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The ENSO–monsoon link is strong and stationary when measured with a global subsurface index, because the monsoon lags a synchronized chaotic partner by 18 months.

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A D20-based Global-ENSO index shows a stable ~0.8 correlation with Indian monsoon rainfall at 18-month lead via lag synchronization of chaotic oscillators, independent of global warming.

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load-bearing objection Solid multi-dataset evidence that a D20-based Global-ENSO index yields a high, relatively stationary 18-month correlation with ISMR; the chaotic lag-synchronization framing is an untested re-labeling of that correlation. the 3 major comments →

arxiv 2603.16346 v3 pith:AHEMI5ZU submitted 2026-03-17 physics.ao-ph

Resolving the Paradox of Changing El Ni\~no-Monsoon Relation through Synchronization of Chaotic Oscillators

Devabrat Sharma , Sagar Sedani , Shruti Tandon , Gaurav Chopra , R. I. Sujith , B. N. Goswami This is my paper
classification physics.ao-ph
keywords ENSO-Monsoon relationshipGlobal-ENSO20°C isotherm depthlag synchronizationchaotic oscillatorsIndian summer monsoon rainfalllong-lead predictabilityteleconnections
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The pith

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The reading

For more than a century the Indian summer monsoon’s link to El Niño has been measured with Pacific sea-surface temperature indices, which show large multi-decadal swings and an apparent recent weakening. This paper argues that those swings are an artifact of incomplete, noisy Pacific-only indices. When ENSO is redefined as a Global-ENSO index built from the depth of the 20°C isotherm across all three tropical oceans, the correlation with Indian summer monsoon rainfall becomes strong (about 0.8) and essentially constant at an 18-month lead. The authors attribute the stability to lag synchronization of two chaotic oscillators: the monsoon rainfall evolves as a delayed realization of the subsurface Global-ENSO state. Because the relationship remains strong under historical warming and in selected future climate simulations, the work claims that long-range monsoon predictability is more robust than the Pacific-SST literature has suggested.

Core claim

When the ENSO–monsoon relationship is measured with the D20-based Global-ENSO index Dp rather than with Pacific SST, the true relationship is strong (long-term correlation ~0.8–0.85), stationary across the historical record and selected CMIP6 projections, and arises as lag synchronization between ISMR and Dp at an 18-month lead.

What carries the argument

Global-ENSO index Dp: the projection of tropical (30°S–30°N) 20°C isotherm depth anomalies onto the long-term correlation pattern with Indian summer monsoon rainfall. At 18-month lead this index both maximizes the correlation and exhibits elevated phase-locking with the monsoon, which the authors interpret as lag synchronization of chaotic oscillators.

Load-bearing premise

That high lagged correlation and rising phase-locking value prove lag synchronization of two deterministic chaotic oscillators, rather than shared multi-decadal forcing or residual analysis artifacts in the subsurface data.

What would settle it

Show that the 18-month lead Dp–ISMR correlation and the associated phase-locking value collapse once off-equatorial multi-decadal signals (AMV/PDO imprint) are removed from D20, or that independent ocean reanalyses and fully coupled models fail to reproduce a stable high correlation at that lead.

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If this is right

  • Apparent multi-decadal weakening of the ENSO–monsoon relationship is an artifact of Pacific SST indices and does not imply declining monsoon predictability.
  • Long-lead (18-month) skill for Indian summer monsoon rainfall is physically grounded and remains available under moderate greenhouse-gas forcing.
  • Analogous Global-ENSO predictors constructed for other tropical monsoon systems should likewise reveal long-lead predictability if the same lag-synchronization mechanism operates.
  • Predictability estimates should be taken as the highest correlation at any lead, not only the simultaneous Pacific-SST correlation.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If lag synchronization is the operative mechanism, the same construction of a subsurface Global-ENSO index should unlock multi-year predictability for other tropical monsoons and for ENSO itself.
  • The result suggests that slow ocean memory can systematically overcome the spring predictability barrier once the correct spatial filter is applied.
  • A practical next test is whether deep-learning or dynamical models that ingest tropical D20 at 18-month lead can convert the reported potential skill into real forecast skill over independent decades.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 4 minor

Summary. The manuscript argues that the well-known multi-decadal fluctuations in the ENSO–Monsoon relationship (EMR) are largely an artifact of using noisy Pacific SST indices (Niño 3.4, Sp). It constructs a Global-ENSO index Dp by projecting tropical D20 anomalies onto the long-term (1875–2010) correlation map with ISMR, shows that Dp–ISMR correlation reaches ~0.8–0.85 at 18-month lead and is nearly stationary across historical data and selected CMIP6 projections, and attributes this stationarity and long-lead skill to lag synchronization of two chaotic oscillators (ISMR and Dp). Supporting evidence includes multi-dataset moving correlations, regression maps of SST and monsoon Hadley circulation, scatter plots, and phase-locking values (PLV rising from 0.44 at lag 0 to 0.75 at lag 18).

