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Coarse-grained quantum thermodynamics: Observation-dependent quantities, observation-independent laws

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Pith's one-line read In quantum thermodynamics, coarse-grained work and entropy values depend on the observer's energy resolution, yet the second-law inequality and the quantum work fluctuation theorems keep exactly the same form.

desk verdict A useful framework with a clean Crooks/Jarzynski extension, but Eq. (22) as printed uses the wrong final state in the work definition; the fix is simple and the main message survives. read the letter →

arxiv 2507.15918 v2 pith:JK6PT4VB submitted 2025-07-21 quant-ph

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A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The reading

The paper asks whether standard thermodynamic quantities have objective values or depend on how finely an agent can measure energy. It introduces energy-bin coarse-graining with projectors $\Pi_J$ and a measure-and-reprepare step, and fixes the coarse-grained energy levels $E_J = -k_B T \log(Z_J/N_J)$ so that the coarse-grained thermal state is exactly the coarse-graining of the fine-grained thermal state. Under that prescription, the paper claims that the second-law inequality, the relation between dissipation and time-reversal distinguishability, and the detailed and integral quantum work fluctuation theorems (Crooks and Jarzynski) hold unchanged in form for coarse-grained quantities, as stated in Eqs. (22) and (27). A coarse-grained agent can therefore read off equilibrium free-energy differences from non-equilibrium work distributions without resolving individual energy levels. The quantities are observation-dependent; the relations between them are not.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing object is the coarse-graining map $\mathcal{C}_{\Pi_J}(\rho) = \sum_J [\mathrm{Tr}(\rho\Pi_J)/N_J]\,\Pi_J$, which flattens each energy slot into the maximally mixed state on that slot; it is completely positive, trace preserving, unital, and idempotent. The map alone does not determine the coarse-grained energies. The paper couples it with the consistency condition $\mathcal{C}(\tau_\beta+\delta\tau)=\breve{\tau}_\beta$, which forces $E_J = -k_B T \log(Z_J/N_J)$, making the coarse energies temperature-dependent and ensuring that the coarse-grained thermal state is the coarse-graining of the fine-grained one. That combination, plus a two-point measurement scheme in which the post-measurement state is reprepared as $\Pi_J/N_J$, is what makes the relative-entropy dissipation relation and the Crooks/Jarzynski identities survive coarse-graining: microreversibility gives the ratio of forward and time-reversed joint probabilities, and the temperature-dependent energies make the Gibbs form exact.

What would settle it

Simulate a driven harmonic-oscillator TPM with orthogonal energy bins, compute forward and time-reversed work distributions for bin energies from Eq. (11) and, separately, from bin midpoints; if the midpoint assignment still satisfies $\breve{P}(\breve{W})/\tilde{\breve{P}}(-\breve{W}) = e^{\beta(\breve{W}-\Delta F)}$, the consistency condition is not necessary, while if the Eq. (11) assignment fails it, the central claim collapses.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

The central discovery is that coarse-graining changes the numbers but not the laws. With a PVM-based energy coarse-graining $\{\Pi_J\}$, $N_J = \mathrm{Tr}[\Pi_J]$, a maximum-entropy coarse-grained thermal state $\breve{\tau}_\beta = \sum_J (e^{-\beta E_J}/\breve{Z})\Pi_J$, and energies fixed by the consistency condition $\mathcal{C}(\tau_\beta+\delta\tau)=\breve{\tau}_\beta$ to $E_J = -k_B T \log(Z_J/N_J)$, the authors prove $\beta(\langle \breve{W}\rangle - \Delta F) = S(\breve{\rho}(t)\,||\, \Theta^\dagger \tilde{\breve{\rho}}(\tau-t)\Theta) \ge 0$ and the detailed fluctuation theorem $\breve{P}(\breve{W})/\tilde{\breve{P}}(-\breve{W}) = e^{\beta(\breve{W}-\Delta F)}$, hence $\langle e^{-\beta(\breve{W}-\Delta F)}\rangle = 1$. These hold for every orthogonal energy-bin resolution, with the same free-energy difference $\Delta F$ as the fine-grained process. The main caveat inside the paper is structural: the results require the measure-and-reprepare scheme, and in Sec. VI the authors show Crooks-type relations fail generically when the coarse-graining is an overlapping POVM rather than orthogonal projectors.

