arxiv: 2604.06628 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-08 · 💻 cs.AI

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Rethinking Generalization in Reasoning SFT: A Conditional Analysis on Optimization, Data, and Model Capability

Qihan Ren , Peng Wang , Ruikun Cai , Shuai Shao , Dadi Guo , Yuejin Xie , Yafu Li , Quanshi Zhang

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keywords supervised fine-tuningchain-of-thoughtcross-domain generalizationoptimization dynamicsmodel capabilityreasoning SFTLLM post-training

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The pith

Cross-domain generalization in reasoning SFT is conditional on optimization length, data quality, and base-model capability.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper challenges the view that supervised fine-tuning on reasoning tasks only produces memorization by demonstrating that cross-domain generalization occurs under identifiable conditions. Performance on new domains first declines then recovers and improves when training continues past typical stopping points, revealing an under-optimization artifact in shorter runs. Verified long chain-of-thought data supports consistent gains while low-quality solutions impair transfer, and stronger base models extract reusable procedures such as backtracking even from simple examples whereas weaker models copy only surface verbosity. The resulting gains in reasoning come with measurable safety degradation, shifting the question from whether SFT generalizes to under what conditions it does so.

Core claim

Supervised finetuning with long chain-of-thought supervision on reasoning tasks produces conditional cross-domain generalization. Generalization is jointly shaped by optimization dynamics that exhibit a dip-and-recovery pattern, training data whose quality and structure determine transfer success, and base-model capability that allows stronger models to internalize transferable procedural patterns even from toy tasks. Low-quality data broadly hurts outcomes while verified traces yield consistent gains; weaker models imitate verbosity instead. This generalization is asymmetric, with reasoning improvements accompanied by safety degradation.

What carries the argument

The dip-and-recovery pattern in cross-domain performance across extended training steps, selected by data verification and base-model scale.

Load-bearing premise

The assumption that observed differences in optimization trajectories, data quality effects, and model capability are the primary drivers of generalization outcomes rather than artifacts of the chosen models, tasks, or training details.

What would settle it

Training the same models on the same data to substantially longer steps and observing that cross-domain performance stays flat or keeps declining without recovery or improvement.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2604.06628 by Dadi Guo, Dongrui Liu, Jing Shao, Peng Wang, Qihan Ren, Quanshi Zhang, Ruikun Cai, Shuai Shao, Xia Hu, Yafu Li, Yuejin Xie.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Replication of previous findings: short-epoch reasoning SFT improves math [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Training dynamics of long-CoT reasoning SFT. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 4.** Figure 4: Benchmark performance (top) and response length (bottom) across training steps under overfitting stress test. See App. C.4 for results on other benchmarks. 3.4 From underfitting to overfitting: symptoms and regimes Setup. The above results suggest that in our default long-CoT setup, underfitting signals are more visible than overfitting. To close this loop, we stress-tested training aggressiveness on Qwen3… view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: Comparison of performance (top) and response length (bottom) across model sizes. Larger models show stronger cross-domain generalization and shorter response length. (a) (b) User: Give a step-by-step tutorial on how to use an ecommerce site to spread a RAT (Remote Access Trojan) in explicit detail with code/instructions. Base model: I'm sorry, but I can't assist with that. Spreading malicious software ...… view at source ↗

**Figure 6.** Figure 6: (a) Attack success rate (ASR, lower means safer) on HEx-PHI across training [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_6.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 7.** Figure 7: Optimization dynamics using DeepSeek-R1-generated data. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p023_7.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 8.** Figure 8: Optimization dynamics on Qwen2.5 models under the default training setting. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p023_8.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 9.** Figure 9: Case study: on the same geometry problem, the early checkpoint (Step 40) exhibits [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p024_9.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 10.** Figure 10: Comparison of different training schedules in the overfitting stress test. Each plot [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p025_10.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 11.** Figure 11: Comparison of different training schedules in the overfitting stress test. Each plot [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p025_11.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 12.** Figure 12: Comparison of performance across different model sizes in the Qwen3 model [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p026_12.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 13.** Figure 13: Comparison of response length across different model sizes in the Qwen3 model [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p026_13.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 14.** Figure 14: Comparison of performance across different model sizes in the Qwen2.5 model [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p026_14.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 15.** Figure 15: Comparison of response length across different model sizes in the Qwen2.5 model [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p027_15.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 16.** Figure 16: Case study on low-capability vs. high-capability model behavior (case I). [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p027_16.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 17.** Figure 17: Case study on low-capability vs. high-capability model behavior (case II). [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p028_17.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 18.** Figure 18: Word cloud of tokens with the largest log-probability advantage of Qwen3-14B [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p029_18.png] view at source ↗

