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The queer Hero versus the Fool bias of the queer trait: An archetypometric analysis of the collective portrayal of queerness in fictional stories

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Pith's one-line read Characters rated most queer tend to be Heroes and Adventurers, yet the queer trait itself carries a collective Fool bias across stories.

desk verdict Solid empirical paradox from the authors' own rating matrix: top-queer characters load Hero/Adventurer while the trait vector itself loads Fool; data-proxy limits are real but do not erase the observation. read the letter →

arxiv 2607.08859 v1 pith:5OQOPTWU submitted 2026-07-09 cs.CY physics.soc-ph

Ashley M. A. Fehr , Calla Glavin Beauregard , Julia Witte Zimmerman , Danny Benett , Timothy R. Tangherlini , Christopher M. Danforth , Peter Sheridan Dodds This is my paper · ORCID
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keywords archetypesarchetypometricstraitscharactersstraightqueerrepresentationstereotypes
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The pith

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The reading

Media representation shapes how people see gender and sexuality, but stereotypes still stick even as queer characters become more visible. This paper measures fictional characters from TV, film, and books using crowd-sourced trait ratings and six core archetypes such as Hero versus Fool. It finds a paradox: the individual characters scored highest as queer usually land on positive primary archetypes (Hero, Angel, Adventurer), yet when the straight-to-queer trait is examined across thousands of characters and stories, it loads strongly toward Fool and shows no real pull on the other main dimensions. The work maps how audiences perceive queerness at population scale and flags the risk of baking those collective biases into models trained on large story collections.

What carries the argument

Archetypometrics: six dominant archetype pairs (Fool-Hero, Angel-Demon, Traditionalist-Adventurer, Lone Wolf-Diva, Outcast-Sophisticate, Brute-Geek) obtained by singular-value decomposition of millions of crowd-sourced trait ratings of fictional characters; the straight-queer semantic differential is then projected onto those dimensions and compared across perceived and canonically labeled subsets.

What would settle it

Replicate the same trait-by-archetype projections on a fresh, demographically balanced rating sample or on a non-Western story corpus and check whether the Fool loading of the queer trait disappears while the high-queer characters still sit on the Hero/Adventurer side.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

Characters with the highest queer scores present positive primary archetypes and are typically Heroes rather than Fools, Angels rather than Demons, and Adventurers rather than Traditionalists. Yet evaluation of the straight-queer trait itself across many stories reveals a strong collective-writing bias toward Fool (away from Hero) and no meaningful loading on the other two primary dimensions.

Load-bearing premise

Crowd-sourced ratings from self-selected volunteers who already know the characters, plus Fandom wiki labels, are treated as reliable proxies for both audience perception and canonical queer portrayal.

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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 4 minor

Summary. The paper uses the archetypometrics framework (six primary/secondary archetype dimensions derived via SVD from ~72M OpenPsychometrics character ratings across 464 traits) together with Fandom LGBTQIA+ wiki labels to examine audience perceptions of queerness in 2000 fictional characters. It constructs perceived-Straight/Queer subsets (top trait scores plus Euclidean nearest-neighbor expansions, with bootstrap radius-of-gyration validation of N/m/k) and a portrayed-Queer subset of 125 canonically labeled characters. The central claim is a quantified paradox: characters with the highest queer scores on the {straight⇔queer} differential predominantly load as Heroes (not Fools), Angels (not Demons), and Adventurers (not Traditionalists), yet the trait vector itself across the full corpus loads strongly toward Fool (away from Hero) with negligible loadings on the other primary dimensions. Supporting analyses include trait-distance rankings, quartile plots on all six archetype axes, ousiograms, and top-trait/archetype membership counts by subset.

Significance. If the paradox holds under the stated data-generating process, the work supplies a population-scale, multi-view quantification of how queer-aligned characters are perceived relative to straight-aligned ones, documenting both positive archetype membership for high-queer exemplars and residual negative trait associations (e.g., unpatriotic, poorly-written, gross). The bootstrap-validated subset construction, explicit comparison of perceived vs. portrayed groups, and caution about training generative models on many-authored story corpora are concrete strengths. The result is of interest to computational social science, media studies, and fairness-aware NLP; it extends prior archetypometric work on gender without requiring new primary data collection.