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is the consistency condition $\mathcal{C}(\tau_\beta+\delta\tau)=\breve{\tau}_\beta$, which fixes the coarse-grained energy levels to $E_J=-k_B T \log(Z_J/N_J)$; if an agent assigns coarse energies differently, such as by slot midpoints, the simple second-law inequality and Crooks relation do not hold.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • For any orthogonal energy-bin resolution, the second law takes the form $\langle \breve{W}\rangle \ge \Delta F$, with the dissipated work equal to $\beta^{-1}$ times the quantum relative entropy between the forward and time-reversed coarse-grained states.
  • Coarse-grained work distributions obey the Crooks relation and the Jarzynski equality, so equilibrium free-energy differences can be estimated from non-equilibrium work data at any measurement precision, as long as $\breve{N}>1$.
  • There is no universal ordering between fine- and coarse-grained dissipation: the coarse-grained dissipative work can be larger or smaller than the fine-grained value; it is always smaller only when the coarse-graining map commutes with the driving unitary.
  • Removing the repreparation step (non-invasive TPM) breaks the correspondence between coarse-grained dissipation and measured work, and the fluctuation theorems no longer hold.
  • With overlapping POVM coarse-graining, the Crooks relation generically fails, so the invariance of the full set of relations relies on orthogonal projective coarse-graining.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The paper's temperature-dependent coarse energies imply that a coarse-grained observer's 'Hamiltonian' is not a fixed physical observable but a bookkeeping device that shifts with the bath temperature; a natural extension is to ask whether such temperature-renormalized ladders have an operational interpretation in repeated-interaction or virtual-temperature setups.
  • Because the commuting-drive analysis shows the effects come mainly from thermal weighting within slots rather than from coherences, the same invariance should hold in classical stochastic thermodynamics with energy-bin coarse-graining; a direct classical analogue with a two-level or harmonic system would be a cheap test.
  • The POVM failure suggests a sharp boundary: laws are invariant under idempotent, unital, energy-diagonal channels but not under noisy readout. A testable extension is to check whether the correction terms in the fluctuation relations scale with the POVM overlap $\sigma$ in the Gaussian model of Eq. (31), giving a quantitative handle on how far from ideal an experimental binning can be.
  • The framework leaves open the cost of the measurement apparatus itself; combining these coarse-grained fluctuation theorems with the resource cost of projective measurements could yield a hierarchy of thermodynamic bounds that depend on both precision and implementation, but that goes beyond what the paper claims.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper develops a framework for energy coarse-graining in quantum thermodynamics. It models limited experimental resolution through orthogonal projections in the energy basis, defines a measure-and-reprepare coarse-graining map, and fixes the coarse-grained energy levels by a consistency condition requiring the coarse-grained thermal state to equal the coarse-graining of the fine-grained thermal state. On this basis the paper derives a second-law-like inequality and detailed/integral fluctuation theorems for a two-point-measurement protocol with coarse-grained instruments, illustrates the results on driven harmonic oscillators, and contrasts the measure-and-reprepare scheme with a non-invasive projection scheme and with POVM-based coarse graining.

Significance. The intended message—that the form of the second law and of the Crooks/Jarzynski relations is preserved under finite energy resolution, even though the thermodynamic quantities themselves become observation-dependent—is interesting and timely. The fluctuation-theorem part appears sound: Eq. (26) follows from the Gibbs form of the coarse-grained initial probabilities, micro-reversibility, and cancellation of the N_J factors, and Eq. (27) is a valid detailed Crooks relation that allows free-energy estimation from coarse-grained work data. The paper is also careful to state limitations (Secs. V and VI) and makes its code available. However, the second-law part as printed contains a load-bearing algebraic error: the work variable in Eq. (22) does not follow from the paper's own Eqs. (20)–(21). The central claim is therefore not yet established in the form presented and needs correction and numerical re-verification.