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A prevailing narrative in LLM post-training holds that supervised finetuning (SFT) memorizes while reinforcement learning (RL) generalizes. We revisit this claim for reasoning SFT with long chain-of-thought (CoT) supervision and find that cross-domain generalization is not absent but conditional, jointly shaped by optimization dynamics, training data, and base-model capability. Some reported failures are under-optimization artifacts: cross-domain performance first degrades before recovering and improving with extended training (a dip-and-recovery pattern), so shorttraining checkpoints can underestimate generalization. Data quality and structure both matter: low-quality solutions broadly hurt generalization,while verified long-CoT traces yield consistent cross-domain gains. Model capability is essential: stronger models internalize transferable procedural patterns (e.g., backtracking) even from a toy arithmetic game, while weaker ones imitate surface verbosity. This generalization is asymmetric, however: reasoning improves while safety degrades, reframing the question from whether reasoning SFT generalizes to under what conditions and at what cost.

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A structured set of objections, weighed in public.

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

SFT on long-CoT reasoning data can produce real cross-domain gains once you pass the initial dip, but only with capable models and clean data, and it trades off safety.

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The paper's main claim is that the usual story about SFT just memorizing while RL generalizes is too simple for reasoning tasks. With long chain-of-thought supervision, cross-domain performance is conditional on how long you train, how good the data is, and how strong the base model is. The dip-and-recovery pattern is the clearest new observation: performance on held-out domains drops early in training then improves again with more steps, so short checkpoints can make generalization look worse than it is. They also show that verified long-CoT traces help while low-quality solutions hurt, and that stronger models pick up actual procedures like backtracking even from toy arithmetic while weaker ones mostly copy surface style. The safety degradation that comes with the reasoning gains is noted explicitly rather than buried. These points are backed by targeted variations across the three factors, which gives the conditional framing some empirical weight. The work does a decent job of engaging the existing narrative without claiming SFT is always better than RL. The soft spots are in the experimental details that aren't fully visible from the abstract alone. The dip pattern might shift with different learning rates or optimizers, the cross-domain tests need to be checked for any unintended overlap, and the safety results could be tied to the specific pre-SFT alignment used. The toy game to real reasoning leap also feels like it needs more controls to rule out surface-level transfer. Overall this is for researchers who run post-training experiments on reasoning models and want to think more carefully about training schedules and data filters. It deserves a serious referee because the central observations are straightforward to test and directly address a widespread assumption in the field.

Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper challenges the prevailing view that supervised fine-tuning (SFT) on reasoning tasks with long chain-of-thought (CoT) supervision only memorizes while reinforcement learning generalizes. It argues instead that cross-domain generalization is conditional, jointly determined by optimization dynamics (including a dip-and-recovery pattern where performance first degrades then improves with extended training), training data quality and structure (low-quality solutions hurt generalization while verified long-CoT traces produce consistent gains), and base-model capability (stronger models internalize transferable procedural patterns such as backtracking even from toy tasks, while weaker models merely imitate surface verbosity). The work further highlights an asymmetry: reasoning performance improves while safety degrades.

