REVIEW 3 major objections 4 minor 1 cited by
Massive cores in W51 fragment into more and brighter protostars than thermal Jeans masses can explain.
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load-bearing objection A solid, data-rich ALMA-IMF catalog paper whose broad trends (massive cores host more and brighter fragments; thermal Jeans mass alone cannot explain fragment masses) probably hold, but the PPO selection is subjective and environment-biased, and the protostellar-heating suppression claim outruns the paper's own statistics. the 3 major comments →
ALMA-IMF XX: Core fragmentation in the W51 high-mass star-forming region
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
In the W51-E and W51-IRS2 protoclusters, matching approximately 2000-AU-resolution ALMA-IMF cores to approximately 100–300-AU-resolution compact sources shows that the number of fragments rises with core mass, the flux of the brightest fragment tracks core flux even after the fragment fluxes are subtracted, and fragment fluxes within a core span a wide range rather than being equal. The thermal Jeans number N_J = M_core/M_J is below the observed fragment count in most cores, with average Jeans efficiencies of 5% (W51-E) and 20% (W51-IRS2), and many fragments have mass lower limits that exceed the Jeans mass of their parent core. The paper interprets this as thermal pressure being insufficien
What carries the argument
The analysis rests on a two-scale spatial association: ALMA-IMF short-baseline images (resolution about 2000 AU) define cores, while long-baseline images (resolution about 100–300 AU) reveal compact pre/protostellar objects (PPOs). The Jeans efficiency, epsilon_J = N_frag/N_J with N_J = M_core/M_J from the thermal Jeans mass, is the metric that exposes the mismatch between observed fragment counts and thermal predictions.
Load-bearing premise
The compact sources counted as fragments are true individual pre/protostellar objects, not transient brightness peaks in a continuous dusty medium; the catalog depends on a threshold-sensitive visual plus dendrogram selection.
What would settle it
Repeat the core-to-PPO association on the W51 images with several dendrogram min_delta thresholds (for example 0.5 sigma, 1.5 sigma, and 3 sigma) and recompute the N_frag-M_core Spearman rank and the Jeans efficiencies; if the positive correlation and the low Jeans efficiency vanish at a threshold that still passes completeness tests, the physical trend is an artifact of source finding.
If this is right
- The number of fragments in a core scales with core mass, so a top-heavy CMF can be steepened toward the IMF without assuming a universal fragmentation efficiency.
- Thermal Jeans mass alone predicts fewer and less massive fragments than observed, so additional support or post-fragmentation accretion is required in high-mass cores.
- Massive protostars appear to suppress further fragmentation nearby: cores with the brightest PPOs show low fragmentation efficiency and wide flux gaps to the next-brightest fragment.
- Fragmented cores are smaller, denser, and more massive than unfragmented ones, implying faster collapse of dense cores or mass growth through accretion.
- Jeans efficiency falls with core mass across W51-E, W51-IRS2, and Perseus, suggesting a common mass-dependent fragmentation behavior.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If fragment counts are set by core mass rather than by thermal Jeans mass, then the CMF-to-IMF mapping must depend on the core mass distribution; this is a testable prediction for other ALMA-IMF protoclusters.
- The low Jeans efficiency at scales of about 100 AU, if real, points to non-thermal support such as magnetic fields or turbulence; this can be tested with ALMA polarization or high-resolution line observations of the same PPOs.
- The difference between this study's and Tang et al.'s fragment counts around W51north implies that published fragmentation properties in high-mass regions are threshold-dependent, so a standardized, completeness-calibrated source finder is needed before claiming physical universality.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. This paper studies core fragmentation in the W51-E and W51-IRS2 protoclusters by matching ALMA-IMF cores (≈2700 AU resolution) with compact sources ('PPOs') detected at ≈100–300 AU in archival long-baseline ALMA images. The authors characterize PPOs via spectral indices, sizes, modified-blackbody temperatures, and mass lower limits, and then link them to cores. The main empirical claims are: (i) the number of fragments per core correlates with core mass/flux, even after subtracting summed fragment flux; (ii) brighter PPOs reside in brighter/massive cores; (iii) fragment flux distributions within a core are non-uniform; and (iv) thermal Jeans masses of parent cores cannot account for the observed fragment masses, with Jeans efficiency decreasing toward higher core masses. The paper also compares fragmented and unfragmented cores and discusses core-independent PPOs.