major comments (3)
  1. [§2.1, abstract, §3.3] §2.1 and the paradox claim in the abstract/§3.3: both the archetype axes and the {straight⇔queer} scores are obtained from the identical self-selected OpenPsychometrics rating matrix. While the high-queer characters’ positive primary-archetype membership is an empirical observation rather than an algebraic identity, the paper never reports a sensitivity check that re-derives the SVD or the trait loadings after (a) weighting characters by rating count or (b) restricting to characters above a minimum rating threshold. Without that check, it remains possible that the “Hero/Angel/Adventurer for top-queer” half of the paradox is inflated by the subpopulation of raters who choose to rate queer characters.
  2. [§2.1, A2.1, §4.1] §2.1 (Fandom parsing) and §4.1: the portrayed-Queer subset of 125 characters is treated as a “plausible proxy for canonical identity,” yet the manuscript itself notes that Fandom entries can include alternative-universe or speculative labels. Appendix A2.1 excludes only six mismatches; no independent canonicity audit (e.g., against primary source texts or a second annotator) is reported. Because the paradox is partly illustrated with this subset, residual non-canonical contamination could systematically favor heroic queer characters and thereby manufacture part of the claimed positive-archetype pattern.
  3. [Abstract, §4] Abstract and Discussion (§4): the phrase “strong collective-writing bias towards Fool” is used for the trait-vector loading. The data, however, are audience perception ratings, not direct textual or production analyses of scripts. The terminology therefore overclaims relative to the measurement process; the loading is more accurately a collective-perception bias. Clarifying this distinction is load-bearing for the paper’s interpretation of “collective portrayal” and for the caution about training on story corpora.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Fig. 4, Table 1] Fig. 4A and Table 1: the vertical bars and summary statistics are clear, but the caption and table note do not state whether the reported σ and CV are population or sample quantities; a one-line clarification would aid reproducibility.
  2. [Figs. 2–3, A2–A6] Figs. 2–3 and A2–A6: the ousiogram cell-color scale is described only as “darker = more characters”; an explicit color-bar or numeric legend would make the density comparisons quantitative rather than qualitative.
  3. [§3.1, A3.1] §3.1 and A3.1: top-trait counts are given, yet the exclusive-trait lists in the appendix are not cross-referenced back to the main-text discussion of “narrower perceptions of queerness”; a single sentence linking them would tighten the narrative.
  4. [§2] Throughout: the superscript “1” attached to every character and trait name is never defined in the main text (it appears to be a citation or dataset-index marker). A brief note in §2 would remove reader friction.

Circularity Check

1 steps flagged · score 2.0 of 10

Minor self-citation of the authors' own archetypometrics framework; the reported paradox is an empirical observation inside the shared rating matrix, not forced by construction or definition.

  1. self citation load bearing [§2.1 Datasets; also Introduction and Abstract]
    "Applying Singular Value Decomposition to these ratings allows us to identify six archetypes [18, 24] which are ordered by size (singular value) and further break down into three primary and three secondary archetypes. This framework further allows for character classification as dual or triple archetypes… We use the archetypometrics and Fandom's LGBTQIA+ datasets…"

    The six archetype pairs and the entire trait-to-archetype projection that underwrite every subset comparison and the reported paradox are taken from the authors' own prior papers rather than re-derived or externally validated here. The citation is therefore load-bearing for the interpretive frame, even though the numerical contrast itself remains an empirical observation inside that frame.

full rationale

The paper is an observational analysis of two crowd-sourced datasets (OpenPsychometrics character ratings and Fandom LGBTQIA+ labels). Archetype axes and the straight–queer trait both live in the same rating matrix whose SVD was performed in prior work by overlapping authors; that framework is imported by citation rather than re-derived. The central claim, however, is not a first-principles derivation or a fitted prediction: it is the empirical contrast between (i) the archetype memberships of the highest-scoring queer characters and (ii) the loading of the straight–queer trait vector itself. Those two quantities are computed from the same matrix but are not definitionally identical, so the paradox is not forced by construction. Fandom supplies an independent external list for the portrayed-Queer subset. No uniqueness theorem, ansatz, or self-definitional loop appears. The only circularity is ordinary methodological self-citation that is not load-bearing for the numerical result. Score 2 reflects that single minor self-citation.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central paradox rests on three free sampling parameters chosen via bootstrap, the domain assumption that crowd-sourced semantic-differential ratings and fan-wiki labels are valid proxies, and the prior SVD-derived archetype basis treated as given. No new physical or mathematical entities are invented.

