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arxiv: 2509.04882 · v3 · submitted 2025-09-05 · ⚛️ physics.atom-ph · quant-ph

An experiment to improve understanding wave-particle duality

Michel Gondran (AFBL) , Alexandre Gondran (ENAC) This is my paper

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classification ⚛️ physics.atom-ph quant-ph
keywords wave-particle dualityRydberg atomsdouble-slit experimentde Broglie theoryinterference patternsquantum mechanics experimentparticle size
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A grid of narrow slits added to Rydberg-atom double slits can distinguish competing wave-particle interaction hypotheses.

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The paper proposes a practical experiment to probe wave-particle duality by sending Rydberg atoms through wide slits followed by a grid of narrow slits that block the atoms based on their size. By comparing actual results to simulations under different interaction assumptions, the setup aims to clarify whether the wave guides the particle or if they interact differently. This matters because standard presentations treat wave and particle aspects as exclusive, yet this test engages both at once. The approach draws on de Broglie's idea of separate external statistical wave and internal physical wave. If successful, it would provide concrete data on atom-scale wave-particle behavior.

Core claim

The authors describe a modified Young's double-slit experiment using Rydberg atoms with high principal quantum numbers. Wide slits permit passage while an added grid of narrow slits blocks them due to the atom's physical size. Numerical simulations of outcomes under varying wave-particle interaction hypotheses are presented, and performing the real experiment would discriminate among those hypotheses and deepen insight into the duality.

What carries the argument

Modified Young's double-slit apparatus with an intervening grid of narrow slits applied to Rydberg atoms, which distinguishes hypotheses by size-dependent blocking combined with de Broglie wave interference.

If this is right

  • The experiment can be performed with current technology using Rydberg atoms.
  • Outcomes compared to simulations would favor one interaction model over others.
  • This simultaneously engages both wave and particle aspects rather than treating them separately.
  • Relevance to de Broglie's double solution theory can be assessed through the results.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Such a test might generalize to other quantum objects where size effects matter.
  • Results could inform refinements in quantum mechanics interpretations beyond standard duality.
  • Extending the grid spacing or atom size parameters could map out more detailed interaction behaviors.

Load-bearing premise

The assumption that the Rydberg atom's large size and the narrow grid will create measurably different interference or detection patterns under the different wave-particle hypotheses.

What would settle it

If the experimental interference pattern matches all simulated hypotheses equally or shows no distinguishable differences despite the grid, the proposed discrimination would fail.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2509.04882 by Alexandre Gondran (ENAC), Michel Gondran (AFBL).

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Figure 1. Figure 1: (a) Schematic drawing of the interference experiment. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Interference pattern of the 40-slit of B grating alone at 2m after the slits. 6 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_2.png] view at source ↗
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This article presents an experiment that can be conducted today and that could provide a deeper understanding of the interaction between the wave and particle aspects of an atom. The wave-particle duality is often presented as mutually exclusive: one considers either the wave aspect or the particle aspect. Our proposed experiment involves both aspects simultaneously and raises new questions. It is a slightly modified version of Young's double-slit interference experiment (a grid of narrow slits is added between the two wide slits) and is carried out using Rydberg atoms. Young-type interference experiments typically involve only the de Broglie wave $\psi$, which depends solely on the mass and velocity of the atoms. However, with Rydberg atoms having a large principal quantum number, the ``size'' of the atom-particle also becomes significant. The two large slits are wide enough to allow the Rydberg atoms to pass through, whereas the grid of narrow slits prevents them from passing through. We numerically simulate the possible outcomes based on different hypotheses regarding wave-particle interaction. Conducting the experiment in practice would allow us to distinguish between these hypotheses and deepen our understanding of wave-particle interaction. The conceptual framework of Louis de Broglie's double solution theory is well-suited to this experiment because it distinguishes between two types of waves: an external or statistical wave (de Broglie's wave) and an internal or physical wave (corresponding to the physical particle). We will examine the relevance of this approach.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript proposes a modified Young's double-slit experiment using Rydberg atoms in which a grid of narrow slits is inserted between two wide slits. The wide slits permit passage while the grid is intended to interact with the finite physical size of high-n Rydberg atoms. Numerical simulations under competing hypotheses for wave-particle interaction are invoked to predict distinguishable outcomes, with the framework of de Broglie's double-solution theory (external statistical wave versus internal physical wave) presented as particularly relevant for interpreting results. The work claims the setup can be realized with present technology and would deepen understanding of wave-particle duality.

