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The Double-Peaked Calcium-Strong SN 2025coe: Progenitor Constraints from Early Interaction and Ejecta Asymmetries
Pith reviewed 2026-05-16 17:56 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
SN 2025coe's nebular lines and double peaks allow either an asymmetric low-mass core-collapse or a white-dwarf merger origin.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Simultaneous line profile modeling of [Ca II] and [O I] at nebular phases shows that an asymmetric core-collapse explosion of a low-mass (≲3.3 M⊙) He-core progenitor can explain the observed line profiles. Alternatively, lack of local star formation at the site of the SN explosion combined with a low ejecta mass is also consistent with a thermonuclear explosion due to a low-mass hybrid He-C/O white dwarf + C/O white dwarf merger.
What carries the argument
Simultaneous fitting of nebular [Ca II] and [O I] emission-line profiles to infer ejecta asymmetry and helium-core mass, paired with bolometric light-curve modeling that separates envelope/CSM contributions from nickel-powered emission.
If this is right
- Calcium-strong transients can arise from either core-collapse or thermonuclear channels.
- Low-mass helium cores naturally produce strong calcium and weak oxygen lines under asymmetric conditions.
- Early double peaks constrain the presence of compact envelopes or close circumstellar material in these events.
- Large projected offsets from the host galaxy are consistent with old stellar populations hosting white-dwarf mergers.
- Rapid spectral evolution from helium to calcium-dominated phases follows from the low ejecta mass and composition.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If the white-dwarf merger channel dominates at large offsets, calcium-strong events should be over-represented in early-type or quiescent galaxies.
- Polarization measurements in future similar supernovae could directly test the predicted ejecta asymmetry.
- High-resolution imaging years after explosion might reveal any surviving companion star expected in the merger scenario.
- The two allowed channels imply that rate calculations for calcium-strong transients must include both young and old stellar populations.
Load-bearing premise
The light-curve modeling assumes a compact envelope or close-in circumstellar material fully accounts for the first peak, and that the absence of detectable local star formation reliably excludes any massive-star progenitor.
What would settle it
Detection of local star formation, a massive-star signature, or symmetric line profiles without asymmetry would rule out one or both of the proposed progenitor channels.
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read the original abstract
Supernova (SN) 2025coe at a distance of $\sim$25 Mpc is the second-closest calcium-strong (CaST) transient. It was discovered at a large projected offset of $\sim$34 kpc from its potential host galaxy NGC 3277. Multiband photometry of SN 2025coe indicates the presence of two peaks at day $\sim$2 and day $\sim$11 after explosion. Modeling the bolometric light curve, we find that the first peak can be reproduced either by shock cooling of a compact envelope ($R_\mathrm{env}$ $\approx $6-40 $R_{\odot}$; $M_\mathrm{env}$ $\approx $0.1-0.2 $M_{\odot}$) or by interaction with close-in circumstellar material (CSM; $R_{\mathrm{CSM}} \lesssim 6 \times10^{14}$ cm), or a combination of both. The second peak is dominated by radioactive decay of $^{56}$Ni ($M_{\mathrm{ej}} \approx $0.4-0.5 $M_{\odot}$; $M_{^{56}\mathrm{Ni}} \approx 1.4 \times 10^{-2}$ $M_{\odot}$). SN 2025coe rapidly evolves from the photospheric phase dominated by He I P-Cygni profiles to nebular phase spectra dominated by strong [Ca II] $\lambda \lambda$7291, 7323 and weak [O I] $\lambda \lambda$6300, 6364 emission lines. Simultaneous line profile modeling of [Ca II] and [O I] at nebular phases shows that an asymmetric core-collapse explosion of a low-mass ($\lesssim$3.3 $M_{\odot}$) He-core progenitor can explain the observed line profiles. Alternatively, lack of local star formation at the site of the SN explosion combined with a low ejecta mass is also consistent with a thermonuclear explosion due to a low-mass hybrid He-C/O white dwarf + C/O white dwarf merger.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript reports observations and analysis of the nearby calcium-strong supernova SN 2025coe, which exhibits a double-peaked light curve with maxima near day 2 and day 11. Bolometric modeling attributes the first peak to shock cooling from a compact envelope (R_env ≈ 6-40 R_⊙, M_env ≈ 0.1-0.2 M_⊙) or close-in CSM interaction (or both), while the second peak is fit as 56Ni-powered with M_ej ≈ 0.4-0.5 M_⊙ and M_56Ni ≈ 0.014 M_⊙. Nebular spectra dominated by strong [Ca II] and weak [O I] are simultaneously modeled to support either an asymmetric core-collapse explosion of a low-mass (≲3.3 M_⊙) He-core progenitor or a thermonuclear explosion from a low-mass hybrid He-C/O + C/O white dwarf merger, the latter also consistent with the lack of local star formation at the explosion site.
