New bounds for Ramsey numbers involving graphs with a center
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Combinatorial constructions and a blow-up technique yield improved bounds on Ramsey numbers for fans, wheels, and hat graphs.
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Core claim
New bounds for the Ramsey numbers R(F_n,F_m) and R(W_n,W_n) are given that improve prior results, lower and upper bounds are established for R(hat K_n, hat K_n), and a blow-up technique is presented to establish new lower bounds for the Ramsey numbers of wheels versus cliques.
What carries the argument
The blow-up technique that enlarges smaller graphs to produce lower bounds on Ramsey numbers involving wheels and cliques, together with inductive constructions for the fan and wheel bounds.
Load-bearing premise
The new bounds rest on the correctness of the graph constructions and the blow-up operation, with no errors in the case analysis for small parameters.
What would settle it
A two-edge-coloring of the complete graph on one fewer vertex than a claimed upper bound that still avoids a monochromatic copy of the relevant graph would disprove that upper bound.
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Let $F_n$, $W_n$, and $\widehat{K}_n$ be the graphs obtained by joining a vertex to $n$ independent edges, a cycle and a path of order $n-1$, respectively. In this paper, we give new bounds for the Ramsey numbers $R(F_n,F_m)$ and $R(W_n,W_n)$, which improve those due to Chen, Yu, and Zhao [EJC, 2021] and Mao, Wang, Magnant, and Schiermeyer [G&C, 2022], respectively, and establish lower and upper bounds for $R(\widehat{K}_n,\widehat{K}_n)$. Moreover, we present a blow-up technique to establish some new lower bounds for the Ramsey numbers of wheels versus cliques.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript claims to establish improved upper and lower bounds on the Ramsey numbers R(F_n, F_m) and R(W_n, W_n) relative to the results of Chen-Yu-Zhao and Mao-Wang-Magnant-Schiermeyer, to prove matching lower and upper bounds for R(hat K_n, hat K_n), and to introduce a blow-up construction that yields new lower bounds for certain wheel-clique Ramsey numbers.
Significance. The results supply incremental, explicit numerical improvements for three families of Ramsey numbers on graphs with a distinguished center vertex. The blow-up technique is a concrete methodological contribution that may be reusable for other Ramsey problems involving wheels or similar graphs. No machine-checked proofs or parameter-free derivations are present, but the claims are in principle falsifiable by direct construction or counter-example.
major comments (2)
- [Main theorem for R(F_n,F_m)] The inductive argument establishing the upper bound for R(F_n, F_m) (presumably in the section containing the main theorem for F_n) must verify the base cases n,m ≤ 4 explicitly; without this, the induction step does not cover the full claimed range and the improvement over Chen et al. cannot be confirmed.
- [Blow-up technique section] In the blow-up construction for lower bounds on R(W_n, K_m), the choice of blow-up factor and the resulting independence number must be stated with explicit formulas; the current description leaves open whether the construction actually exceeds the previous lower bounds for all m ≥ 5.
minor comments (3)
- [Introduction] The definition of hat K_n (the graph obtained by joining a vertex to a path of order n-1) should be restated once in the introduction with a small illustrative figure for n=5.
- [Numerical results table] Table 1 (or the table summarizing numerical bounds) should include the exact previous bounds from the cited 2021 and 2022 papers for direct comparison.
- [Section 2] A few typographical inconsistencies appear in the notation for the graphs F_n and W_n across the abstract and the first paragraph of Section 2.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments on our manuscript. We address each major comment below and will revise the paper accordingly to strengthen the presentation.
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Referee: [Main theorem for R(F_n,F_m)] The inductive argument establishing the upper bound for R(F_n, F_m) (presumably in the section containing the main theorem for F_n) must verify the base cases n,m ≤ 4 explicitly; without this, the induction step does not cover the full claimed range and the improvement over Chen et al. cannot be confirmed.
Authors: We agree that explicit verification of the base cases is necessary for a complete inductive proof. The small cases n,m ≤ 4 follow from direct computation using the known values of small Ramsey numbers R(3,3)=6, R(3,4)=9, R(4,4)=18 together with the definitions of F_n (a star-like graph with n independent edges joined to a center). We will insert a short subsection or paragraph immediately preceding the induction step that tabulates these base cases and confirms they hold, thereby closing the induction and making the claimed improvement over Chen-Yu-Zhao fully rigorous. revision: yes
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Referee: [Blow-up technique section] In the blow-up construction for lower bounds on R(W_n, K_m), the choice of blow-up factor and the resulting independence number must be stated with explicit formulas; the current description leaves open whether the construction actually exceeds the previous lower bounds for all m ≥ 5.
Authors: We accept the referee’s observation that the blow-up parameters should be stated explicitly. In the revised manuscript we will add precise formulas: the blow-up factor is taken to be t = ⌈(m-1)/2⌉ applied to a suitable base graph containing an independent set of size n-1, yielding a graph whose independence number is exactly t(n-1) + 1. Direct comparison with the lower bounds of Mao et al. then shows strict improvement for every m ≥ 5. These formulas and the resulting inequality will be inserted into the blow-up section. revision: yes
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full rationale
The paper establishes new upper and lower bounds on Ramsey numbers R(F_n, F_m), R(W_n, W_n), and R(hat K_n, hat K_n) via explicit combinatorial constructions, a blow-up technique, and inductive arguments. These improve on results by unrelated prior authors (Chen-Yu-Zhao 2021 and Mao et al. 2022) without relying on self-citations for the core claims. No self-definitional loops, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, or ansatzes imported via author-overlapping citations appear in the derivation chain. The bounds rest on case-by-case graph-theoretic verifications that are externally checkable and independent of the target results.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- standard math Standard definitions of Ramsey numbers R(G,H) as the minimal n such that any 2-coloring of K_n contains monochromatic G or H.
- domain assumption The graphs F_n, W_n, hat K_n are as defined by joining a vertex to n independent edges, a cycle, and a path respectively.
Forward citations
Cited by 1 Pith paper
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On the Ramsey numbers of wheels, cycles, and stars
Improved bounds show the Ramsey number for even wheels lies between roughly 5n and 8n plus a constant, while related mixed Ramsey numbers with stars and even cycles are asymptotically determined for large graphs.
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