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LLMs often ignore table evidence and answer from pretraining knowledge when the two conflict.
2026-06-26 06:02 UTC pith:2CHH2LDH
load-bearing objection The paper builds a paired benchmark to measure whether LLMs read the table or fall back on pretraining, and the accuracy gap on harder queries is the main takeaway. the 2 major comments →
The Table Says Otherwise: Testing LLMs with Counterfactual Relational Data
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
When an LLM is given a relational table whose facts conflict with information learned during pretraining, its answers increasingly reflect the pretraining knowledge rather than the table, as shown by the measurable accuracy difference between an original database and an otherwise identical counterfactual version that changes only selected attribute values.
What carries the argument
ContraTable, the paired original-counterfactual benchmark that keeps schemas, identifiers, and relationships fixed while selectively altering country, club, and player attributes.
Load-bearing premise
The chosen changes to country, club, and player attributes create genuine conflicts with what the models already know without introducing structural inconsistencies that would make the comparison invalid.
What would settle it
Observing no accuracy difference between the original and counterfactual versions on the same set of 214 questions would indicate that the models are consistently reading the provided table instead of falling back on prior knowledge.
If this is right
- Instruction-tuned models handle single-table lookups reliably in both original and counterfactual settings.
- Performance declines sharply once questions require multi-table joins, comparisons, or temporal reasoning.
- The size of the original-counterfactual gap widens with question complexity, indicating greater reliance on prior knowledge for harder queries.
- Table QA evaluations should report both accuracy and a faithfulness measure to the supplied database.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The benchmark design could be reused to test whether retrieval-augmented systems reduce the observed fallback to pretraining knowledge.
- Database applications that treat tables as the authoritative source may need additional constraints or post-processing to enforce grounding.
- The same paired-construction approach might reveal similar behavior in other structured-data tasks such as spreadsheet formula generation or knowledge-graph query answering.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper introduces ContraTable, a paired original-counterfactual benchmark for testing whether LLMs answer natural-language questions over relational tables by reading the provided data or by recalling pretraining knowledge. It constructs aligned databases that preserve schemas, identifiers, and relationships while editing selected country/club/player attributes, then evaluates 214 matched questions spanning single-table lookup, multi-table lookup, and multi-table temporal reasoning. Experiments on commercial and open-source models report that instruction-tuned models handle direct lookups reasonably well but show reliability drops on joins, comparisons, and temporal queries, with the original-vs-counterfactual accuracy gap interpreted as evidence of fallback to prior knowledge.
Significance. If the counterfactual edits are shown to be free of schema or temporal inconsistencies, the benchmark supplies a concrete method for measuring faithfulness to input tables rather than external knowledge. This directly addresses a practical requirement in database applications where the provided data must be the source of truth, and the work supplies an empirical basis for arguing that standard accuracy metrics alone are insufficient.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract and §3] Abstract and §3 (benchmark construction): the central claim attributes the accuracy gap to models falling back on pretraining knowledge rather than malformed input. This requires that attribute edits preserve all relationships and temporal constraints. No verification procedure, example validation against the full schema, or check for inconsistencies (e.g., an edited club conflicting with an unedited league or transfer date) is described.
- [Experiments] Experiments section: the abstract states that reliability drops on complex queries and that the gap reveals knowledge conflict, yet supplies no statistical significance tests, error bars, question-construction protocol, or controls for confounding variables. These omissions make it impossible to assess whether the reported gaps are robust.
minor comments (2)
- [Experiments] Provide the exact list of models evaluated and the precise prompt templates used for each question level.
- [Benchmark design] Clarify how the 214 questions were distributed across the three complexity levels and whether any questions were discarded during matching.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive comments, which help strengthen the presentation of the benchmark and experiments. We respond to each major comment below.
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Referee: [Abstract and §3] Abstract and §3 (benchmark construction): the central claim attributes the accuracy gap to models falling back on pretraining knowledge rather than malformed input. This requires that attribute edits preserve all relationships and temporal constraints. No verification procedure, example validation against the full schema, or check for inconsistencies (e.g., an edited club conflicting with an unedited league or transfer date) is described.
Authors: We agree that the manuscript does not provide an explicit verification procedure in §3. The construction relied on manual editing that preserved schemas, identifiers, and relationships, but documenting validation steps is necessary to fully support the claim that accuracy gaps reflect knowledge conflict rather than malformed inputs. In the revised manuscript we will add to §3 a verification subsection describing schema-level checks, relationship preservation tests, temporal constraint validation, and concrete examples of edits that were confirmed to introduce no inconsistencies. revision: yes
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Referee: [Experiments] Experiments section: the abstract states that reliability drops on complex queries and that the gap reveals knowledge conflict, yet supplies no statistical significance tests, error bars, question-construction protocol, or controls for confounding variables. These omissions make it impossible to assess whether the reported gaps are robust.
Authors: The referee is correct that the current experiments section omits statistical significance tests, error bars, a detailed question-construction protocol, and explicit discussion of controls for confounding variables. In the revision we will add bootstrap confidence intervals and appropriate paired statistical tests (e.g., McNemar) for the original-versus-counterfactual gaps, include error bars on all accuracy figures, expand the question-construction description, and clarify how the matched-pair design and attribute-selection criteria limit confounding. These changes will allow readers to evaluate robustness directly. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Empirical benchmark study with no derivations or self-referential reductions
full rationale
This is a pure empirical benchmark paper that constructs paired original/counterfactual tables, designs 214 questions, and reports accuracy gaps across models. No equations, fitted parameters, predictions, or uniqueness theorems are claimed. The central claim (accuracy drop indicates fallback to pretraining knowledge) rests on the experimental design and results rather than any step that reduces to its own inputs by construction. No self-citations are load-bearing for the methodology. This matches the default case of a self-contained empirical study.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
read the original abstract
Large language models (LLMs) are increasingly used to answer natural-language questions over structured data. However, when a table contains familiar real-world facts, it is unclear whether the model answers by reading the provided data or by recalling knowledge learned during pretraining. This distinction is important for database applications, where the provided tables should be the source of truth. In this paper, we introduce ContraTable, a paired original-counterfactual benchmark for evaluating whether LLMs ground their answers in relational tables. We build the benchmark with two aligned versions: an original database with real-world facts and a counterfactual database that preserves the same schemas, identifiers, and relationships while changing selected country, club, and player attributes. We design 214 matched questions across three levels: single-table lookup, multi-table lookup, and multi-table temporal reasoning. Experiments on commercial closed-source and open-source models show that strong instruction-tuned models can often handle direct lookup, but their reliability drops as questions require joins, comparison, and temporal reasoning. The gap between original and counterfactual accuracy reveals that models may fall back on prior knowledge when table evidence conflicts with familiar facts. These results suggest that table-QA evaluation should measure not only accuracy, but also faithfulness to the provided database.
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