Significance. If the derived ejecta mass and line-profile constraints are robust, the work adds useful progenitor limits for the still-rare class of calcium-strong transients by combining early-time photometry with nebular spectroscopy. The explicit presentation of two viable channels (asymmetric CC vs. WD merger) and the use of simultaneous [Ca II]/[O I] profile fitting are positive features that could help guide future observations of similar events.
major comments (2)
- [Bolometric light curve modeling] Bolometric light-curve modeling: the second-peak fit that yields M_ej ≈ 0.4-0.5 M_⊙ and M_56Ni ≈ 0.014 M_⊙ assumes a clean separation between the early (envelope/CSM) component and the radioactive tail, together with standard diffusion timescales and opacity. No error bars, full parameter covariance tables, or explicit tests against alternative velocity/opacity structures are provided; because this low M_ej is required for both the ≲3.3 M_⊙ He-core CC interpretation and the hybrid WD-merger scenario, any systematic bias in the subtraction directly undermines the central progenitor discrimination.
- [Nebular line profile modeling] Nebular line-profile section: the claim that an asymmetric core-collapse explosion of a low-mass He core reproduces the observed [Ca II] and [O I] profiles is presented without quantitative comparison to symmetric models or alternative geometries. The manuscript should report the improvement in fit statistic (e.g., reduced χ² or Bayesian evidence) when asymmetry is included versus excluded to establish that asymmetry is actually required by the data.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] The abstract quotes parameter ranges without uncertainties or references to the fitting procedure; adding 1σ errors and a brief statement of the method would improve clarity.
- [Results] A summary table listing all fitted parameters (R_env, M_env, M_ej, M_Ni, CSM radius, etc.) with uncertainties and the two progenitor scenarios side-by-side would help readers assess the robustness of the conclusions.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive and detailed report. We address each major comment below, indicating the revisions that will be incorporated to improve the robustness of the progenitor constraints.
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Referee: [Bolometric light curve modeling] Bolometric light-curve modeling: the second-peak fit that yields M_ej ≈ 0.4-0.5 M_⊙ and M_56Ni ≈ 0.014 M_⊙ assumes a clean separation between the early (envelope/CSM) component and the radioactive tail, together with standard diffusion timescales and opacity. No error bars, full parameter covariance tables, or explicit tests against alternative velocity/opacity structures are provided; because this low M_ej is required for both the ≲3.3 M_⊙ He-core CC interpretation and the hybrid WD-merger scenario, any systematic bias in the subtraction directly undermines the central progenitor discrimination.
Authors: We agree that additional quantification of uncertainties would strengthen the analysis. In the revised manuscript we will report formal uncertainties on M_ej and M_56Ni derived from the fitting procedure, include a brief assessment of how the results vary with assumed opacity and velocity, and perform explicit tests with alternative component-separation assumptions. The low ejecta mass remains primarily constrained by the directly observed short rise time and modest peak luminosity of the second peak; these observables are robust even if the precise early-component subtraction carries some systematic uncertainty. We will add a short subsection discussing these systematics to clarify the progenitor implications. revision: partial
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Referee: [Nebular line profile modeling] Nebular line-profile section: the claim that an asymmetric core-collapse explosion of a low-mass He core reproduces the observed [Ca II] and [O I] profiles is presented without quantitative comparison to symmetric models or alternative geometries. The manuscript should report the improvement in fit statistic (e.g., reduced χ² or Bayesian evidence) when asymmetry is included versus excluded to establish that asymmetry is actually required by the data.
Authors: We appreciate this suggestion for a more rigorous statistical comparison. In the revised version we will add fits of the nebular spectra using symmetric geometries and report the quantitative improvement in fit statistics (reduced χ² and, where feasible, Bayesian evidence) when asymmetry is included. This will explicitly demonstrate that the asymmetric configuration is required by the data for the core-collapse channel while preserving the alternative thermonuclear interpretation. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity in progenitor constraints
full rationale
The paper derives ejecta mass and nickel mass by fitting a two-component bolometric light-curve model (early envelope/CSM plus radioactive decay) directly to the observed photometry, then applies independent nebular spectroscopy to model [Ca II] and [O I] line profiles for asymmetry and core-mass limits. These steps operate on distinct data sets and do not reduce any claimed result to its own fitted inputs by construction; the low M_ej value serves only as a consistency check for the alternative WD-merger scenario rather than defining the spectral conclusions. No self-citations, uniqueness theorems, or ansatzes are invoked to close any loop, leaving the derivation self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (4)
- R_env =
6-40 R_sun
- M_env =
0.1-0.2 M_sun
- M_ej =
0.4-0.5 M_sun
- M_Ni56 =
1.4e-2 M_sun
axioms (2)
- domain assumption Standard assumptions of supernova bolometric light-curve modeling (opacity, diffusion, radioactive powering)
- domain assumption Nebular line-profile modeling assumes specific ejecta geometry and excitation conditions
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