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arxiv: 2510.22487 · v1 · submitted 2025-10-26 · 🌌 astro-ph.SR

Magnesium Isotopic Detection in Cool Stars: Tracing Nucleosynthetic Signatures from MgH Features

Quin Aicken Davies , C. Clare Worley This is my paper

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keywords magnesium isotopesMgH molecular featurescool starsstellar nucleosynthesisgalactic chemical evolutionisotopic ratiosspectrum synthesiseuropium abundances
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Seven MgH wavelength regions reliably extract magnesium isotopic ratios across M to G type stars.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper tests ten previously used MgH molecular features in cool star spectra to determine which ones best reveal the proportions of magnesium's three isotopes. It applies spectrum synthesis to a set of reference and program stars and finds that seven regions produce consistent, usable measurements while the others do not. If correct, this selection supplies a practical, repeatable way to trace how magnesium isotopes form in different stellar processes and how they build up in the Galaxy over time. The work further connects the isotope patterns to europium abundances, showing an expected link to massive-star nucleosynthesis that is absent for barium.

Core claim

Spectrum synthesis of seven selected MgH band regions yields reproducible magnesium isotope ratios in cool stars from M to G types. The ratios measured for eight stars correlate strongly with europium abundances, consistent with 24Mg production by hydrostatic alpha-capture preceding the r-process, while barium shows no comparable correlation with 25Mg or 26Mg despite shared s-process origins.

What carries the argument

The spectrum synthesis pipeline that isolates isotopic shifts within chosen MgH wavelength regions.

If this is right

  • The seven regions give consistent isotope ratios across dwarf and giant stars of different temperatures.
  • 24Mg abundances track europium as expected from massive-star production sites.
  • 25Mg and 26Mg lack correlation with barium, indicating separate nucleosynthetic channels.
  • The selected regions supply a reproducible method for future measurements of magnesium isotopes in cool stars.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Applying the same seven regions to large spectroscopic surveys could tighten constraints on magnesium contributions from supernovae versus AGB stars in Galactic chemical-evolution models.
  • The method could be extended to stars outside the current temperature and gravity range to test whether the regions remain clean at still lower or higher effective temperatures.
  • The observed Eu–24Mg link might help separate contributions from different supernova progenitor masses in chemical-evolution simulations.

Load-bearing premise

Spectrum synthesis models correctly separate isotopic shifts in the selected MgH features without important unmodeled blending or systematic atmospheric-structure errors that change across the M-to-G range.

