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Substitution for minimizing/maximizing a tropical linear (fractional) programming
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The pith
A special substitution on homogenized tropical cones solves linear minimization and fractional programs while preserving strong polynomiality.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The central claim is that the special substitution applied to the tropical cone obtained by homogenization solves the tropical linear minimization problem and inherits strong polynomiality from classical substitution; in the particular case requiring a switch, the method correctly moves to maximization while retaining the same complexity guarantee, and tropicalizing the Charnes-Cooper transformation likewise solves the corresponding fractional problem without introducing assumptions on the polyhedron.
What carries the argument
The special substitution performed on the homogenized tropical cone, together with the tropicalized Charnes-Cooper transformation that converts the fractional objective into an equivalent linear one.
If this is right
- Tropical linear minimization problems become solvable in strongly polynomial time via this substitution route.
- The same framework directly extends to fractional linear objectives without extra conditions on the polyhedron.
- The method offers a strongly polynomial alternative to the exponential-time tropical Fourier-Motzkin elimination.
- Applications to mean-payoff games and energy games receive a concrete algorithmic path through the homogenized cone.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The homogenization-plus-substitution pattern may generalize to other tropical optimization problems such as tropical quadratic programs.
- Implementation could yield practical solvers for parity-game instances that are currently handled by slower iterative methods.
- The absence of polyhedron assumptions suggests the technique might transfer to unbounded or degenerate tropical sets arising in software analysis.
Load-bearing premise
That switching from minimization to maximization in the particular case preserves both correctness and the strong polynomiality inherited from classical substitution, and that the tropicalized Charnes-Cooper transformation converts the fractional problem faithfully.
What would settle it
A small tropical linear program or fractional instance where running the substitution (after any required switch to maximization) produces a value that differs from the true optimum obtained by exhaustive enumeration of the tropical polyhedron vertices.
read the original abstract
Tropical polyhedra seem to play a central role in static analysis of softwares. These tropical geometrical objects play also a central role in parity games especially mean payoff games and energy games. And determining if an initial state of such game leads to win the game is known to be equivalent to solve a tropical linear optimization problem. This paper mainly focus on the tropical linear minimization problem using a special substitution method on the tropical cone obtained by homogenization of the initial tropical polyhedron. But due to a particular case which can occur in the minimization process based on substitution we have to switch on a maximization problem. Nevertheless, forward-backward substitution is known to be strongly polynomial. The special substitution developed in this paper inherits the strong polynomiality of the classical substitution for linear systems. This special substitution must not be confused with the exponential execution time of the tropical Fourier-Motzkin elimination. Tropical fractional minimization problem with linear objective functions is also solved by tropicalizing the Charnes-Cooper's transformation of a fractional linear program into a linear program developed in the usual linear algebra. Let us also remark that no particular assumption is made on the polyhedron of interest. Finally, the substitution method is illustrated on some examples borrowed from the litterature.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper claims to solve the tropical linear minimization problem using a special substitution method on the tropical cone obtained by homogenization of the initial tropical polyhedron. Due to a particular case in the minimization process, it switches to a maximization problem. The special substitution is asserted to inherit the strong polynomiality of classical forward-backward substitution for linear systems, distinguishing it from the exponential tropical Fourier-Motzkin elimination. The tropical fractional minimization problem with linear objective functions is solved by tropicalizing the Charnes-Cooper transformation, with no assumptions made on the polyhedron, and the method is illustrated on examples from the literature.
Significance. If the inheritance of strong polynomiality is established after the min-to-max switch, the result would provide a practical, strongly polynomial algorithm for tropical LPs that arise in mean-payoff games, energy games, and static analysis of software. This would be a meaningful advance over exponential methods like tropical Fourier-Motzkin elimination, while building directly on classical substitution and the Charnes-Cooper transformation without introducing fitted parameters or self-referential definitions.
major comments (2)
- [section on the particular case and polynomiality inheritance] The central claim that the special substitution inherits strong polynomiality after switching from minimization to maximization lacks an explicit bound on the number of max-plus operations (comparisons and propagations) in the tropical semiring. This is load-bearing for the polynomiality assertion, as the iteration count may differ from the classical case and no operation-count analysis is supplied to confirm it remains polynomial in the input size.
- [section on tropical fractional programming] The tropicalized Charnes-Cooper transformation for the fractional problem is stated to convert the problem correctly without new assumptions on the polyhedron, but no derivation or verification of solution-set preservation is provided, making it impossible to confirm correctness from the given text.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] Typo: 'litterature' should be 'literature'.
- [Abstract] The abstract states the polynomiality claim and approach but supplies no derivations, proofs, or error analysis; these must appear in the main text with explicit operation counts or inductive arguments.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments on our manuscript. We address each major point below and have revised the paper accordingly to strengthen the claims.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: The central claim that the special substitution inherits strong polynomiality after switching from minimization to maximization lacks an explicit bound on the number of max-plus operations (comparisons and propagations) in the tropical semiring. This is load-bearing for the polynomiality assertion, as the iteration count may differ from the classical case and no operation-count analysis is supplied to confirm it remains polynomial in the input size.
Authors: We agree that an explicit operation-count analysis is required to rigorously establish the inheritance of strong polynomiality after the min-to-max switch. In the revised manuscript we add a dedicated subsection that provides this bound: the substitution proceeds with at most O(n) iterations (where n is the number of variables), each iteration performing O(n^2) tropical operations (max and plus), and the single possible switch to maximization does not increase the iteration count or the per-iteration cost. This yields an overall strongly polynomial bound identical in order to the classical forward-backward substitution, confirming the claim. revision: yes
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Referee: The tropicalized Charnes-Cooper transformation for the fractional problem is stated to convert the problem correctly without new assumptions on the polyhedron, but no derivation or verification of solution-set preservation is provided, making it impossible to confirm correctness from the given text.
Authors: We acknowledge that the manuscript omitted the explicit derivation. The revised version now includes a full proof that the tropical Charnes-Cooper transformation preserves the feasible set and the optimal value. The argument proceeds by showing that any feasible solution of the original fractional program maps to a feasible solution of the transformed linear program (and vice versa) via the standard homogenization and scaling steps, all carried out in the tropical semiring; no extra assumptions on the polyhedron are introduced or required. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; derivation adapts known classical methods without reduction to inputs
full rationale
The paper presents a special substitution on the homogenized tropical cone for minimization, with a switch to maximization in a particular case, claiming inheritance of strong polynomiality from classical forward-backward substitution (stated as known). The fractional case uses a direct tropicalization of the Charnes-Cooper transformation. No quoted step defines a quantity in terms of itself, renames a fitted input as a prediction, or reduces the central claim to a self-citation chain or ansatz smuggled from prior work by the same author. The argument is an extension of external classical results to the tropical semiring, with no evidence that any load-bearing prediction or uniqueness is forced by construction from the paper's own inputs.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- domain assumption Tropical polyhedra can be homogenized to cones for optimization purposes without changing the solution set.
- domain assumption Forward-backward substitution remains strongly polynomial when adapted to tropical arithmetic.
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