REVIEW 4 major objections 5 minor 1 cited by
Large Language Models with Temporal Reasoning for Longitudinal Clinical Summarization and Prediction
T0 review · 4 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-09 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Open-source LLMs still cannot reliably summarise long patient trajectories or reason across time; retrieval augmentation helps only partly.
desk verdict Useful evaluation of open LLMs on long clinical sequences, but the headline temporal-reasoning claim isn't actually measured; needs a direct temporal check and statistical rigor. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing mechanism is the task itself: each record is verbalized into natural language with relative timestamps, grouped by time, and either fed whole (direct generation), split and retrieved (RAG), or first compressed into a temporally ordered 'key events' list by chain-of-thought prompting before summarization. The comparison manipulates context availability: no prior context, single-day context, or multi-day context for progress notes, and 24- vs 48-hour windows with notes, tabular data, or both for discharge summaries. These manipulations are what let the paper attribute differences in performance to temporal reasoning rather than to dataset or modality alone.
What would settle it
Give a long-context LLM a full multi-day admission instead of the last 24 or 48 hours and compare its discharge summary against the same model restricted to the short window; if full-input summaries reach clinician-level completeness and accuracy, the paper's claim that models cannot reason over long longitudinal trajectories would be undermined. A simpler version: find one 72-hour-plus admission where an event on day 1 determines the discharge diagnosis, and check whether the model using only the final window misses it while the full-input model catches it.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central finding is that the bottleneck is temporal reasoning, not context length. On discharge summarization, feeding the model only the last 24 or 48 hours produced modest ROUGE-L scores, with Qwen and RAG reaching the highest value; for daily Assessment and Plan generation, adding one prior day helped, but adding all prior days did not consistently beat a single prior day; and on six EHRShot diagnosis-prediction tasks, models defaulted to the majority class, giving high accuracy but F1 scores near zero for rare diseases such as celiac disease and lupus. RAG improved hallucination in expert review but did not close the gap, and a chain-of-thought event-extraction step did not beat direct generation. The paper argues that these results establish a need for evaluations and models that are temporally grounded, rather than simply long-context or retrieval-heavy.
Load-bearing premise
The discharge-summarization task assumes that the last 24 or 48 hours of a stay contain all the information needed to write the full discharge summary, so clinically important events from earlier in a long admission are never shown to the model.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Evaluation of clinical summarization should be redesigned so that correct answers require information from several days earlier, rather than a short pre-discharge window.
- Retrieval augmentation is a partial mitigation for hallucination but not a substitute for temporal grounding; models need training or prompting that explicitly links events across timestamps.
- Rare-disease prediction will need methods beyond majority-class calibration, because raw accuracy is inflated by class imbalance.
- Chain-of-thought event extraction offers interpretability but, as currently pipelined, does not improve generation quality; any future use should include adaptation or integration with instruction tuning.
- Adding prior context improves progress-note generation up to a point; single-day context can outperform multi-day context in later hospital days, implying diminishing returns from longer history.
Reading between the lines
- Editorial inference: if the bottleneck is temporal reasoning rather than context length, then a fair test is to construct patient trajectories where the key diagnosis is only inferable from a critical event many days before the summary window; the paper's short-window design leaves that test open.
- Editorial inference: the near-zero F1 for rare diseases suggests that future work should report precision and recall rather than accuracy, and could explore counterfactual data augmentation or retrieval of similar rare cases.
- Editorial inference: the finding that shuffled tabular data sometimes outperforms chronological tabular data in the 24-hour window hints that near-discharge data is nearly order-independent; outside that window, temporal order may matter more, which is a testable extension.
- Editorial inference: since RAG improved hallucination in expert review but not automated metrics, evaluation of longitudinal summarization may need richer clinician-annotated criteria, such as retention of outdated diagnoses, rather than ROUGE and BERTScore alone.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper evaluates five open-source LLMs (Mistral-7B, Llama3-8B, Qwen2.5-7B, DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Qwen-32B, Llama2-13B), their RAG variants, and a chain-of-thought event-extraction pipeline on two public EHR datasets (MIMIC-III and EHRShot), across three tasks: discharge summarization, assessment-and-plan (A&P) generation, and diagnosis prediction. It re-engineers these tasks into long-context, multi-modal settings with temporally ordered inputs, and reports ROUGE-L, SapBERT-BERTScore, and macro F1/accuracy, plus a small expert review. The main conclusions are that long context windows improve input integration but do not consistently enhance clinical reasoning, that models struggle with temporal progression and rare disease prediction, and that RAG yields only partial, inconsistent improvements.
