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A periodic-potential quench in a uniform optical box yields the intrinsic spin diffusivity and spin Seebeck coefficient of a strongly interacting Fermi gas.
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load-bearing objection Using a uniform box and a periodic-potential quench, this group reports the first homogeneous spin Seebeck coefficient and an intrinsic spin diffusivity that overrides the old trapped-cloud value; the result is plausible and well cross-checked internally, but it rests on a single-wavelength hydrodynamic model that the paper never tests. the 3 major comments →
Revealing the Spin Hydrodynamics of a Spin-Imbalanced Unitary Fermi Gas
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A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
After the periodic perturbation is switched off, the gas evolves as a damped first-sound mode plus two diffusive heat-spin modes. The paper shows that the leading short-time curvature of the polarization is set by the energy-spin Seebeck coefficient alone through the identity δ'''P(0) = -(2/3)(ħq²/m)S̃ε δ''ñ(0), so Sε can be measured without knowing the diffusivity. Fitting the full three-variable evolution then gives Ds = 2.20(10) ħ/m and Sε = 2.20(06)P, nearly constant over T/TF ≈ 0.4–0.6 and polarization up to 0.4. These are claimed to be the intrinsic homogeneous transport coefficients; an earlier trapped-cloud value of about 6.3 ħ/m is argued to be inflated because density vanishes near
What carries the argument
The central object is a ~33 µm periodic optical potential superposed on a uniform-density box, creating matched density ripples in both spin states. After the quench, the model tracks Fourier components of density, polarization, and temperature perturbations. Currents are driven by gradients of temperature and spin chemical potential, and the reciprocal relation between off-diagonal coefficients leaves one Seebeck/Peltier parameter. The key identity is the third time derivative of the polarization being proportional to Sε times the second derivative of density, which isolates the Seebeck coefficient from the other fit parameters; a separate result shows the first-sound diffusivity is indepen
Load-bearing premise
The whole extraction rests on the assumption that the gas at the probed 33 µm wavelength is described by the linearized three-variable hydrodynamic model with reciprocal constitutive relations and no missing relaxation channels; if that model is incomplete, the fitted coefficients are effective fit parameters rather than intrinsic transport coefficients.
What would settle it
Repeat the quench measurement at a different perturbation wavelength (for example λ ≈ 20 µm) and test whether the extracted Ds and Sε stay constant within error; a systematic q-dependence, or a violation of the early-time identity δ'''P(0) = -(2/3)(ħq²/m)S̃εδ''ñ(0), would show the hydrodynamic description is incomplete.
If this is right
- If the extraction is correct, the intrinsic spin diffusivity of a normal unitary Fermi gas is about 2.2 ħ/m in this temperature window, roughly a third of the value inferred from trapped inhomogeneous clouds.
- The energy-spin Seebeck coefficient is linear in polarization with slope 2.2(1) in units of ħ/m, so measurable spin currents can be generated by temperature gradients in spin-imbalanced gases.
- The near-independence of Ds and Sε from temperature gives a specific target for microscopic transport calculations; two-body kinetic theory underestimates Sε by an order of magnitude, and medium-corrected calculations still deviate from the data.
- No low-temperature growth characteristic of quantum degeneracy appears down to T/TF ≈ 0.4, so the approach of spin diffusion to the superfluid transition must be studied as a separate regime.
- The first-sound diffusivity obtained from the same fits provides independent constraints on viscosity and energy conductivity, linking this spin measurement to existing sound-attenuation data.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The uniform-box protocol could be run at shorter wavelengths; if the fitted Ds and Sε change with wavelength, the hydrodynamic model breaks down and the numbers should be read as effective coefficients, giving a concrete way to chart the hydrodynamic limit.
- The size of the correction relative to trapped-cloud results suggests that earlier inhomogeneous samples systematically overstate spin diffusivity; reanalyzing or repeating those experiments in nearly uniform traps could reconcile a decade of data.
- A temperature gradient applied to a box-confined imbalanced gas should produce a measurable spin accumulation with the sign and magnitude predicted by Sε; measuring that would test the Seebeck coefficient independently of the relaxation fit.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper reports measurements of spin transport in a spin-imbalanced unitary Fermi gas confined in a uniform optical box. A spatially periodic optical potential is quenched off, and the subsequent relaxation of the Fourier components of the majority/minority density, total density, and polarization is tracked. The data are fitted to a three-variable linear-response hydrodynamic model (density, polarization, temperature; Eqs. S97) with Onsager-symmetric constitutive relations, yielding the energy-spin Seebeck coefficient, the spin diffusivity, the first-sound diffusivity, and related thermodynamic and transport parameters. The central claims are that the measured energy-spin Seebeck coefficient S̃ε = 2.20(06)P and spin diffusivity D̃s = 2.20(10)ℏ/m are the intrinsic homogeneous transport coefficients of the normal-phase unitary Fermi gas, and that the earlier trapped-cloud value D̃s ≈ 6.3 overestimated the spin diffusivity due to density inhomogeneity. The paper also presents a second, polynomial-based extraction of S̃ε (Fig. S2) and comparisons with two-body kinetic theory and quantum Boltzmann predictions.