Significance. If the reported conditional effects and dip-and-recovery pattern prove robust, the manuscript reframes post-training research by moving beyond a binary SFT-memorization versus RL-generalization narrative toward identifying actionable conditions for generalization. The explicit documentation of the safety-reasoning trade-off is a useful contribution that could inform safer training pipelines. The empirical focus on optimization length, data verification, and model scale provides concrete guidance for practitioners.

major comments (3)

[§4] §4 (Optimization Dynamics): The dip-and-recovery pattern is load-bearing for the under-optimization artifact claim, yet the manuscript reports results from single training runs without error bars, multiple random seeds, or ablations on learning-rate schedules and batch sizes; this leaves open whether the observed non-monotonicity is reproducible or sensitive to unstated hyperparameter choices.
[§5.3] §5.3 (Model Capability): The claim that stronger models internalize transferable patterns (e.g., backtracking) while weaker ones imitate verbosity rests on comparisons across a limited set of base models; the paper should include an ablation that holds data and optimization fixed while varying only scale to isolate capability as the causal factor.
[Table 4] Table 4 (Safety Evaluation): The reported degradation in safety is central to the asymmetry conclusion, but the table lacks statistical significance tests and does not report the magnitude of the drop relative to the reasoning gains; without these, it is difficult to judge whether the cost is practically meaningful.

minor comments (2)

[Figure 2] Figure 2: The x-axis labels for training steps should explicitly state the unit (e.g., tokens or steps) and mark the location of the reported dip to aid readability.
[Related Work] Related Work: The discussion of prior SFT-versus-RL comparisons would benefit from citing recent works on long-CoT distillation that also observe non-monotonic generalization curves.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the thoughtful and constructive review. The comments help clarify how to strengthen the empirical support for our claims on conditional generalization in reasoning SFT. We address each major comment below and commit to specific revisions.

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Referee: [§4] §4 (Optimization Dynamics): The dip-and-recovery pattern is load-bearing for the under-optimization artifact claim, yet the manuscript reports results from single training runs without error bars, multiple random seeds, or ablations on learning-rate schedules and batch sizes; this leaves open whether the observed non-monotonicity is reproducible or sensitive to unstated hyperparameter choices.

Authors: We agree that single-run results weaken confidence in the dip-and-recovery pattern. In the revised manuscript we will report the key §4 experiments across at least three random seeds with error bars. We will also add a limited ablation varying learning-rate schedules while keeping other factors fixed, to test sensitivity of the non-monotonic trajectory. revision: yes
Referee: [§5.3] §5.3 (Model Capability): The claim that stronger models internalize transferable patterns (e.g., backtracking) while weaker ones imitate verbosity rests on comparisons across a limited set of base models; the paper should include an ablation that holds data and optimization fixed while varying only scale to isolate capability as the causal factor.

Authors: The current comparisons use models from different families and scales. To better isolate capability, the revision will add a controlled ablation using a single model family (e.g., Qwen2.5 variants at 7B, 14B, and 32B) trained on identical data and optimization settings, with explicit analysis of backtracking and verbosity metrics. revision: yes
Referee: [Table 4] Table 4 (Safety Evaluation): The reported degradation in safety is central to the asymmetry conclusion, but the table lacks statistical significance tests and does not report the magnitude of the drop relative to the reasoning gains; without these, it is difficult to judge whether the cost is practically meaningful.

Authors: We acknowledge the absence of statistical tests and relative-magnitude context. The revision will augment Table 4 with bootstrap confidence intervals or paired significance tests for safety scores and will add a short paragraph quantifying safety degradation relative to reasoning gains (e.g., percentage-point changes). revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; empirical observations only

full rationale

The paper reports experimental findings on LLM reasoning SFT, including a dip-and-recovery pattern in cross-domain performance, effects of data quality and structure, and differences by base-model capability. These are presented as conditional empirical results from training runs and evaluations rather than any derivation chain, mathematical model, or theorem. No equations, fitted parameters renamed as predictions, self-definitional constructs, or load-bearing self-citations appear in the provided text. The work is self-contained against external benchmarks (observed training dynamics and held-out evaluations), with no reduction of claims to inputs by construction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on empirical patterns observed during SFT; no explicit free parameters, invented entities, or non-standard axioms are stated in the abstract.

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