuclear', 'influce' should be 'influence', and 'envrionments' should be 'environments'.
  2. [Throughout] 'reflex symmetry' should be 'reflection symmetry' (e.g., Sec. III and Fig. 8 discussion).
  3. [Eq. (27)] The notation R± and F± is undefined; define these objects, since the equation is central to the cancellation argument.
  4. [Fig. 4 caption] Typo: 'nodel line' should be 'nodal line'.
  5. [References] Reference 22 is an arXiv preprint; please add a published version/DOI if available before final publication.
  6. [Title page] The corresponding-author email contains 'weatlake'; should be 'westlake'.

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No significant circularity: the robustness result is an output of exact simulations and a symmetry-based path-integral explanation, not an input-equivalent fit or a self-citation chain.

full rationale

The paper's central claim is that the geometric-phase nodal line survives non-Markovian vibrational and electronic dissipation. The evidence chain is: (i) LDR-HEOM simulations with model parameters taken from Ref. 44 and bath parameters λ, T, γ scanned; (ii) a path-integral explanation in Sec. III in which reflection-symmetric path pairs have equal influence functionals for Q=x and Q=Π1, so the geometric-phase factor W[Γ+]+W[Γ-]=0 factors out (Eqs. 26-27). Neither step reduces to its inputs by construction: the simulations do not fit any parameter to the predicted nodal-line survival, and the analytic argument is an exact symmetry property of the same Hamiltonian rather than an imposed ansatz. The LDR method is self-cited (Refs. 35,36), but it is a numerical representation used to simulate the model; HEOM is an independently established exact method, and the robustness conclusion is not justified solely by the self-citations. The acknowledged limitations—the cancellation proof is rigorous only near the CI and for reflection-symmetric settings—are correctness/scope restrictions, not circularity. The asymmetric-initial-state simulations (Fig. 8) extend the claim beyond the symmetric proof; while no convergence tests are reported, that is a numerical-validation issue, not a circular-equivalence issue. No fitted input is relabeled as a prediction, no uniqueness theorem from the authors is imported, and no known result is merely renamed. Hence no circular step is exhibited.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 6 assumptions · 0 invented entities

No parameters are fitted to the target result; model parameters are from Ref. 44 and bath parameters are scanned. The central result rests on the LDR representation, the Gaussian/Drude bath model with the configuration-independent solvent displacement approximation, the reflection symmetry used in the influence-functional cancellation, and the assumed convergence of HEOM.

assumptions (6)
  • domain assumption The molecular wavefunction can be expanded in the local diabatic representation (LDR) product basis, Eq. (3), with the approximation H_BO(R)|nα⟩ ≈ V_α(R_n)|nα⟩.
    Used to derive the LDR equations of motion (Eq. 4); relies on Refs. 35 and 36 and the DVR localized-position approximation.
  • domain assumption The environment is a Gaussian bosonic bath with linear coupling H_I = Q ⊗ X and a Drude spectral density J(ω) = 2λγω/(ω^2+γ^2).
    Defines the dissipation model; the electronic bath also assumes the solvent displacement d_j(R_n) ≈ d_j independent of nuclear geometry (Appendix A).
  • domain assumption For the analytic argument, the molecular Hamiltonian and the bath coupling operators Q = x and Q = Π_1 are invariant under y → -y, and the interfering paths Γ± are mirror images with equal action.
    Used in Eqs. (26)-(27) to show the influence functionals factor and the amplitudes cancel; the authors note the analysis is only rigorously valid close to the CI.
  • standard math The geometric phase factor for a closed loop around the CI is e^{iπ} = -1 (Eq. 6), and it is topological for time-reversal-symmetric Hamiltonians.
    Standard Berry phase result; the LDR overlap product along a loop is used to define it.
  • standard math HEOM is an exact representation of the reduced dynamics given the exponential decomposition of the bath correlation function (Eq. 19) and a converged truncation of the hierarchy.
    Needed for the 'numerically exact' claim; the paper does not document hierarchy depth or convergence.
  • domain assumption The two-state two-mode vibronic coupling model (Eq. 23) captures the essential physics of photodissociation of phenol; parameters are from Ref. 44.
    The central result is demonstrated on this specific model, so the generality of the conclusion depends on the model's representativeness.

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One of the intriguing effects due to conical intersections is the geometric phase, manifested as destructive quantum interference in the nuclear probability distribution. However, whether such geometric phaseinduced interference can survive in dissipative environments remains an open question. We demonstrate by numerically exact dissipative conical intersection dynamics simulations that the destructive interference is highly robust against non-Markovian quantum dissipation. To do so, we integrate the recently proposed local diabatic representation to describe vibronic couplings and the hierarchical equations of motion for system-bath interactions. Both vibrational and electronic environments are considered. An intuitive path integral-like picture isprovided to explain the robustness of geometric phase-induced interference.

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Figure 1. FIG. 1. Schematic illustration of two paths Γ [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. FIG. 2. Schematic illustration of nonadiabatic molecular dynamics near CI with vibrational bath [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. FIG. 3. Adiabatic potential energy surfaces of the vibronic coupling model. The CI is located at [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4. Nuclear wavepacket & electron population dynamics with a vibrational bath at different [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: FIG. 5. Nuclear wavepacket & electron population dynamics with vibrational bath coupling at [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_5.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: FIG. 6. Nuclear wavepacket and electron population dynamics with electronic bath coupling at [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_6.png]
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Figure 7. Figure 7: FIG. 7. Nuclear wavepacket & electron population dynamics with electronic bath coupling at [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_7.png]
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Figure 8. Figure 8: FIG. 8. Nuclear wavepacket and electron population dynamics with an asymmetrical initial state. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_8.png]

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