Significance. If these trends hold, the paper provides valuable constraints on the CMF–IMF mapping and on the role of thermal pressure in high-mass star formation. The study connects a large ALMA-IMF sample to ~100 au compact sources in an extreme high-mass region, and the comparison with Perseus and Sgr B2 suggests a possibly general mass-dependence of fragmentation. The paper is transparent and reproducible: machine-readable catalogs are on Zenodo, the TGIF fitting package is public, the authors explicitly discuss caveats (density evolution, temperature resolution, lower-limit masses), and they test for the self-correlation between core flux and fragment count by using residual fluxes. However, the central quantitative claims are built on a PPO catalog whose detection thresholds are environment-dependent, and the Jeans-efficiency analysis is partly coupled to the detected fragment counts by construction. These issues are load-bearing and must be addressed before the empirical trends can be considered robust.
major comments (3)
- [Sec. 3.1, Sec. 5.1.1, Appendix B] The PPO catalog combines visual selection with dendrogram parameters min_delta=1.5σ and an explicit 'independence from background' criterion. The paper's own comparison with Tang et al. (2022) shows that this choice changes fragment counts by a factor of 3–10 in the densest structures (W51north: 6 vs 20 fragments; central continuous structure: 1 vs 10). Appendix B's completeness test injects isolated synthetic sources on a regular grid and therefore does not calibrate the recovery of peaks embedded in bright, structured backgrounds—precisely the environments of the massive cores where the 'independence' cut is most restrictive. Because the censoring is mass-dependent, the N_frag–M_core relation (Fig. 12) and the Jeans efficiencies (Fig. 17) may be biased. In particular, missing low-contrast fragments in massive cores artificially lowers the inferred Jeans efficiency at high M_core, a hea
- [Sec. 4.2.1 / Eq. (6), Sec. 5.1] The core masses used to rank 'massive cores' are computed from the 1.3 mm integrated flux, which includes the flux of the fragments themselves. The residual-flux test (Fig. 12, lower panels) only partially breaks this interdependence because PPO fluxes are lower limits and the subtracted point-source model does not remove all embedded flux. More importantly, the Jeans analysis uses M_core in both the numerator of N_J and, through the density ρ ∝ M_core, in M_J ∝ ρ^{-1/2}; a core with more detected fragments therefore has a larger M_core and a smaller M_J, mechanically lowering ϵ_J = N_frag/N_J. The paper does not estimate the magnitude of this built-in anti-correlation. Please recompute ϵ_J using a core mass from which all detected PPO flux has been removed (or an independent mass tracer) and show that the decreasing Jeans-efficiency trend in Fig. 17 persists.
- [Sec. 5.1 / Fig. 18] The conclusion that 'thermal Jeans masses are insufficient to explain fragment masses' relies on comparing lower-limit PPO masses with parent-core Jeans masses computed from present-day density and temperature. The lower-limit direction is conservative for the individual mass ratios, but the abstract's additional claim that 'this trend is more prominent at high-mass cores' is not directly supported by Fig. 18, which shows no explicit mass-dependence test; the mass-dependence is instead inferred from the ϵ_J trend in Fig. 17, which is affected by the N_J self-correlation described above. Either add a direct mass-dependence test that is insensitive to the N_J definition, or soften the claim.
minor comments (4)
- [Sec. 3.2, Eq. (2)] The sentence after Eq. (2) says the central frequencies are 92.98 GHz and 226.69 GHz 'at 1.3 mm and 3 mm, respectively.' This appears reversed: 92.98 GHz is the Band 3 (3 mm) value and 226.69 GHz is Band 6 (1.3 mm). Please correct the ordering.