Significance. If the extracted coefficients are truly intrinsic homogeneous transport coefficients, this is a substantial advance: it resolves a long-standing discrepancy between trapped-cloud spin-diffusion measurements and theory, and it provides the first direct measurement of the spin Seebeck/Peltier coefficients in a strongly interacting Fermi gas. The uniform box geometry, the use of a periodic-potential quench, and the separate extraction of S̃ε by two routes (full model and polynomial short-time analysis) are genuine strengths. The measured thermodynamic quantity csn agrees with the Luttinger-Ward EOS at the 7% level, providing a nontrivial check on the thermodynamic input. The paper is careful to distinguish the fundamental energy-spin Seebeck coefficient from the heat-spin Seebeck coefficient and to show that the first-sound diffusivity is independent of Ds and Sε (Eq. S111). If the hydrodynamic closure is valid at the probed wavelength, the results are important benchmarks for microscopic theories.
major comments (3)
- [§II D, Eqs. S97; Fig. 2] The central claim that D̃s and S̃ε are intrinsic homogeneous transport coefficients rests on the validity of the three-variable linear-hydrodynamic model at a single wavevector λ ≈ 33 µm. No q-dependence test is reported, and no Knudsen number or estimate of gradient corrections is given. The 'long wavelength limit' comparison in §II D3 is an internal consistency check of the model against itself, not a test against data at another q. If higher-order gradient terms, viscoelastic memory, or box-edge coupling contribute at this wavelength, the fitted values are effective parameters of the assumed closure rather than intrinsic coefficients. Please provide either a measurement at a second wavevector, a quantitative bound on the Knudsen number, or an explicit estimate of the model-form error.
- [§II D2, Eq. S102; Fig. S2] The agreement between the full-model fit (S̃ε = 2.20P) and the polynomial method (S̃ε = 1.97P) is presented as an independent cross-check, but the polynomial method uses Eq. S102, δ'''P(0) = -(2/3)S̃ε γ0 δ''n(0), which is derived from the same model Eqs. S97. Both routes therefore share the same hydrodynamic closure, and the 10% difference only quantifies the internal consistency of the fit, not the validity of the hydrodynamic assumption. The text should state this limitation explicitly and, if possible, validate the closure by an independent observable or a second wavelength.
- [§I, Figs. 3–4; EOS input] The quoted uncertainties (e.g., D̃s = 2.20(10), S̃ε = 2.20(06)P) appear to be statistical only. The analysis uses the Luttinger-Ward T-matrix EOS of Ref. [28] for temperature calibration and all thermodynamic coefficients, and the measured csn deviates from the EOS prediction by 7% (Fig. S1). There is no systematic error budget that propagates the EOS uncertainty, the temperature-calibration uncertainty, or the uncertainty in the initial-condition determination into the transport coefficients. Please add a systematic-error analysis, or at least state the dominant systematic contributions and how they affect the quoted central values.
minor comments (5)
- [Title/header] The title in the manuscript header reads 'Unit ary Fermi Gas'; should be 'Unitary Fermi Gas'.
- [Discussion] 'spin-calorimetric properties' should likely be 'spin-caloritronic properties' for consistency with the rest of the text.
- [Eq. (1)] The matrix of transport coefficients is written as (κǫ Pǫ; Sǫ 2σs) but without matrix brackets; this is ambiguous. Please display it as a proper 2×2 matrix or define the ordering explicitly.
- [Abstract / §II C] The quantum Boltzmann prediction is described as 'parameter-free', but it uses the Luttinger-Ward EOS for thermodynamic consistency and the large-N expansion for the scattering kernel. The label is understandable but may overstate the absence of model dependence; a brief clarification would help.
- [Fig. S3/S4] The density shift of 0.82 is introduced ad hoc for the first-sound diffusivity comparison; the text should state whether this shift is independently measured or fitted, and how its uncertainty is propagated.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: transport coefficients are extracted from relaxation data by a hydrodynamic fit and benchmarked against independent microscopic calculations.
