Synthetic Contrastive Reasoning for Multi-Table Q&A
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The pith
Generating synthetic positive and negative reasoning traces then applying contrastive preference optimization lifts multi-table QA accuracy by 9.7-16.3 points on average.
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Core claim
By constructing preference pairs from synthetically generated positive and negative reasoning traces for the MMQA multi-table QA task and training open-weight LLMs with Contrastive Preference Optimization, absolute average performance improves 9.7-16.3 percentage points over standard Q&A supervised fine-tuning, with gains up to 21 points.
What carries the argument
Contrastive Preference Optimization (CPO) on synthetic preference pairs of positive and negative reasoning traces generated by heterogeneous LLMs.
If this is right
- The same CPO procedure produces measurable gains on Qwen3-14B, Mistral-8B, and Llama-3.1-8B.
- Mixing trace generators from different model families increases the strength of the contrastive signal relative to single-generator pairs.
- The improvement holds when the only change from baseline is the addition of the synthetic reasoning preference data.
- Automated metrics and human ratings both support that the generated pairs remain coherent and meaningfully contrastive.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The approach could be tested on other compositional QA settings where reasoning supervision is scarce, such as knowledge-base or database query tasks.
- If negative traces systematically capture common error patterns, the method may incidentally improve robustness to those specific failure modes.
- Scaling the generation step with larger or more diverse LLMs might further widen the performance gap over answer-only fine-tuning.
Load-bearing premise
The synthetically generated positive and negative traces are largely faithful to correct and incorrect reasoning paths and remain coherent enough to form useful contrastive pairs.
What would settle it
A human evaluation in which a majority of the generated negative traces prove to be valid reasoning paths or the positive traces contain frequent factual errors would remove the claimed contrastive training signal.
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Multi-table question answering requires models to retrieve relevant evidence, link schemas, and perform compositional reasoning across relational tables. Existing multi-table Q&A resources typically provide questions and final answers but lack reasoning supervision that explains how answers are derived. To address this gap, we construct a synthetic contrastive reasoning-trace dataset for MMQA by generating validated positive traces and plausible negative traces with heterogeneous LLMs. We then use the resulting preference pairs to fine-tune open-weight LLMs with Contrastive Preference Optimization (CPO). Across Qwen3-14B, Mistral-8B, and Llama-3.1-8B, CPO achieves absolute average improvements over Q&A supervised fine-tuning ranging from 9.7%-16.3%, with gains up to 21 percentage points on MMQA. Ablations show that heterogeneous positive and negative trace generators strengthen the contrastive signal, and automated as well as human evaluations indicate that the generated pairs are largely faithful, coherent, and meaningfully contrastive.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper constructs a synthetic contrastive reasoning-trace dataset for multi-table Q&A on MMQA by using heterogeneous LLMs to generate validated positive traces and plausible negative traces. These preference pairs are then used to fine-tune open-weight models (Qwen3-14B, Mistral-8B, Llama-3.1-8B) via Contrastive Preference Optimization (CPO). The central claim is that CPO yields absolute average gains of 9.7–16.3% over standard Q&A supervised fine-tuning, with peaks of 21 points on MMQA; ablations attribute part of the signal to heterogeneous generators, and automated plus human evaluations are said to confirm that the pairs are largely faithful, coherent, and contrastive.
Significance. If the trace quality claims hold, the work supplies a scalable route to reasoning supervision for multi-table QA, an area where existing resources supply only questions and answers. The reported gains are large enough to be practically relevant, the multi-model evaluation and ablations on generator heterogeneity are positive features, and the explicit use of both automated and human checks on the synthetic data is a methodological strength.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract (dataset construction paragraph): the headline gains rest on the assumption that positive traces are verifiably correct compositional derivations and negative traces are plausible yet incorrect. The manuscript states that traces are 'validated' and that automated/human evaluations support faithfulness, but supplies no quantitative breakdown (error rate on positive traces, inter-annotator agreement, operational definition of 'validated', or judge model details). This is load-bearing for interpreting the 9.7–16.3% improvements as evidence of improved reasoning rather than artifacts.
- [Experiments] Experiments / Results section: no error bars, statistical significance tests, or exact train/validation/test splits are reported for the CPO versus SFT comparisons. Without these, the reliability of the up-to-21-point MMQA gain and the cross-model average cannot be assessed.
minor comments (2)
- The abstract mentions 'heterogeneous LLMs' for trace generation but does not name the specific models or prompting templates used; adding this information would improve reproducibility.