What would settle it

New high-resolution spectra of one of the three reference stars that return magnesium isotope ratios differing from the values reported here when the same seven regions are used.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2510.22487 by C. Clare Worley, Quin Aicken Davies.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Kiel Diagram showing the distribution of ISAM stars in temper￾ature space (circled), coloured by metallicity. The background points are the stars from GBS V3 (Soubiran et al. 2024) to show the main se￾quence more clearly. its reliability for extracting isotope abundances. Regions deemed unreliable were excluded from the analysis, as is discussed in Section 4.2. 3.2. Isotope pipeline While recent isotopic m… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Individual and combined contributions of Mg isotopes to Region 1 of HD 18907. The top left panel shows the synthetic spectral feature from 24Mg only (no contribution from 25Mg or 26Mg). The top right panel shows the feature from 25Mg only, and the bottom left panel shows the 26Mg contribution. The bottom right panel with the fitting region in the blue box, presents the combined synthetic spectrum including… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Regions 1 through 10 showing the MgH lines and the fitting region (blue shaded rectangle) for all stars colour coded by effective temperature. Vertical lines mark the positions of the three magnesium isotopes: dot–dash for 24Mg, dashed for 25Mg, and solid for 26Mg. 3.3. MgH lines in FGK spectra [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Mean isotopic percentage as a function of region wavelength for 24Mg (red), 25Mg (blue), and 26Mg (green). Error bars indicate the standard deviation of the ISAM sample for each region. 4.3. Magnesium Isotopes [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_4.png] view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Line by line abundances of europium, barium, and magnesium compared with stellar parameters to examine possible trends. gravity might show more Ba but it is possible that this is an ob￾servational or systematic effect. There is no significant correla￾tion between the Ba and Eu abundances which is expected since they are generated in different environments (Vangioni & Olive 2019). There is no correlation be… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Comparison of line by line abundances of europium and bar￾ium with the isotopic magnesium abundances, [24Mg/H], [25Mg/H], and [ 26Mg/H]. 4.6. Abundance vs Parameters In [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_5.png] view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Magnesium (Mg) isotopic ratios offer valuable insights into stellar nucleosynthesis and Galactic chemical evolution, particularly in distinguishing contributions from supernovae and asymptotic giant branch (AGB) stars. These isotopes are accessible via MgH molecular features in cool stellar atmospheres, though their measurement remains challenging across spectral types. We assess the reliability of MgH spectral regions for extracting magnesium isotopic ratios ($^{24}$Mg, $^{25}$Mg, $^{26}$Mg) in stars from M to G types and evaluate consistency with nucleosynthetic expectations. Using spectrum synthesis, we applied an analysis pipeline, validated by three well-studied reference stars, to a sample of five additional dwarf and giant stars. Individual MgH band regions were analysed for sensitivity to isotopic variation. Europium (Eu) and barium (Ba) abundances were also measured to explore correlations with Mg isotopic ratios as r- and s-process proxies. Of ten previously studied MgH wavelength regions, we identify seven as most reliable for isotopic analysis; others showed limited sensitivity across stellar types. Derived Mg isotope ratios ($^{24}$Mg, $^{25}$Mg, $^{26}$Mg) include: HD 11695-81:7:12; HD 18884-81:7:12; HD 18907-69:9:23; HD 22049-71:16:13; HD 23249-66:13:22; HD 128621-67:17:16; HD 10700-78:10:12; HD 100407-65:10:25. Comparison of Eu abundances with Mg isotopes reveals strong correlations, particularly with ($^{24}$Mg, which is predominantly produced by hydrostatic $\alpha$-capture in massive stars, a process preceding the r-process responsible for Eu. In contrast, Ba shows no significant correlation with $^{25}$Mg or $^{26}$Mg, despite their shared s-process origin. Our results demonstrate that selected MgH regions can reliably measure Mg isotopes in cool stars, providing a reproducible framework for future studies of stellar nucleosynthesis and Galactic chemical evolution.

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper claims to have developed a spectrum synthesis pipeline for measuring magnesium isotopic ratios (24Mg:25Mg:26Mg) from MgH features in cool stars (M to G types). The pipeline is validated on three reference stars and then applied to five additional targets, identifying seven of ten previously studied MgH wavelength regions as reliable for isotopic analysis. Specific ratios are reported for eight stars (e.g., HD 11695 as 81:7:12), and correlations are explored between these ratios and Eu/Ba abundances as r- and s-process proxies, concluding that selected MgH regions provide a reproducible framework for nucleosynthesis and Galactic chemical evolution studies.