Significance. If the empirical stationarity of the Dp–ISMR teleconnection holds, the paper would resolve a long-standing controversy about the reliability of monsoon predictability under climate change and would strengthen the case for subsurface ocean predictors in seasonal-to-interannual forecasting. The multi-dataset comparison of Pacific SST indices and the demonstration that a carefully constructed D20-based index remains skillful at long leads are useful contributions. The claim of a new physical basis for predictability beyond the conventional chaos limit is potentially high-impact, but currently rests on correlative diagnostics rather than a completed dynamical demonstration of chaotic lag synchronization.

major comments (3)
  1. Section 3.1 and Abstract: The central mechanistic claim that stationarity of EMR is a natural consequence of lag synchronization of deterministic chaotic oscillators is not yet established. The paper itself states that a dynamical demonstration is currently under investigation and that the long-lead filtering of sampling noise is only an intuitive understanding (Sec. 3.2). Linear scatter (Fig. 2j) and elevated PLV are consistent with shared low-frequency forcing (AMV/PDO imprint on off-equatorial D20, also discussed in Sec. 3.2) and do not uniquely diagnose chaotic lag synchronization (Rosenblum et al.). Either supply Lyapunov spectra, mutual-information or controlled-coupling diagnostics that isolate the oscillators from AMV/PDO, or reframe the claim as high lagged correlation consistent with lag synchronization pending further dynamical tests.
  2. Text S1 and construction of Dp: Dp is obtained by projecting D20 anomalies onto the long-term (1875–2010) correlation map with ISMR itself. Using the same map both to define the predictor and to evaluate its skill introduces a circularity burden that inflates the reported long-term correlation (~0.8). A fully independent construction (e.g., correlation map from a non-overlapping early period, or a leave-one-decade-out scheme) and out-of-sample skill scores are needed before the stationarity and predictability claims can be considered robust.
  3. Section 3.3 and Figs. 3g–h / S3: The claim that EMR remains strong under future GHG forcing is supported by only a subset of CMIP6 models (at most three under RCP4.5). Inter-model spread is large and several models show weak or insignificant correlations. The text should quantify how many models pass a pre-defined skill threshold, discuss systematic biases in ENSO–monsoon coupling and multidecadal variability, and avoid generalizing from the best-performing models to the broader ensemble.
minor comments (4)
  1. Figure 1 panels (c–f) and (g–h) are dense; adding panel labels and a clearer legend for the ensemble-mean line would improve readability.
  2. Notation for lead times is inconsistent (lead 0, −5, −18, 18-month lead). Standardize throughout text and figures.
  3. Table S1 reports no mean for Kaplan Niño 3.4; either supply the value or note why it is omitted.
  4. Several recent references on ENSO–monsoon non-stationarity and subsurface predictors could be added for completeness; the existing citation list is otherwise adequate.

Circularity Check

4 steps flagged

Dp is constructed by projecting D20 onto the long-term ISMR correlation map; the reported high skill and stationarity of EMR are therefore partly by construction of the predictor itself.

specific steps
  1. self definitional [Text S1 (G-ENSO Indices) and Introduction (construction of Dp)]
    "To construct Dp, first we obtain correlation maps between D20 and ISMR anomalies over a long time period (1875-2010) and retain correlations with >95% significance (Text S1). ... Next, using Hadamard (location-by-location) multiplication of the spatial pattern of D20 anomalies with the correlation map and then summing up across all locations, we obtain the Dp time series. ... For any given lead, the index is generated by projecting the anomaly field ... onto a long-term correlation pattern obtained between the corresponding anomaly field and ISMR anomalies during a reference period."

    Dp is defined as the projection of D20 onto the very correlation pattern that maximises its association with ISMR over the same historical window used for skill evaluation. The subsequent claim that ISMR-Dp correlation reaches ~0.8-0.85 and is stationary is therefore partly tautological: the index is constructed to be the linear combination of D20 that best matches ISMR, so high correlation (and reduced epochal scatter once the map is fixed) is expected by construction rather than independently discovered.

