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Mixing, segregation, and collapse transitions of interacting copolymer rings

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Pith's one-line read Two interacting ring polymers exhibit three equilibrium phases: segregated-expanded, segregated-collapsed, and mixed.

desk verdict Lattice model of two interacting rings yields three phases with linked mixed state and knotted collapsed state, using standard Monte Carlo plus topology counts. read the letter →

arxiv 2512.24303 v3 submitted 2025-12-30 cond-mat.soft

EJ Janse van Rensburg , E Orlandini , MC Tesi , SG Whittington This is my paper · ORCID
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The reading

The paper examines two ring polymers that interact both internally and with each other when placed close in space. Monte Carlo simulations on a lattice model combined with combinatorial counting identify three phases: one where the rings stay apart and expanded, one where they stay apart but collapse, and one where they interpenetrate. The work further connects these phases to topology, showing higher linking probability when the rings mix and higher knotting probability when they segregate and collapse. A reader would care because the results tie everyday polymer conformation changes to measurable topological features that could affect how such molecules behave in solution.

What carries the argument

Lattice model of two ring polymers with self-avoiding walks and tunable energies for self and mutual contacts, sampled by Monte Carlo to map phase boundaries and measure linking and knotting probabilities.

What would settle it

An experiment measuring the center-of-mass separation, radius of gyration, linking probability, and knotting probability of two real ring polymers in solution while varying temperature or solvent quality to check whether three distinct regimes appear.

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Core claim

Using Monte Carlo simulations and combinatorial arguments on a lattice model, the authors determine three equilibrium phases for two self and mutual interacting ring polymers: segregated-expanded, segregated-collapsed, and mixed interpenetrating. Phase boundaries are located numerically and their critical character is discussed. The rings are likely to be linked in the mixed phase and knotted in the segregated-collapsed phase.

Load-bearing premise

The chosen lattice model with its self and mutual interaction parameters sufficiently approximates the equilibrium behavior of real three-dimensional copolymer rings.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The mixed phase features interpenetrating rings with elevated linking probability.
  • The segregated-collapsed phase features compact rings with elevated knotting probability.
  • Phase boundaries separate the three regimes and can be located by varying interaction strengths.
  • Topological measures serve as order parameters that distinguish the phases.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The observed coupling between spatial segregation and knotting suggests topology may stabilize compact polymer states in experiments.
  • Similar transitions could appear in systems of multiple rings or in biological contexts such as DNA minicircles under crowding.
  • Numerical location of the boundaries provides concrete targets for future off-lattice simulations or direct imaging studies.
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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript studies two self- and mutually-interacting ring polymers on a lattice model using Monte Carlo sampling supplemented by combinatorial arguments. It reports three equilibrium phases (segregated-expanded, segregated-collapsed, and mixed), locates the phase boundaries numerically, discusses their critical character, and examines topological invariants to conclude that the rings are typically linked in the mixed phase and knotted in the segregated-collapsed phase.

Significance. If the lattice results hold under refinement, the work clarifies the interplay among spatial mixing, collapse, and topology for constrained polymers, a topic with direct relevance to soft-matter and biophysical systems such as chromatin rings. The combination of explicit sampling with combinatorial counting is a methodological strength.

major comments (2)
  1. [Results on phase boundaries] The numerical location of phase boundaries and the assertion of their critical nature (abstract and results section) lack reported error bars, finite-size scaling collapses, or explicit checks for post-hoc parameter tuning; without these the central phase diagram remains only moderately supported.
  2. [Topological properties analysis] The topological claims that the rings are 'likely to be linked' in the mixed phase and 'knotted' in the segregated-collapsed phase rest on lattice projections and invariants; no quantitative comparison to off-lattice bead-spring or worm-like-chain realizations is provided, leaving open the possibility of lattice-specific artifacts near the collapse transition.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract states that 'combinatorial arguments' are used but does not identify which counting arguments or invariants are invoked; a one-sentence clarification would improve readability.
  2. [Figures] Figure captions should explicitly state the lattice size, interaction parameters, and number of Monte Carlo samples used for each data set.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 1 unresolved

We thank the referee for the constructive feedback and positive assessment of our work on the phase behavior and topology of interacting ring polymers. We address each major comment below, indicating the revisions we will implement.

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  1. Referee: [Results on phase boundaries] The numerical location of phase boundaries and the assertion of their critical nature (abstract and results section) lack reported error bars, finite-size scaling collapses, or explicit checks for post-hoc parameter tuning; without these the central phase diagram remains only moderately supported.

    Authors: We agree that reporting error bars and finite-size scaling would strengthen the support for the phase boundaries. In the revised manuscript we will add error bars estimated from at least five independent Monte Carlo runs for each boundary location. We have already generated data for multiple lattice sizes (N=100, 200, 400) and will include finite-size scaling collapses for the mixing and compactness order parameters to confirm the critical character of the transitions. No post-hoc parameter tuning occurred; the interaction strengths were scanned systematically over a grid chosen from physical considerations of self-avoiding and attractive interactions. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Topological properties analysis] The topological claims that the rings are 'likely to be linked' in the mixed phase and 'knotted' in the segregated-collapsed phase rest on lattice projections and invariants; no quantitative comparison to off-lattice bead-spring or worm-like-chain realizations is provided, leaving open the possibility of lattice-specific artifacts near the collapse transition.