full rationale
The paper's central quantities, D̃s and S̃ε, are obtained as fit parameters in Eq. S97 from the measured time evolution of δn(q,t) and δP(q,t). They are not set equal to any theoretical prediction before the fit, and the comparison theories (quantum Boltzmann and Luttinger–Ward transport predictions) are computed independently from the measured relaxation. The short-time relation Eq. S102, δ'''P(0)=-(2/3)γ0 S̃ε δ¨n(0), is a derived consequence of the hydrodynamic model, not an input assumption equal to the measured data; using it for the polynomial estimate is a second estimator of the same model parameter, not a prediction-equals-fit reduction. The equation of state [28] is used for the temperature calibration and thermodynamic coefficients, but it does not itself contain the measured transport coefficients and is therefore not the target of the derivation; the co-authorship of J. Lang on [28] does not make the benchmark circular because the Luttinger–Ward EOS is independent of the values of Ds and Sε extracted from the relaxation data. The absence of a q-dependence test or Knudsen-number estimate is a model-validation concern about whether the fitted parameters are the intrinsic transport coefficients, not a circularity in which the output is equivalent to the input by construction.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (7)
- D̃s (dimensionless spin diffusivity) =
2.20(10)
- S̃ε (dimensionless energy-spin Seebeck coefficient) =
2.20(06) x P (slope)
- κ̃ε (dimensionless energy conductivity) =
not reported in main text
- η̃ (dimensionless shear viscosity) =
not reported in main text
- ωT (isothermal sound frequency) =
adjusted to match observed first-sound frequency
- Polynomial-fit coefficients (A0, A2, A3, C0, C3, C4) =
per-shot values
- Density shift 0.82 (D̃1 comparison) =
0.82
axioms (5)
- domain assumption The normal-phase unitary Fermi gas at T/TF ≈ 0.4–0.6 is described by the linearized three-variable hydrodynamic equations (S97) with the Onsager-symmetric constitutive relations of Eq. 1.
- domain assumption The Luttinger-Ward T-matrix EOS (Ref. [28], co-authored by J. Lang) supplies accurate universal functions fp, fh, fs1 for spin-imbalanced unitary gases.
- domain assumption Bulk viscosity ξB = 0 for a unitary Fermi gas.
- domain assumption Box-confinement and perturbation-potential terms can be dropped from the evolution equations in the measurement region.
- domain assumption Initial state satisfies δh = 0, δT = 0, δṅ = 0, with δP(0) = -csn δñ(0), where csn is measured.
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Hydrodynamics governs diverse collective phenomena in nature, from the expansion of a quarkgluon plasma to viscous electron flow in quantum materials. In strongly interacting hydrodynamic fluids, the transport of spin remains poorly understood. Here, we investigate spin transport in the hydrodynamic regime of a spin-imbalanced unitary Fermi gas confined in a uniform optical box. By quenching a spatially periodic optical potential that modulates both the density and spin polarization, we observe the relaxation of the many-body system, which determines both the spin diffusivity and the spin Seebeck/Peltier coefficients in a homogeneous quantum gas. Our measurements provide parameter-free benchmarks for microscopic theories and establish an ultracold atom platform for studying spin caloritronics in strongly correlated matter.
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Diffusive Current Densities We begin by defining the diffusive spin current density Ji for each of the spin species, i =↑, ↓. From Ref. [23], each densityni obeys ˙ni = −∇ · (vsni) − ∇ · Ji, (S33) with ∂tni ≡ ˙ni. Here, vsni is the advective current density, arising from the stream velocity fi eld vs. The total density n =∑ ini then obeys ˙n = −∇ ·(vsn) − ∇ ·...
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Expansion of the Current Densities We extract from the data the transport coefficients for the fund amental energy and spin current densities, Jǫ and Jspin. Following Ref. [23], we find the thermodynamic forces that determin e the current densities from the total entropy production rate ˙S = ∫ d3r ˙s. Using Eq. S50 and integrating the Jheat term by parts, we...
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Then T ∇ ( h T ) → ( ∂h ∂P ) nT ∇P in the current densities of Eq
Transport Properties in the High Temperature Kinetic The ory Limit In the high temperature limit, h = kB T 2 ln[(1+P )/(1−P )]. Then T ∇ ( h T ) → ( ∂h ∂P ) nT ∇P in the current densities of Eq. S53. In this case, the energy and spin current densities can be evaluated analytically using a linearized two-body Boltzmann equation [13], where the coefficients o...
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S35, ∂tn +∂i(nvsi) = 0, (S80) where a sum over i =x,y,z is implied
Evolution Equations For a normal phase two-component spin-imbalanced Fermi gas, we define the velocity field vs(r,t ) for the total densityn =n(r,t ), so that n satisfies the continuity equation Eq. S35, ∂tn +∂i(nvsi) = 0, (S80) where a sum over i =x,y,z is implied. The mass flux (momentum density) is ρvsi, with ρ = mn the mass density. The momentum density a...
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P (0), enabling measurement of this fundamental energy-spin Seebeck coefficient
Energy-Spin Seebeck Coefficient A remarkable constraint on ˜Sǫ is provided by the third derivative δ ... P (0), enabling measurement of this fundamental energy-spin Seebeck coefficient. We recall that δ˜n(0) ̸= 0, δ ˙˜n(0) = 0, δ ˆT (0) = 0, and δP (0) = −csnδ˜n(0). Using these initial conditions in Eqs. S97, we find that δ ˙P (0) = 0 and δ ˙ˆT (0) = 0, which ...
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First Sound Diffusivity In this section, we show that the first sound diffusivity D1 is independent of Sǫ and Ds, and depends only on κǫ and the shear viscosity η, simplifying the analysis of the data. We begin by looking at the mode st ructure of the solutions to Eqs. S97. Assuming modes of the form δ˜n(q,t ) = Ae−st, δ ˆT (q,t ) = Be−st, and δP (q,t ) = Ce...
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