Significance. If the results hold, this work would supply a practical, reproducible method for extracting Mg isotopic ratios in cool stars, enabling better tracing of contributions from supernovae and AGB stars in stellar nucleosynthesis and Galactic chemical evolution. The reported correlations with Eu (particularly for 24Mg) could strengthen links between alpha-capture and r-process elements if quantitatively supported.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The reported isotope ratios (e.g., HD 11695-81:7:12, HD 18907-69:9:23) are given without quantitative error bars, blending assessments, or sensitivity tests to Teff, log g, or [Fe/H]. This is load-bearing for the central claim that seven MgH regions are reliable across M-to-G types, because unmodeled blending or 1D/LTE atmospheric mismatches could introduce undetected systematic biases that vary with stellar parameters.
  2. [Validation] Validation section (inferred from abstract description): The pipeline validation on three reference stars is presented only through qualitative consistency statements, without reported quantitative metrics such as fit residuals, chi-squared values, or direct comparisons to literature isotopic ratios with uncertainties. This weakens the foundation for applying the pipeline to the target sample and asserting reliability.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The isotope ratio notation (e.g., 81:7:12) should be explicitly defined as percentages or fractional abundances in the text or a table for clarity and reproducibility.
  2. [Results] The abstract mentions analysis of individual MgH band regions for isotopic sensitivity but does not specify which seven regions were selected or the criteria used; a table listing the regions and their performance metrics would improve transparency.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their thoughtful and constructive report. The comments highlight important areas where the presentation of uncertainties and validation metrics can be strengthened to better support our claims regarding the reliability of the MgH regions. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript accordingly.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The reported isotope ratios (e.g., HD 11695-81:7:12, HD 18907-69:9:23) are given without quantitative error bars, blending assessments, or sensitivity tests to Teff, log g, or [Fe/H]. This is load-bearing for the central claim that seven MgH regions are reliable across M-to-G types, because unmodeled blending or 1D/LTE atmospheric mismatches could introduce undetected systematic biases that vary with stellar parameters.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract would benefit from explicit mention of uncertainties and sensitivity considerations to bolster the reliability claim. While the full analysis in the manuscript employs spectrum synthesis with careful selection of regions to minimize blending (as detailed in the methods and results sections), we did not include quantitative error bars or parameter sensitivity tests in the abstract summary. In the revised manuscript, we will add estimated uncertainties derived from the fitting procedure (e.g., based on chi-squared minimization and Monte Carlo perturbations) and briefly note the outcomes of sensitivity tests to Teff, log g, and [Fe/H] for the selected regions. This will directly address potential systematic biases and strengthen the central claim without altering the reported ratios or conclusions. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Validation] Validation section (inferred from abstract description): The pipeline validation on three reference stars is presented only through qualitative consistency statements, without reported quantitative metrics such as fit residuals, chi-squared values, or direct comparisons to literature isotopic ratios with uncertainties. This weakens the foundation for applying the pipeline to the target sample and asserting reliability.

    Authors: The validation on the three reference stars was based on direct comparison of our derived isotopic ratios to published literature values, confirming consistency within the ranges expected from prior studies. However, we acknowledge that the current presentation relies primarily on qualitative statements rather than quantitative fit metrics. To strengthen this foundation, the revised manuscript will include tabulated comparisons with literature values and uncertainties, along with example chi-squared statistics and residual assessments for the reference star fits. These additions will provide a more rigorous quantitative basis for extending the pipeline to the additional targets while preserving the existing validation approach. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: isotopic ratios derived from direct spectral fitting to observations

full rationale

The paper's central results consist of magnesium isotopic ratios extracted by applying spectrum synthesis to observed stellar spectra in selected MgH regions, after validation on three reference stars and sensitivity checks across seven additional targets. These ratios (e.g., 81:7:12 for HD 11695) are obtained by fitting the data rather than by any equation or self-citation that redefines the output in terms of the authors' own prior normalizations or fits. The selection of seven reliable regions out of ten is based on empirical sensitivity to isotopic variation within the current sample, not on a self-referential definition or imported uniqueness theorem. External correlations with Eu and Ba abundances are likewise measured independently. The derivation chain therefore remains self-contained against the observed spectra and standard synthesis methods.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim depends on standard assumptions of stellar atmosphere modeling and on the empirical validation provided by the three reference stars; no new physical entities are introduced.

free parameters (1)
  • isotopic fractions
    24Mg, 25Mg, and 26Mg percentages are adjusted to match observed line profiles in each star.
axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Local thermodynamic equilibrium holds in the line-forming layers of the program stars
    Invoked implicitly by the spectrum synthesis pipeline used for all targets.

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