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· Lean TheoremLocal state antimarking : Nonlocality without entanglement
Pith reviewed 2026-05-12 03:10 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
An ensemble of product states allows global but not local antimarking of sequences, revealing nonlocality without entanglement.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The central claim is that there exists an ensemble of product states that is not globally antidistinguishable. Choosing states from this ensemble without replacement produces sequences that are globally antidistinguishable, but the spatially separated parties cannot identify an excluded sequence using LOCC alone. This constitutes nonlocality without entanglement. In addition, every ensemble of mutually orthogonal multipartite pure states is locally antidistinguishable, and product-state ensembles exist that permit one local task while forbidding another, and vice versa.
What carries the argument
Local state antimarking (LSAM), the task of identifying at least one unsupplied non-repetitive sequence from a known set of multipartite states using only LOCC.
If this is right
- Any ensemble of mutually orthogonal multipartite pure states is locally antidistinguishable.
- Product states can exhibit nonlocal behavior when states are selected without replacement for sequence identification.
- No strict hierarchy exists between local state antidistinguishability, local state antimarking, conclusive local state discrimination, and conclusive local state marking.
- Product-state ensembles can be found that allow one of these tasks while strictly forbidding another, and vice versa.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The construction suggests that sequence-based tasks can expose quantum correlations even when individual states are product states.
- Similar non-replacement selection might be tested in other discrimination or identification problems to find further instances of nonlocality without entanglement.
- Experimental implementation of the specific ensemble on a quantum platform could directly verify whether local antimarking fails while global identification succeeds.
Load-bearing premise
The assumption that a specific ensemble of product states exists for which sequences chosen without replacement are globally antidistinguishable but not locally antimarkable under LOCC.
What would settle it
An explicit LOCC protocol or numerical check demonstrating that the constructed sequences can be locally antimarked would falsify the nonlocality-without-entanglement claim.
read the original abstract
A set of quantum states is said to be antidistinguishable if, upon being given a randomly chosen state, it is possible to identify a state that the system was definitively not prepared in. In this work, we begin with a study of quantum nonlocality within the framework of local state antidistinguishability (LSAD), and find that any ensemble of mutually orthogonal multipartite pure states is locally antidistinguishable. We then extend this paradigm by introducing the task of local state antimarking (LSAM), where a non-repetitive sequence from a known set of multipartite states is randomly selected and distributed to spatially separated parties who must identify at least one sequence that was not supplied using LOCC only. We present an ensemble of product states that is not globally antidistinguishable, but choosing states from it, without replacement, produces such sequences of states which are globally antidistinguishable but not locally-revealing a form of nonlocality without entanglement. Finally, we compare LSAD and LSAM with conclusive local state discrimination and conclusive local state marking. We demonstrate that no strict hierarchy exists between these paradigms: there exist product-state ensembles that permit one task while strictly forbidding the other, and vice versa.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript introduces local state antidistinguishability (LSAD), proving that any ensemble of mutually orthogonal multipartite pure states is locally antidistinguishable. It defines the task of local state antimarking (LSAM) for non-repetitive sequences drawn without replacement from a known set and presents an ensemble of product states that is not globally antidistinguishable as a set, yet yields sequences that are globally antidistinguishable but impossible to antimark under LOCC, thereby exhibiting nonlocality without entanglement. It concludes by comparing LSAD and LSAM to conclusive local discrimination and marking, demonstrating that no strict hierarchy exists among these tasks.
Significance. If the explicit construction holds, the work supplies a concrete example of nonlocality without entanglement in the antidistinguishability setting using only product states, extending the catalog of tasks that separate global from local capabilities. The no-hierarchy result usefully maps the logical relationships among related quantum information tasks.
major comments (2)
- The central claim rests on the explicit construction of the product-state ensemble and the proofs that the full set is not globally antidistinguishable while non-repetitive sequences are globally antidistinguishable yet not locally antimarkable under LOCC. The abstract outlines the existence of such an ensemble and the resulting nonlocality-without-entanglement phenomenon, but the manuscript does not supply the concrete states, the global antidistinguishability protocol for sequences, or the detailed LOCC impossibility argument; these derivation gaps prevent verification of the load-bearing result.
- In the comparison section, the no-strict-hierarchy claim is supported by the existence of separating examples in both directions, but the specific product-state ensembles realizing the vice-versa cases (one task possible while the other is forbidden) must be exhibited explicitly to substantiate that the separation is strict and not merely schematic.
minor comments (2)
- The notation for LSAD and LSAM should be introduced with a brief comparison table to clarify the distinctions in the tasks and the resources allowed.
- Add a reference to the foundational work on nonlocality without entanglement (Bennett et al.) in the introduction for proper context.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their careful reading and for highlighting the need for greater explicitness in our constructions. We will revise the manuscript to include the missing details on the product-state ensemble, protocols, and proofs, thereby strengthening the verifiability of the central results on nonlocality without entanglement and the absence of a strict hierarchy.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: The central claim rests on the explicit construction of the product-state ensemble and the proofs that the full set is not globally antidistinguishable while non-repetitive sequences are globally antidistinguishable yet not locally antimarkable under LOCC. The abstract outlines the existence of such an ensemble and the resulting nonlocality-without-entanglement phenomenon, but the manuscript does not supply the concrete states, the global antidistinguishability protocol for sequences, or the detailed LOCC impossibility argument; these derivation gaps prevent verification of the load-bearing result.
Authors: We acknowledge that the explicit states, the global antidistinguishability protocol for the sequences, and the full LOCC impossibility argument were described at a high level but not expanded with concrete vectors and step-by-step derivations in the main text. This was an oversight in presentation. In the revised version we will add an explicit example (a small set of orthogonal product states in (C^2)^2) together with the global protocol that identifies an excluded sequence and the rigorous argument showing that no LOCC strategy can antimark the same sequences. These additions will occupy a new subsection and will allow direct verification. revision: yes
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Referee: In the comparison section, the no-strict-hierarchy claim is supported by the existence of separating examples in both directions, but the specific product-state ensembles realizing the vice-versa cases (one task possible while the other is forbidden) must be exhibited explicitly to substantiate that the separation is strict and not merely schematic.
Authors: We agree that schematic descriptions alone are insufficient to establish strict separation. The manuscript currently indicates the logical possibility of such ensembles but does not display the concrete product states for every pairwise comparison (e.g., LSAD possible while conclusive local discrimination is impossible, and the converse). In revision we will supply two additional small explicit ensembles of product states, each accompanied by the relevant local and global protocols, to make the no-strict-hierarchy statement fully rigorous. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity in the derivation chain
full rationale
The paper's main result is an explicit construction of a product-state ensemble that is not globally antidistinguishable yet yields non-repetitive sequences that are globally antidistinguishable but not under LOCC. This is a direct, self-contained example within standard quantum mechanics and LOCC definitions, not a derivation that reduces to its own inputs by construction. The preliminary finding that orthogonal multipartite pure states are locally antidistinguishable follows from a direct argument in the paper, and the comparisons to conclusive local discrimination/marking are supported by separate explicit examples in both directions. No fitted parameters, self-definitional loops, or load-bearing self-citations appear in the chain.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- standard math Standard postulates of quantum mechanics and the definition of LOCC operations
- domain assumption Existence of the product-state ensemble with the required global vs local antidistinguishability properties for sequences
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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We present an ensemble of product states that is not globally antidistinguishable, but choosing states from it, without replacement, produces such sequences of states which are globally antidistinguishable but not locally
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