major comments (2)
  1. [Sec. III, Eqs. (20)–(22)] The displayed derivation is internally inconsistent. Substituting Eqs. (21a) and (21b) into Eq. (20) gives S(˘ρ(t)||Θ†˘˜ρ(τ−t)Θ) = β(Tr[˘Hτ ˘ρ(τ)] − Tr[˘H0 ˘τβ^0] − ∆F). The paper instead defines ⟨˘W⟩ = Tr[˘Hτ ˘τβ^τ] − Tr[˘H0 ˘τβ^0], which would require Tr[˘Hτ ˘ρ(τ)] = Tr[˘Hτ ˘τβ^τ]. This equality is generically false for a non-equilibrium final state, including the driven-oscillator examples in Sec. II C. The natural coarse-grained TPM average work, obtained from the joint probabilities in Eq. (16), is Tr[˘Hτ ˘ρ(τ)] − Tr[˘H0 ˘τβ^0]; with that definition the relative-entropy identity and the inequality do follow. Please correct Eq. (22) accordingly, or, if a different 'effective work' is intended, state explicitly that it is not the work measured in the TPM protocol and reconcile the text and numerics with that choice.
  2. [Secs. II C and III, Fig. 4] The text states that in the standard coarse-grained TPM the dissipative work and the relative entropy coincide. This is only true for the corrected work variable Tr[˘Hτ ˘ρ(τ)] − Tr[˘H0 ˘τβ^0], not for the work variable printed in Eq. (22). Since Fig. 4 is the main numerical evidence for the second-law-like relation, the authors must verify which quantity was actually plotted. If the plotted work used the final thermal state ˘τβ^τ, the claimed equality cannot hold for the non-commuting drive of Sec. II C; if it used the evolved state ˘ρ(τ), then Eq. (22) must be corrected to match.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Eq. (26)] The notation ˘~P_{I,J} should be ˘˜P_{I,J} for consistency with Eq. (19).
  2. [Eq. (26)] The first equality in Eq. (26) skips the micro-reversibility identity for the transition probabilities and the cancellation of the N_J factors; please add a one-line derivation so that the displayed relation is transparent.
  3. [Sec. II C and Fig. 4] The driving-force range is inconsistent: the main text says f∈[0,5], the Fig. 4 caption says f∈[0,9.5], and the discussion below Fig. 4 refers to f∈[0,6] and f>7.
  4. [Appendix B, Eq. (B3)] The bound in Eq. (A5) is said to be proven in Appendix B, but the proof in Eq. (B3) is written for ∆E_C = Tr[HC(ρ)] − Tr[Hρ]; please make explicit that the relevant case is ρ=τβ, for which ∆E_C = Tr[H˘τβ] − Tr[Hτβ].
  5. [Sec. I, Eq. (7)] The symbol 1_J used after Eq. (7) is not defined; please state that it is the identity operator on the support of Π_J.

Circularity Check

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No circularity: coarse-grained energies are fixed by a consistency condition, not fitted to the fluctuation theorems; the printed Eq. (22) has an algebraic mismatch that is a correctness issue rather than a circular step.

full rationale

The central derivation is not circular. The coarse-grained energies E_J are fixed by the consistency condition C(τβ+δτ)=τ̄β (Eq. (9)), which is physically motivated in Appendix A by the impossibility of work extraction from a single bath; solving Eq. (9) gives E_J=-k_BT log(Z_J/N_J) (Eq. (11)). This is a construction, but it is not fitted to reproduce the fluctuation theorems: the Crooks relation (27) follows from micro-reversibility (26) together with the Gibbs form of the outcome probabilities p_I=e^{-βE_I}N_I/Z (Eqs. (10) and (15)), which are consequences of that same consistency condition. The derivation is algebraically self-contained and does not invoke any self-citation as load-bearing evidence. The external citations (Refs. [4,5,29,30]) supply the fine-grained TPM background and micro-reversibility, not the coarse-grained result. There is, however, a non-circular mathematical issue in Eq. (22): the displayed derivation combines Eq. (21b), which contains Tr[Ĥτ ρ̄(τ)], with a work definition ⟨W̄⟩=Tr[Ĥτ τ̄β^τ]-Tr[Ĥ0 τ̄β^0]. These match only if Tr[Ĥτ ρ̄(τ)]=Tr[Ĥτ τ̄β^τ], which is not true for a generic non-equilibrium final state; the inequality that follows from Eqs. (20)-(21) is for the actual coarse-grained TPM work Tr[Ĥτ ρ̄(τ)]-Tr[Ĥ0 τ̄β^0]. This is a correctness/consistency flaw in the printed algebra, not a circular reduction of the conclusion to its input. The paper also explicitly flags limitations (Sec. V non-invasive scheme; Sec. VI POVM coarse-graining) that do not affect the orthogonal measure-and-reprepare framework. Overall, no circular step is exhibited; score 0.