Significance. If the findings hold, the paper provides a useful, reproducible evaluation of open-source LLMs on longitudinal clinical summarization and prediction, and it highlights a real gap: raw context length and retrieval do not by themselves solve temporal reasoning or rare-disease prediction. The design is methodical, uses public datasets, evaluates zero-shot on held-out patients, and compares multiple models, prompting strategies, and input modalities. The authors also provide a transparent account of preprocessing and hyperparameter selection. However, the paper's distinctive claim about temporal reasoning is not directly supported by the reported metrics, because none of ROUGE-L, BERTScore, or macro F1 isolates temporal ordering correctness. The manuscript is therefore a solid empirical study with an overclaimed interpretive layer, and it is best published after either adding direct temporal-consistency evaluation or rephrasing the conclusions to match what the metrics can actually show.
major comments (4)
- [Section 4.2 and Section 5 (Tables 2, 4, 5, 6)] The headline conclusion that models "struggle with ... temporal reasoning" is not directly measured. ROUGE-L, SapBERT-BERTScore, and macro F1/accuracy reward lexical or semantic overlap with a gold reference or binary classification accuracy; they do not score whether generated events appear in the correct temporal order or whether causal links across time are preserved. The only temporal manipulation, SHUFFLED TABULAR in §3.1 and Figure 5, is applied to the final 24/48 hours, which the authors themselves describe as a clinically stable window, so it tests order sensitivity in a snapshot rather than reasoning across a trajectory. The extracted event lists in the CoT approach (Table 5) are never checked for temporal correctness. Please add a direct temporal-consistency evaluation (for example, event-order accuracy, timestamp-violation rate, or human judgments of temporal coherence) or restrict the conclusions to summarization and prediction deficits without the temporal-reasoning framing.
- [Section 3.1 (Discharge Summarization)] The discharge summarization task limits input to the last 24 or 48 hours of hospitalization, yet the abstract and introduction claim the paper evaluates "full patient trajectories" and "long-context" clinical data. With this window, any clinically important events that occurred earlier in the admission are never seen by the model, so the task measures short-window summarization rather than reasoning over the complete longitudinal course. This is a load-bearing mismatch between the task design and the claimed scope. Please either extend the input to the full stay (with appropriate length controls or retrieval over the full stay) or explicitly describe the discharge task as a short-window summarization task and adjust the abstract and conclusion accordingly.
- [Section 4.1 and Appendix A.4] RAG hyperparameters (chunk size, top-k, overlap) were selected on a held-out set of n=5, and the CoT temporal-context settings were selected on n=20 development patients, but no significance testing or confidence intervals are reported anywhere in the paper. Many comparative claims in Section 5 (for example, "RAG generally improves performance" and "long context windows improve input integration") are based on differences that fall within one standard deviation of the reported means, such as Mistral's discharge-summarization RAG vs. direct-generation scores (15.04 vs. 16.28 with σ≈2–13). Without significance tests or an analysis of how the small tuning sets affect generalization, these comparative conclusions are not established. Please add appropriate statistical tests or confidence intervals and discuss the sensitivity of the conclusions to the tuning procedure.
- [Table 6 (EHRShot diagnosis prediction)] The near-zero F1 scores for Celiac and Lupus with accuracies around 95% are exactly what one expects from majority-class prediction given negative prevalence of 96.54% and 95.56%. These results demonstrate class-imbalance failure, not specifically a temporal-reasoning failure. The text in Section 5 partially acknowledges this, but the discussion should report balanced metrics such as AUROC or AUPRC, and should avoid presenting these results as evidence about temporal reasoning. Without such metrics, the reader cannot distinguish a model that ignores all temporal information from one that reasons well but is not calibrated for rare outcomes.
minor comments (5)
- [Section 4.2] The word "summarizatoin" is a typo and should read "summarization."