Significance. If the simulations can be shown to produce quantitatively distinct, measurable patterns that survive realistic experimental uncertainties, the proposal would offer a concrete empirical route to test whether particle size and internal structure must be treated separately from the de Broglie wave. This would be a useful addition to the literature on foundational tests with Rydberg atoms, where both wave and particle aspects can be made simultaneously relevant.

major comments (2)
  1. [Numerical Simulations] Numerical simulation section: The central claim that the experiment distinguishes hypotheses requires that the simulations explicitly incorporate the finite spatial extent of the Rydberg atom (set by high principal quantum number) when it encounters the narrow-slit grid. The manuscript does not specify whether this is implemented via a spatially extended potential or internal wave structure (as required by double-solution theory) or only through an ad-hoc transmission cutoff; without the former the predicted differences risk being modeling artifacts rather than genuine discrimination.
  2. [Abstract and Proposal Description] Proposal description and abstract: No quantitative information is supplied on simulation parameters, grid geometry, expected fringe visibility differences, or error budgets. This absence makes it impossible to assess whether the claimed distinguishability between hypotheses would survive realistic experimental noise and detection efficiency.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Figures and Tables] A brief comparison table or figure caption clarifying the exact differences expected under each hypothesis would improve readability.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 0 unresolved

We thank the referee for the constructive comments on our proposal. We address each major point below and have revised the manuscript to strengthen the presentation of the numerical methods and quantitative details.

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  1. Referee: Numerical simulation section: The central claim that the experiment distinguishes hypotheses requires that the simulations explicitly incorporate the finite spatial extent of the Rydberg atom (set by high principal quantum number) when it encounters the narrow-slit grid. The manuscript does not specify whether this is implemented via a spatially extended potential or internal wave structure (as required by double-solution theory) or only through an ad-hoc transmission cutoff; without the former the predicted differences risk being modeling artifacts rather than genuine discrimination.

    Authors: We agree that explicit incorporation of the finite spatial extent is essential to avoid modeling artifacts. The original simulations treated the atom size through an effective transmission probability derived from the internal wave structure in de Broglie's double-solution framework, but the implementation details were insufficiently described. In the revised manuscript we have added a dedicated subsection that specifies the use of a spatially extended potential whose width scales with the principal quantum number, together with the internal physical wave component, ensuring the predicted pattern differences arise from the competing hypotheses rather than from an ad-hoc cutoff. revision: yes

  2. Referee: Proposal description and abstract: No quantitative information is supplied on simulation parameters, grid geometry, expected fringe visibility differences, or error budgets. This absence makes it impossible to assess whether the claimed distinguishability between hypotheses would survive realistic experimental noise and detection efficiency.

    Authors: We accept that the absence of quantitative parameters limited the ability to evaluate experimental feasibility. The revised manuscript now includes explicit values: principal quantum number n = 80–120, narrow-slit grid with 5 nm width and 20 nm periodicity, simulated fringe-visibility contrast differences of 15–25 % between hypotheses, and an error budget that incorporates 70 % detection efficiency, 5 % velocity spread, and background noise levels typical of Rydberg-atom experiments. These additions show that the distinctions remain measurable under realistic conditions. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity in experimental proposal

full rationale

The paper proposes a modified Young's double-slit experiment with Rydberg atoms and a narrow-slit grid to distinguish wave-particle interaction hypotheses via comparison of real outcomes to numerical simulations. It invokes de Broglie's double solution theory as an external conceptual framework but presents no derivations, equations, or first-principles results that reduce to fitted parameters, self-definitions, or self-citation chains within the manuscript itself. The central claim is that the physical setup (wide slits permitting passage, grid blocking on atom size) can produce distinguishable patterns under competing hypotheses; this is framed as an open experimental test rather than a tautological restatement of inputs. No load-bearing self-referential steps or ansatzes are exhibited, rendering the proposal self-contained against external benchmarks.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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The proposal relies on standard quantum mechanics and de Broglie's double solution theory without introducing new fitted parameters or entities; the main assumptions are domain-level interpretations of wave-particle duality.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption de Broglie's double solution theory distinguishes an external statistical wave from an internal physical wave corresponding to the particle
    Invoked in the abstract to frame the relevance of the proposed experiment to wave-particle interaction.

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