REVIEW 2 major objections 1 minor
Under amplitude stability, a generalized phase from trajectories produces a closed circle map whose coupling matches the asymptotic phase equation.
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load-bearing objection The paper shows a stroboscopic circle map from generalized phase equals the asymptotic-phase coupling under strong amplitude stability and near-uniform rotation, but those conditions lack quantitative bounds. the 2 major comments →
An Isochron-Free Framework for Phase Reduction and Coupling Inference
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Core claim
Under strong amplitude stability and near-uniform rotation of the generalized phase on the unperturbed cycle, the one-period stroboscopic map is a closed circle map whose interaction term depends only on the phase difference, and this coupling function coincides with the one obtained from the asymptotic phase reduction.
What carries the argument
The stroboscopic circle map derived from the generalized phase, which closes under the stated conditions and carries the same coupling function as the asymptotic phase equation.
Load-bearing premise
The generalized phase must rotate nearly uniformly and the amplitude must be strongly stable on the unperturbed cycle, otherwise the stroboscopic description does not close to a phase-difference map.
What would settle it
Observe whether the stroboscopic return map from generalized phase trajectories depends only on phase difference or retains amplitude dependence when amplitude stability is weak.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript develops an isochron-free phase-reduction framework for weakly coupled limit-cycle oscillators that starts from a readily constructible generalized phase (e.g., polar angle) rather than asymptotic phase defined by isochrons. Under the stated conditions of strong amplitude stability and near-uniform rotation of the generalized phase on the unperturbed cycle, a one-period stroboscopic map is shown to close on the circle with an interaction term that depends only on the phase difference; moreover, the coupling function of this circle map is identical to the coupling function obtained from the asymptotic-phase equation. The reduction is then used to motivate a coupling-inference procedure from oscillatory time series.
Significance. If the central claims hold, the work supplies a practical route to phase modeling and coupling inference that avoids explicit isochron construction, thereby extending phase-reduction techniques to experimental data and high-dimensional models where isochrons are intractable. The asserted equivalence of coupling functions between the stroboscopic circle map and the asymptotic-phase description is a theoretically useful result that could simplify data-driven synchronization studies.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the central claims require 'strong amplitude stability' and 'near-uniform rotation of the generalized phase on the unperturbed cycle,' yet no quantitative bounds (decay-rate thresholds, phase-speed variation limits, or testable criteria) are supplied. These conditions are load-bearing for closure of the stroboscopic map and for the claimed identity of the coupling functions; without explicit bounds the applicability of the framework cannot be verified in practice.
- [Abstract] Abstract (and the derivation summarized therein): the reduction to a closed circle map whose interaction depends only on phase difference is asserted to follow from the one-period stroboscopic sampling, but the manuscript provides no explicit demonstration that residual amplitude dependence is eliminated once the stated conditions hold. This step is load-bearing for both the map closure and the coupling-function equivalence.
minor comments (1)
- The abstract is concise, but a short dedicated paragraph or subsection that formally defines the generalized phase and states the precise mathematical conditions (with any accompanying notation) would improve readability.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful and constructive review. The comments highlight important points about the presentation of the framework's assumptions and derivations. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript to improve clarity and applicability.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claims require 'strong amplitude stability' and 'near-uniform rotation of the generalized phase on the unperturbed cycle,' yet no quantitative bounds (decay-rate thresholds, phase-speed variation limits, or testable criteria) are supplied. These conditions are load-bearing for closure of the stroboscopic map and for the claimed identity of the coupling functions; without explicit bounds the applicability of the framework cannot be verified in practice.
Authors: We agree that the absence of quantitative bounds limits practical verification. The manuscript defines the conditions in terms of exponential attraction to the limit cycle and bounded phase-speed variation, but does not supply explicit thresholds. In revision we will add an appendix providing example quantitative criteria (e.g., requiring the leading Floquet multiplier to satisfy | ho| < 0.1 per period and phase-speed variation < 5 % along the unperturbed orbit) together with numerical illustrations on model systems that demonstrate when the stroboscopic map closes to the required accuracy. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (and the derivation summarized therein): the reduction to a closed circle map whose interaction depends only on phase difference is asserted to follow from the one-period stroboscopic sampling, but the manuscript provides no explicit demonstration that residual amplitude dependence is eliminated once the stated conditions hold. This step is load-bearing for both the map closure and the coupling-function equivalence.
Authors: The full derivation appears in Section III, where a perturbation expansion of the stroboscopic return map is performed and the exponential decay of amplitude deviations is used to show that all residual amplitude-dependent terms vanish at leading order, leaving an interaction that depends only on the phase difference; the equivalence to the asymptotic-phase coupling function then follows by matching the first-order interaction integrals. Nevertheless, the abstract summarizes this step without sufficient detail. We will revise the abstract to include a brief outline of the elimination argument and add a short clarifying paragraph in the introduction that points explicitly to the relevant equations in Section III. revision: partial
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; derivation conditional on explicit assumptions
full rationale
The paper starts from non-closed generalized-phase dynamics and derives the closed stroboscopic circle map (with phase-difference-only interaction and matching asymptotic-phase coupling) only after imposing the stated conditions of strong amplitude stability and near-uniform rotation. These conditions are external premises, not derived from the target result. No equations reduce by construction to fitted parameters, self-definitions, or self-citation chains; the equivalence is shown to hold precisely when the premises are satisfied. The framework is therefore self-contained relative to its own assumptions and does not exhibit load-bearing circularity.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- domain assumption strong amplitude stability of the limit-cycle oscillator
- domain assumption near-uniform rotation of the generalized phase on the unperturbed cycle
read the original abstract
Phase description provides a compact and powerful framework for analyzing synchronization dynamics in weakly coupled limit-cycle oscillators. While its classical formulation relies on the asymptotic phase defined by isochrons, reconstructing isochrons from observed trajectories is often challenging for complex models and real-world systems. Here we develop an isochron-free framework based on a readily computable generalized phase, such as the polar angle computed from observed trajectories. We theoretically show that, under near-uniform rotation of the generalized phase and sufficiently stable amplitude dynamics, a one-period stroboscopic description yields a closed circle map. The interaction term of the resulting circle map coincides, to leading order, with the phase coupling function obtained from the conventional phase reduction. Based on this circle map, we propose a method to infer coupling from oscillatory time series. The method is validated using synthetic data from van der Pol oscillators. Our framework broadens the applicability of phase reduction and provides a theoretically grounded method for coupling inference from oscillatory data.
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