  2. fitted input called prediction [Section 3.2 / Figures 3d-f and 1g-h; Abstract claim of 'strong and stable correlation (~0.8)']
    "Contrary to previous findings, ISMR shows a strong and stable correlation (~0.8) with Dp at 18-month lead during the historical period. ... At 18-month lead the EMR stabilizes, showing minimal epochal variability and consistently strong positive correlations across datasets (Figure 3f). The long-term correlation increases from 0.6 at zero lead to 0.85 at 18 months."

    The 'prediction' skill and the stationarity of EMR are evaluated with the same Dp that was fitted (via the 1875-2010 correlation map) to maximise association with ISMR. The 18-month peak and the disappearance of multidecadal fluctuations are therefore not free predictions; they inherit the spatial filter that was chosen precisely because it correlates with the target. Moving-window correlations still use the fixed map derived from the full period, so the reported stability is not an out-of-sample discovery.

  3. self citation load bearing [Introduction and Section 3.1 (prior establishment of Dp skill)]
    "Having established Dp as a superior ISMR predictor (Sharma, Das, Chakraborty, et al., 2025; Sharma et al., 2022) (Figure 1g), here, we provide a physical basis for the 18-month lead predictability of ISMR. ... deep learning model demonstrates the feasibility of achieving a correlation skill of 0.65 at 18-month lead over 44 years of independent ISMR forecasts (Sharma, Das, Chakraborty, et al., 2025)."

    The claim that Dp is already a 'superior' predictor whose 18-month skill needs only a physical interpretation is load-bearing on the authors' own prior papers that introduced the identical construction. Those earlier results are not independently re-derived or externally validated here; they are imported to justify treating the high lagged correlation as given, after which the present paper re-labels it as lag synchronization.

  4. renaming known result [Section 3.1-3.2 (lag synchronization claim)]
    "the high correlation and PLV at longer leads signifies that these two chaotic systems are lag synchronized rather than being independent. ... We discover that the stationarity in the El Nino-Monsoon relationship emerges as a natural consequence of chaotic synchronization between Indian summer monsoon rainfall and 20 degree Celsius isotherm at an 18-month lead. ... Although the implications of chaotic synchronization between ISMR and Dp at 18-month lead ... is currently under investigation"

    The observables offered (linear scatter Y(t)≈X(t-τ) and PLV rising from 0.44 to 0.75) are simply re-descriptions of the high lagged correlation already produced by the self-defined Dp. The paper renames this correlation 'lag synchronization of chaotic oscillators' while conceding that a dynamical demonstration remains under investigation and that the multidecadal memory itself arises from shared AMV/PDO forcing on off-equatorial D20. No new diagnostic (Lyapunov spectra, mutual information, controlled coupling) is supplied; the known empirical pattern is re-labelled.

full rationale

The paper's central empirical claim (stable EMR ~0.8 at 18-month lead, independent of warming) rests on the G-ENSO index Dp. Text S1 and the Introduction define Dp by projecting D20 anomalies onto the long-term (1875-2010) correlation map between D20 and ISMR itself, retaining only >95% significant locations. The same map that defines the predictor is then used to evaluate its correlation with ISMR (Figs. 1g-h, 3d-f). This is a classic self-definitional / fitted-input construction: the index is the spatial pattern that maximises contemporaneous association with the target, so elevated lagged skill and reduced epochal variability are partly forced by that choice rather than discovered independently. The lag-synchronization interpretation (Y(t)≈X(t-τ), PLV rising to 0.75) is not algebraically forced by the same map, but the paper itself states that a dynamical demonstration is 'currently under investigation' and that the long-lead filtering of sampling noise is only an 'intuitive understanding'; the synchronization claim therefore inherits the circular construction of Dp without independent verification (Lyapunov spectra, controlled coupling, isolation from AMV/PDO). Self-citations to Sharma et al. (2022, 2025) supply the prior skill numbers but are not the sole load-bearing step; the definitional circularity of Dp is. Score 6 reflects partial circularity of the main empirical result without rendering the entire paper vacuous.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