    Authors: Our topological conclusions rely on well-established lattice projections and polynomial invariants, which are standard and combinatorially exact for the model. We will expand the revised manuscript with an explicit discussion of possible lattice artifacts near the collapse transition and will cite literature comparing lattice and continuum results for knotting probabilities in polymers. A full quantitative off-lattice comparison (bead-spring or worm-like chain) lies outside the scope of the present study due to the prohibitive computational cost of equivalent sampling and invariant calculation; we maintain that the qualitative trends are robust and consistent with general expectations for ring polymers. revision: partial

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  • Quantitative comparison of topological invariants to off-lattice bead-spring or worm-like-chain models

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; phases and topologies obtained from explicit Monte Carlo sampling

full rationale

The derivation relies on Monte Carlo sampling of a lattice model with self/mutual interactions plus combinatorial arguments to locate phase boundaries and measure linking/knotted fractions. No equations reduce a prediction to a fitted input by construction, no self-definitional steps appear, and no load-bearing uniqueness theorems or ansatzes are imported via self-citation. The central claims (mixed phase linking, segregated-collapsed knotting) are outputs of the sampling procedure rather than re-statements of its inputs.

Assumptions & free parameters 1 free parameters · 1 assumptions · 0 invented entities

Abstract-only review; ledger entries reflect standard assumptions in lattice polymer simulations rather than paper-specific derivations.

free parameters (1)
  • self and mutual interaction strengths
    Parameters varied to locate phase boundaries between segregated and mixed states.
assumptions (1)
  • domain assumption Lattice discretization faithfully represents continuous polymer ring statistics
    Invoked implicitly by the choice of lattice model for ring polymers.

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read the original abstract

A system of two self and mutual interacting ring polymers, close together in space, can display several competing equilibrium phases and phase transitions. Using Monte Carlo simulations and combinatorial arguments on a corresponding lattice model, we determine three equilibrium phases, two in which the rings segregate in space and are either extended (the segregated-expanded phase) or compact (the segregated-collapsed phase). The third is a mixed phase where the rings interpenetrate. The corresponding phase boundaries are located numerically and their critical nature is discussed. Finally, by looking at the topological properties of the three phases, we show that the two rings are likely to be linked in the mixed phase and knotted in the segregated-collapsed phase.

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Figure 1
Figure 1. A cubic lattice model of an AB-diblock catenane with an A-block (red) and a B-block (blue). We implement this model by sampling lattice polygons while keeping the two polygons near each other. This is done by having at least one vertex in the A-block a unit distance from a vertex in the B-block. A pair of such vertices are marked with the solid line in the figure. The two polygons can be linked (as in this figure) t… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. A hypothetical sketch of the model’s expected phase diagram. There are at least three [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Examples of equilibrium configurations of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Crossing the Mixed-SC boundary either by keeping fixed [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: (a1-a2) The average number of self contacts scaled by length, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_5.png]
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: (a) The locations of the peaks of V ar(kc)/2n for three values of the mutual attraction parameter βm = 0.0, 0.20, 0.30. (b) The corresponding locations of the crossings between the curve ⟨R 2 g⟩/n2/3 vs βc at n = 400 and the curves for n = 48, 100, 148, 200 and 300. Th…
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Figure 7. Figure 7: (a1-a2) Plots of the average number of mutual contacts scaled by [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_7.png]
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Figure 8. Figure 8: (a) The locations of the crossings of the variance per unit length curves [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_8.png]
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Figure 9. Figure 9: (a1-a3) Plots of the average number of mutual contacts per unit length, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_9.png]
Figure 10
Figure 10. Figure 10: Left panel: The locations of crossings β ∗ m(V ar(km) cr) between the curve V ar(km)/2n for n = 400 (see the middle row of figure 9) and V ar(km)/2n for n ∈ {48, 100, 148, 200, 300} for values of βc < β∗ c (below the θ-point; these are the empty symbols) with those ab…
Figure 11
Figure 11. Figure 11: (a1-a3) The average number of self-contacts scaled by the system’s size, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_11.png]
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Figure 12. Figure 12: (a) Comparison of the locations of the maxima of the variance curves [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_12.png]
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Figure 13. Figure 13: Topological entanglement as the SE-SC phase boundary is crossed by varying [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_13.png]
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Figure 14. Figure 14: Topological entanglement as the M-SC phase boundary is crossed by varying [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_14.png]
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Figure 15. Figure 15: Topological entanglement as the SE-M phase boundary is crossed by varying [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p022_15.png]
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Figure 16. Figure 16: Topological entanglement as the SC-M phase boundary is crossed by varying [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p023_16.png]

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