- Consider adding a table that reports the automated and human evaluation metrics (e.g., faithfulness scores, coherence ratings) broken down by positive/negative traces and by generator model.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive feedback. The comments correctly identify areas where additional quantitative details would strengthen the presentation of our dataset validation and experimental results. We address each major comment below and indicate the revisions we will make.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (dataset construction paragraph): the headline gains rest on the assumption that positive traces are verifiably correct compositional derivations and negative traces are plausible yet incorrect. The manuscript states that traces are 'validated' and that automated/human evaluations support faithfulness, but supplies no quantitative breakdown (error rate on positive traces, inter-annotator agreement, operational definition of 'validated', or judge model details). This is load-bearing for interpreting the 9.7–16.3% improvements as evidence of improved reasoning rather than artifacts.
Authors: We agree that a quantitative breakdown of the validation process is necessary to fully support the claims about trace quality. The manuscript currently states that automated and human evaluations confirm the pairs are largely faithful, coherent, and contrastive, but does not report specific metrics such as error rates on positive traces, inter-annotator agreement, the precise operational definition of 'validated', or judge-model details. In the revised manuscript we will add these quantitative details in the dataset-construction section, including error rates, agreement scores, and judge-model specifications. revision: yes
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Referee: [Experiments] Experiments / Results section: no error bars, statistical significance tests, or exact train/validation/test splits are reported for the CPO versus SFT comparisons. Without these, the reliability of the up-to-21-point MMQA gain and the cross-model average cannot be assessed.
Authors: We acknowledge that the absence of error bars, statistical significance tests, and exact data splits limits the ability to assess result reliability. The current manuscript reports the absolute gains but omits these elements. In the revised Experiments and Results sections we will include error bars (standard deviations across multiple runs where applicable), statistical significance tests for the CPO versus SFT differences, and the precise train/validation/test split ratios and sizes used for each model. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Empirical fine-tuning study; no derivation chain reduces to inputs
full rationale
The paper describes dataset construction via LLM-generated traces, human/automated validation, and measured accuracy gains from CPO fine-tuning versus SFT baselines on MMQA and other benchmarks. No equations, predictions, or first-principles claims are present that could reduce by construction to fitted parameters, self-citations, or renamed inputs. All reported results are external empirical measurements. This is the standard case of a self-contained empirical ML paper.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption Heterogeneous LLMs can generate validated positive traces and plausible negative traces that are faithful, coherent, and meaningfully contrastive.
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Tablellama: Towards open large generalist models for tables. pages 6024–6044. 11 A Prompt We provide complete details of our prompts in Ta- bles 9, 10, and 11. B Additional Results Figure 2 provides an ablation study illustrating the usefulness of using multiple models for generating contrastive reasoning traces. Figure 3 compares the utility of reasoning...
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Stage 1 (Q&A SFT):The models were fine- tuned using Supervised Fine-Tuning (SFT) on standard Q&A pairs ( [Question], [T ables], [Answer]) from the training setT
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Stage 2 (Trace SFT):We fine-tuned the mod- els on the question and synthetically gener- ated positive reasoning traces ( [Question], [T ables],+y)
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This stage was initialized using the model weights from Stage 2
Stage 3 (CPO Alignment):We utilized Con- trastive Preference Optimization (CPO) (Xu et al., 2024) with contrastive reasoning traces (+y,−y) . This stage was initialized using the model weights from Stage 2. Hyperparameters and ConfigurationWe uti- lized Low-Rank Adaptation (LoRA) (Hu et al.,
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Yes” only when confident that the SQL query exactly captures the question’s intent, and “No
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Result:ID 2, ID 5
Identify entries in TABLE2 with attribute_id 4 and value ’1’. Result:ID 2, ID 5
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2.Retrieve pricesfor these IDs from TABLE1.(Skipped constraint verification) 3.Verification: 3
Look up these IDs in TABLE1 to check catalog_level_number. 2.Retrieve pricesfor these IDs from TABLE1.(Skipped constraint verification) 3.Verification: 3. Price for ID 2 is 687.59. - ID 2 is Level 8 (✓Match) - ID 5 is Level 9 (✗Mismatch - Exclude) 4. Price for ID 5 is 616.22
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5.Sum pricesof both entries
Sum prices of matching entries (only ID 2). 5.Sum pricesof both entries
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Total:687.59 + 616.22 = 1303.81 Final Answer:687.59✓ Final Answer:1303.81✗ Table 13: Comparison of constraint verification
Total: 687.59 6. Total:687.59 + 616.22 = 1303.81 Final Answer:687.59✓ Final Answer:1303.81✗ Table 13: Comparison of constraint verification. 16
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