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The group theory of Raman effect in magnetic materials

Rui-Chun Xiao , Xue Liu , Yuxuan Jiang , Hang Zhou , Zi-Hao Feng , Jie Hou , Xiangru Kong , Yujun Zhang This is my paper

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Onsager reciprocity determines the Raman tensors allowed in every magnetic point group.

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The paper applies the Onsager reciprocity relation to the Raman response tensor rather than the usual corepresentation approach. This produces complete tables of allowed Raman tensors for all 122 magnetic point groups together with selection rules expressed via direct product representations. The resulting tensors match existing experiments on magnetic materials and remove an unexplained feature in the CrSBr spectra. The work also shows that the magneto-Raman vector is frequently perpendicular to the ordered magnetic moment.

Core claim

Applying Onsager reciprocity directly to the Raman susceptibility tensor in magnetic groups yields the full set of symmetry-allowed Raman tensors for every magnetic point group; the same relation supplies the selection rules through direct-product representations and reveals that the magneto-Raman vector can lie orthogonal to the magnetic moment.

What carries the argument

Onsager reciprocity relation applied to the Raman response tensor, which enforces the symmetry constraints that generate the tensor tables.

Load-bearing premise

Onsager reciprocity can be imposed on the Raman tensor without further restrictions coming from the explicit light-matter Hamiltonian or from higher-order terms in the susceptibility.

What would settle it

Measurement of a Raman mode whose polarization selection rule violates the tensor predicted for the known magnetic point group of the crystal.

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Although Raman scattering in magnetic materials exhibits rich experimental phenomena, the symmetry constraints on Raman tensors have not been fully elucidated. In this work, we use Onsager reciprocity relation, other than the conventional corepresentation method, to deal with the mathematical structures of Raman tensors in magnetic groups. Using this approach, we generate Raman tensor tables for all magnetic point groups, and present a comprehensive understanding of the Raman selection rules in magnetic materials with direct product representations method. Our theoretical and numerical results match previous experiments well, and resolve a puzzle in the Raman spectroscopy of CrSBr. Moreover, we identify a common but overlooked phenomenon: the magneto-Raman vector can be orthogonal to the magnetic moment direction. Our method and associated Raman tensor tables will be helpful for the Raman studies in both experimental and theoretical domains.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper claims that applying the Onsager reciprocity relation (rather than the conventional corepresentation approach) yields the symmetry-allowed forms of the Raman tensors for all 122 magnetic point groups. It combines this with direct-product representations to obtain selection rules, reports that the resulting tensors and numerical spectra are consistent with prior experiments, resolves an apparent puzzle in the Raman data for CrSBr, and notes that the magneto-Raman vector is frequently orthogonal to the ordered magnetic moment.

Significance. If the central construction is valid, the work supplies a complete set of Raman-tensor tables for magnetic groups together with an alternative route to selection rules; such tables are a practical resource for experimentalists. The observation that the magneto-Raman vector need not be parallel to the moment is a concrete, falsifiable statement that could be checked in additional materials. The reported consistency with existing CrSBr data, if placed on a firmer quantitative footing, would strengthen the utility of the tables.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract (paragraph on method choice): the claim that Onsager reciprocity transfers directly to the second-order Raman response tensor is presented without an explicit derivation showing that the electron-photon interaction Hamiltonian commutes with the assumed symmetry operations in the required way or that higher-order terms in the susceptibility expansion introduce no extra restrictions; this step is load-bearing for every tabulated tensor and for the CrSBr resolution.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract and results sections: the statements that 'theoretical and numerical results match previous experiments well' and 'resolve a puzzle in CrSBr' are not accompanied by quantitative error metrics, direct side-by-side comparison of predicted versus measured intensities, or an analysis of possible fitting parameters; without these the experimental support remains at the level of qualitative consistency.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the phrase 'other than the conventional corepresentation method' is ambiguous; 'rather than' would clarify the intended contrast.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading of our manuscript and the constructive comments. We address each major comment below and outline the revisions we will make.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (paragraph on method choice): the claim that Onsager reciprocity transfers directly to the second-order Raman response tensor is presented without an explicit derivation showing that the electron-photon interaction Hamiltonian commutes with the assumed symmetry operations in the required way or that higher-order terms in the susceptibility expansion introduce no extra restrictions; this step is load-bearing for every tabulated tensor and for the CrSBr resolution.

    Authors: We agree that the manuscript would benefit from an explicit derivation of the applicability of Onsager reciprocity to the Raman tensor. In the revised manuscript we will add a dedicated subsection (or appendix) deriving the action of the symmetry operations on the electron-photon interaction Hamiltonian and confirming that higher-order terms in the susceptibility do not impose additional constraints beyond those already accounted for by the reciprocity relation. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and results sections: the statements that 'theoretical and numerical results match previous experiments well' and 'resolve a puzzle in CrSBr' are not accompanied by quantitative error metrics, direct side-by-side comparison of predicted versus measured intensities, or an analysis of possible fitting parameters; without these the experimental support remains at the level of qualitative consistency.

    Authors: We acknowledge that the experimental comparisons are currently presented at a qualitative level. In the revised manuscript we will augment the results section with quantitative error metrics (where the experimental data permit), direct side-by-side intensity comparisons, and an explicit discussion of fitting parameters used for the CrSBr spectra, thereby placing the agreement on a firmer quantitative footing. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: Onsager-based derivation is independent of inputs

full rationale

The paper applies the standard Onsager reciprocity relation (a known physical principle) to construct Raman tensors for magnetic point groups, explicitly as an alternative to the corepresentation method. No derivation step reduces by construction to a fitted parameter, self-citation chain, or renamed input; the generated tables are presented as outputs of the symmetry analysis and are checked against external experiments. The central claim remains self-contained against external benchmarks with no load-bearing self-citation or self-definitional reduction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 2 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on the applicability of Onsager reciprocity to the Raman tensor in magnetic groups and on the completeness of the direct-product representation method for selection rules. No free parameters or invented entities are mentioned.

axioms (2)
  • domain assumption Onsager reciprocity relation holds for the Raman response tensor in magnetic point groups
    Invoked as the replacement for the conventional corepresentation method (abstract).
  • domain assumption Direct product representations fully determine Raman selection rules once the tensors are known
    Used to obtain the comprehensive understanding of selection rules.

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