Assumptions & free parameters 1 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The paper introduces a coarse-grained Hamiltonian ˘H with temperature-dependent eigenvalues E_J(T) as an effective observable for a limited-resolution observer. This is a bookkeeping device rather than a new physical entity; no new particles, forces, or dimensions are postulated. The central results rest on standard quantum thermodynamics plus the consistency condition listed as an axiom.

free parameters (1)
  • Coarse-graining resolution δϵ = δϵ = α|ε1-ε0| with α = 2, 3, 4 in the case study (Fig. 4)
    The resolution is an input of the observer model, not fitted to data. The central results hold for arbitrary δϵ, so this parameter does not determine the form of the laws.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption Maximum entropy principle: the state assigned under coarse-grained energy constraints is the one maximizing von Neumann entropy.
    Invoked in Sec. I to derive the fine-grained Gibbs state (Eq. 3) and the coarse-grained thermal state (Eq. 6). It is a standard principle of statistical inference, not proved in the paper.
  • standard math Micro-reversibility for non-autonomous systems: Θ†U(τ-t,0)Θ = U†(τ,t) for the forward and time-reversed protocols.
    Used in Eq. (20) and in deriving the ratio of forward and backward joint probabilities in Eq. (26); standard in quantum fluctuation theorem literature [29].
  • domain assumption Initial and final Hamiltonians are time-reversal invariant ([H0,Θ]=[Hτ,Θ]=0).
    Stated in footnote 5 as a simplifying assumption; the authors note it can be relaxed by using the inverted thermal state as the backward initial condition.
  • domain assumption The reservoir thermalizes all fine-grained degrees of freedom (ergodicity).
    Assumed in Appendix A, footnote 9, so that the fine-grained agent correctly assigns the thermal state τβ to a system in contact with a bath; needed for the free-energy benchmark.
  • ad hoc to paper Consistency condition C(τβ+δτ)=˘τβ (Eq. 9), fixing the coarse-grained energies E_J=-k_BT log(Z_J/N_J) (Eq. 11).
    This is the load-bearing modeling assumption introduced by the authors. It guarantees the coarse-grained thermal state equals the coarse-graining of the fine-grained one, and it is what makes the derived second-law and Crooks relations take their simple form. The paper argues in Appendix A that it is implied by the second law, but it is not a standard background result.

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In both classical and quantum thermodynamics, physical quantities are typically assigned objective values defined independently of our observations. We then refer to the 'work performed by a gas', or the 'entropy of the gas', regardless of how they are evaluated. Here, we question this conception in the context of quantum thermodynamics, estimating how the definition of pivotal thermodynamic quantities is affected by experimental instruments of limited precision. We find that the coarse-grained thermodynamic quantities frequently lead to different conclusions from those drawn in fine-grained scenarios. For instance, the irreversibility of a process, or its work payoff, can significantly vary with the instrument precision. We show nonetheless that coarse-grained thermodynamic quantities satisfy the same relations (i.e., the second law inequality, the relation between dissipation and distinguishability of a process from its time-reverse, and the quantum work fluctuation theorems) as their fine-grained counterparts. These results highlight the observation-independence of relations linking thermodynamic quantities which are themselves observation-dependent.

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