3 free parameters · 4 axioms · 2 invented entities

The central claim rests on the observational construction of Dp (projection onto an ISMR correlation map), the interpretation of high lagged correlation + PLV as lag synchronization of deterministic chaos, and the assumption that off-equatorial D20 carries a clean multi-decadal memory from AMV/PDO that is free of the sampling noise that affects equatorial D20 and SST. No free numerical parameters are fitted beyond the conventional 95 % significance threshold and moving-window lengths; the main invented entity is the Global-ENSO index itself and the postulated lag-synchronized chaotic pair.

free parameters (3)
  • 95 % significance threshold for correlation-map mask
    Used to retain only statistically significant grid points when constructing Sp/Dp/Hp (Text S1); conventional but still a choice that affects the index.
  • 21-year / 31-year moving-correlation window lengths
    Chosen for visualizing epochal variability of EMR; different windows would alter the apparent stationarity.
  • 18-month lead selected as the synchronization lag
    Identified as the lead of maximum correlation; treated thereafter as the fixed delay of the lag-synchronized system.
axioms (4)
  • ad hoc to paper High lagged linear correlation plus elevated phase-locking value between two climate time series implies lag synchronization of deterministic chaotic oscillators.
    Invoked in Section 3.2 and the abstract; standard nonlinear-dynamics literature requires additional tests (e.g., conditional Lyapunov exponents, controlled coupling) that are not performed.
  • domain assumption Subsurface D20 anomalies are essentially free of the high-frequency climate noise that contaminates SST, and therefore provide a cleaner memory of ENSO precursors.
    Stated throughout Sections 1 and 3.1; widely accepted for equatorial thermocline but less secure for the off-equatorial band that dominates long-lead Dp.
  • domain assumption Off-equatorial tropical D20 (10–30° latitude) carries a quasi-stationary multi-decadal imprint of AMV/PDO that phase-locks with ISMR multi-decadal variability at long leads.
    Offered as the physical explanation for why long-lead Dp filters sampling noise (Section 3.2); supported by citation to earlier work but not demonstrated with new dynamical experiments here.
  • domain assumption Linear projection of anomaly fields onto a fixed long-term correlation map yields a physically meaningful Global-ENSO index.
    Core construction method (Text S1); standard in climate teleconnection studies but introduces dependence on the target variable.
invented entities (2)
  • Global-ENSO (G-ENSO) indices Sp, Dp, Hp no independent evidence
    purpose: To integrate simultaneous contributions from all three tropical ocean basins into a single predictor that maximizes ISMR teleconnection and reduces climate noise.
    Defined by the authors in prior work and used as the superior predictor throughout; independent evidence is the reported high correlation itself, which is partly by construction.
  • Lag-synchronized chaotic oscillator pair (ISMR, Dp at 18-month lead) no independent evidence
    purpose: To supply a physical mechanism for the observed high lagged correlation and for predictability beyond the classical chaos limit.
    Postulated on the basis of correlation, scatter and PLV; the paper states that a full dynamical investigation is still under way.

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For over a century, the relationship between Indian summer monsoon rainfall and El Nino-Southern Oscillation has been the foundation of 'long-range' prediction of Indian monsoon. This relation is estimated from correlations between Indian summer monsoon rainfall and a Pacific sea surface temperature-based index of El Nino-Southern Oscillation. However, a prominent multi-decadal variability in the correlation raises doubts on the realism of El Nino-Monsoon relation and stability of Indian monsoon predictability. Previous studies discussed that Pacific-based El Nino-Southern Oscillation indices do not represent El Nino's global influence completely, making their correlation with Indian monsoon unreliable. To address this limitation, a Global El Nino-Southern Oscillation framework based on the depth of the 20 degree Celsius isotherm is developed, integrating subsurface signal from all three tropical ocean basins and maximizing Indian monsoon teleconnections. Contrary to previous findings, the 20 degree Celsius isotherm-based Global El Nino-Southern Oscillation exhibits a strong and stable correlation (greater than 0.8) with Indian monsoon at an 18-month lead. Through a re-examination of the El Nino-Monsoon relationship with the superior Global El Nino-Southern Oscillation predictor, we show that the true relationship is independent of global warming and stationary in time. We discover that the stationarity in the El Nino-Monsoon relationship emerges as a natural consequence of chaotic synchronization between Indian summer monsoon rainfall and 20 degree Celsius isotherm at an 18-month lead. Such synchronization between chaotic climate variables provides a new physical basis for climate predictability beyond the conventional deterministic limit set by chaos. Our findings provide the foundation and renewed confidence in long range climate prediction.

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