- [Sec. 5.3.2, final paragraph] The text states that 'ciPPOs are distinctly fainter than other populations' in W51-E, but a few paragraphs later says 'Higher fluxes of ciPPOs than caPPOs at both 1.3 mm and 3 mm fluxes.' These statements are contradictory; clarify which population is brighter and which comparison is meant.
- [Sec. 4.2.1, paragraph containing Fig. 12] The sentence 'The shaded regions in the right panel of Fig. 8 display 1σ range...' appears to be a cross-reference error: the MCMC fit results are shown in Fig. 12 (right panel), not Fig. 8. Please update the citation.
- [Appendix A] The description of the 2D Gaussian fitting method is useful, but the notation for the penalty factor λ is introduced after the weighted σ formula; define λ before first use for clarity.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the central correlations are observational and the only plausible self-contamination (core flux includes fragments) is explicitly controlled in the paper.
full rationale
The paper's claims are observational correlations, not derivations from fitted parameters. The PPO catalog is constructed from long-baseline ALMA images via visual inspection plus dendrogram thresholds, and the core catalog comes from the independent ALMA-IMF getsf products (Louvet et al. 2024). The main potential circularity is that core flux/mass includes the flux of embedded fragments, so the N_frag–M_core correlation could be partly self-induced. The paper identifies this explicitly in Sec. 4.2.1 ('Since the flux of a core implicitly includes the contributions from its fragments, we also present the core flux with the summed fluxes of its fragments subtracted') and shows the correlation persists with p<0.05 after subtraction. The Jeans analysis uses standard definitions (Eqs. 6, 7) and compares measured quantities; no fitted parameter is renamed as a prediction. Self-citations to ALMA-IMF and Budaiev et al. (2024) supply data products and a standard modified-blackbody model, but they do not smuggle in an unverified ansatz or uniqueness theorem that forces the conclusions. The acknowledged threshold sensitivity relative to Tang et al. (2022) is a completeness/selection caveat, not a circular reduction; the paper argues the low fragmentation efficiency conclusion is robust to it. Overall, no load-bearing step reduces by construction to its own inputs.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (4)
- Dust temperature for PPO mass lower limits =
40 K
- Hot core dust temperatures =
100 K, 300 K
- Dendrogram detection thresholds =
min_value=3 sigma, min_delta=1.5 sigma, min_npix=15
- Core-PPO association radius =
core FWHM + ALMA-IMF beam
axioms (6)
- domain assumption The distance to W51 is 5.4 kpc
- domain assumption Dust opacity from Ossenkopf and Henning (1994) applies at mm wavelengths
- domain assumption PPO masses are lower limits under the optically thin assumption
- domain assumption Core temperatures from PPMAP at 2.5 arcsec resolution are representative of fragmentation-time temperatures
- domain assumption Compact high-res sources are individual pre/protostellar objects
- standard math Jeans mass formula (Binney and Tremaine 1987) with thermal pressure only
read the original abstract
We present a study of core fragmentation in the W51-E and W51-IRS2 protoclusters in the W51 high-mass star-forming region. The identification of core fragmentation is achieved by the spatial correspondence of cores and compact sources which are detected in the short (low resolution) and the long baseline (high resolution) continuum images with the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) in Bands 3 (3 mm) and 6 (1.3 mm), respectively. We characterize the compact sources found in the long baseline image, and conclude that the compact sources are pre/protostellar objects (PPOs) that are either prestellar dust cores or dust disks or envelopes around protostars. The observed trend of core fragmentation in W51 is that (i) massive cores host more PPOs, (ii) bright PPOs are preferentially formed in massive cores, (iii) equipartition of flux between PPOs is uncommon. Thermal Jeans masses of parent cores are insufficient to explain the masses of their fragments, and this trend is more prominent at high-mass cores. We also find that unfragmented cores are large, less massive, and less dense than fragmented cores.
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