- [Appendix A.9, Table 18] In the Qwen row, the Single-Day ROUGE-L value is reported as 77.50 ± 5.37, which appears inconsistent with the value 20.74 reported in Table 4 for the same condition; this is likely a copy-and-paste error and should be corrected.
- [Figure 5 caption] The caption states "Average f1 results across modalities and time windows," but the surrounding text discusses ROUGE-L and BERTScore; please clarify which metric (or average of metrics) is plotted.
- [Section 3.1] The phrase "shuffled the tabular data by their timestamps" is ambiguous; it should read "shuffled the tabular data with respect to their timestamps" or "shuffled the timestamp order of the tabular data."
- [Section 6 and Limitations] The expert error analysis is based on 10 pairs of outputs from a single physician using an instrument that the authors explicitly state was not validated. This is an acknowledged limitation, but the claim in Section 6 that "RAG performs slightly better, with fewer hallucinations" should be presented more cautiously, for example as an exploratory observation.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the central claims are empirical evaluations on held-out data, and the self-citations found are method choices that are not load-bearing.
full rationale
The paper makes no formal derivation claims; its results are zero-shot empirical evaluations on held-out patients, with hyperparameter and prompt optimization performed on small separate development sets (Sections 4.1 and Appendices A.4, A.5), so no reported number is forced by fitted parameters or renamed as a prediction. The central limitation claim that models struggle with temporal reasoning is an interpretation of low ROUGE-L, BERTScore, and F1 values rather than a quantity defined in terms of those scores; the absence of a direct temporal-ordering metric is a measurement-validity concern, not a circularity. Self-citations (e.g., Gao et al. 2023a, 2022; Myers et al. 2024; Gao et al. 2024) support method choices such as BGE embeddings and table-to-text verbalization, but these choices are not the paper's conclusions, are not invoked to forbid alternatives, and do not assert any uniqueness theorem. The discharge-summarization restriction to the last 24 or 48 hours is an explicitly disclosed task-design choice ('We limit input to the last 24 hours to prevent overloading the LLM while prioritizing the most relevant information for discharge'), not a hidden definitional equivalence. No equation or fitted value is equivalent by construction to the outputs claimed as findings, and no load-bearing argument reduces to the authors' prior work. Accordingly, no circular steps are identified.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (6)
- RAG chunk size =
selected from {250, 500, 750}
- RAG top-k =
selected from {10, 20, 50}
- RAG chunk overlap =
selected from {50, 100, 200}
- CoT temporal context =
FORWARD all prior days and BACKWARD one following day
- Discharge input window =
24 or 48 hours
- Prompt and query variant per model =
per-model prompts in Tables 13-17
assumptions (5)
- domain assumption ICU stays longer than 72 hours provide sufficient context for evaluating long-document summarization and temporal reasoning.
- domain assumption Converting structured EHR values into natural-language templates preserves the temporal and clinical semantics needed for reasoning.
- domain assumption ROUGE-L and SapBERT-based BERTScore are adequate proxies for the clinical quality of summaries.
- ad hoc to paper Hyperparameters and CoT context settings selected on n=5 or n=20 development cases generalize to the reported test cases.
- domain assumption The EHRShot binary diagnosis tasks are meaningful tests of temporal reasoning rather than pattern-matching on feature presence.
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Pith. "Pith review of Large Language Models with Temporal Reasoning for Longitudinal Clinical Summarization and Prediction." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/CYBW3MU4
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read the original abstract
Recent advances in large language models (LLMs) have shown potential in clinical text summarization, but their ability to handle long patient trajectories with multi-modal data spread across time remains underexplored. This study systematically evaluates several state-of-the-art open-source LLMs, their Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG) variants and chain-of-thought (CoT) prompting on long-context clinical summarization and prediction. We examine their ability to synthesize structured and unstructured Electronic Health Records (EHR) data while reasoning over temporal coherence, by re-engineering existing tasks, including discharge summarization and diagnosis prediction from two publicly available EHR datasets. Our results indicate that long context windows improve input integration but do not consistently enhance clinical reasoning, and LLMs are still struggling with temporal progression and rare disease prediction. While RAG shows improvements in hallucination in some cases, it does not fully address these limitations. Our work fills the gap in long clinical text summarization, establishing a foundation for evaluating LLMs with multi-modal data and temporal reasoning.
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