free parameters (3)
  • subset size N = 128
    Final group sizes fixed at N=128 (and 123/125) after bootstrap radius-of-gyration convergence; directly determines which characters enter the perceived-Queer / perceived-Straight comparisons.
  • seed count m = 22
    Number of polar seed characters used to grow neighbor subsets; chosen by inspecting CV matrices in Appendix A2.
  • neighbor count k = 6
    Number of Euclidean nearest neighbors retained per seed; jointly with m sets final neighbor-subset sizes.
assumptions (4)
  • domain assumption Crowd-sourced 100-point semantic-differential ratings on OpenPsychometrics constitute a valid continuous measure of audience perception of character traits, including straight-queer.
    Invoked throughout §2.1 and all subsequent analyses; no independent validation against expert coding or longitudinal identity data is supplied.
  • domain assumption Fandom LGBTQIA+ Characters wiki entries are a reliable proxy for 'canonically queer' status within the source stories.
    Used to construct the portrayed-Queer subset (§2.1); authors note possible AU/fan-speculation contamination but treat the list as ground truth.
  • domain assumption The six SVD-derived archetype pairs from prior work are the appropriate orthogonal basis for interpreting trait loadings.
    Taken as given from Dodds et al. (2025); all ousiograms and quartile plots are projections onto this basis.
  • ad hoc to paper Euclidean distance / inner product in the 464-dimensional trait space correctly identifies 'nearest-neighbor' characters for subset expansion.
    Choice of metric and the bootstrap procedure that stabilizes m and k are paper-specific (§2.2, A2.1).

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read the original abstract

Visibility in media is pivotal for identity development and for broadening societal views of gender and sexuality. Queer representation has increased in recent years, yet damaging stereotypes and tropes persist. Here, we focus on queer portrayal and its perception by audiences in fictional stories (television, film, and literature) by studying characters by their quantified archetypes which are operationalizations of common conceptions such as Hero, Diva, and Outcast. We use the archetypometrics and Fandom's LGBTQIA+ datasets to study samples of fictional characters along the trait differential spanning straight to queer. We find, quantify, and explain a seeming paradox. The characters with the highest queer score present positive primary archetypes and are typically Heroes rather than Fools, Angels rather than Demons, and Adventurers rather than Traditionalists. But evaluation across many stories for the straight-queer trait itself reveals a strong collective-writing bias towards Fool (away from Hero) and no meaningful loading for the other two dimensions. Our analysis offers a population-scale view of the complexities of queer portrayal, while also pointing to risks in blindly training on many-authored story corpora.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.08859 by the authors.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Among 464 dual-labeled traits, “queer” and “straight” are terms which could be understood as two ends of a spectrum, with each term helping to contextualize the opposite (e.g., “straight” as in sexual identity). These terms are not meant to reduce human identity to a binary; rather, they anchor survey-taker interpretation for psychometric con￾sistency and validity. Survey takers rated characters along a 100-point sc… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. The {straight1⇔queer1} trait’s archetype configuration pointing in the perceived queer direction. Components include an archetype breakdown for the trait (left), the 12 closest traits in order by distance (upper right, with more listed in Tab. A3), and characters with highest measurement on this trait (lower right). [18] [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. {straight1⇔queer1} trait’s archetype configuration pointing in the perceived straight direction. Components include an archetype breakdown for the trait (left), the 12 closest traits in order by distance (upper right), and characters with highest measurement on this trait (lower right). [18]. Schmidt1 (New Girl1) and Gamora1 (Marvel1) in perceived-Queerk; Dean Winchester1 (Supernatural1) and Ennis Del Mar1 (Brokebac… view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: A. Distributions on the {straight1⇔queer1} trait with subset size n and vertical bars denoting minimum, median, and maximum scores. B. The distribution for all 2000 characters on the {straight1⇔queer1} trait. Subset Median σ CV All Characters -0.17 0.20 -1.59 perceived…
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: An ousiogram—an automatically annotated histogram [26]—of essential characteristics with {straight1⇔queer1} trait scores on the vertical axis and {Fool1⇔Hero1} scores on the horizontal axis. A darker cell color indicates more characters fall within that range. 3.3.1 Tr…
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: All characters as located on the {straight1⇔queer1} trait versus each of the six fundamental archetype dimensions. Labeled quartile lines show a shifting window median on that dimension at the 25th , 50th, and 75th quartiles using a window size of n = 200. consolidatio…

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