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Magnetic circular dichroism of THz modes and selection rules of Raman-active optical phonons in the polar altermagnet candidate \ce{Mn2Mo3O8}

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Pith's one-line read In the polar altermagnet candidate Mn2Mo3O8, magnetic order creates a broad THz band with strong magnetic circular dichroism, while predicted chiral phonon splittings remain unresolved.

desk verdict Solid spectroscopy paper: complete phonon assignment and a real new THz MCD band, but the symmetry interpretation rests on an untested collinear magnetic structure. read the letter →

arxiv 2608.01062 v1 pith:M6UTRK7X submitted 2026-08-02 cond-mat.str-el cond-mat.mtrl-sci

F. Schilberth , K. Vasin , M. Knauft , M. Kondákor , M. Vuckovic , N. Herrmann , K. Penc , M. Minola
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B. Keimer V.A. Martinez K. Panda A.A. Sirenko L. Prodan V. Tsurkan A.A. Tsirlin I. Kézsmárki J. Deisenhofer
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keywords Mn2Mo3O8altermagnetmagneticcirculardichroismTHzspectroscopyRamanscatteringphononselectionrulespseudo-angularmomentumtwo-magnonexcitation
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The reading

This paper asks what magnetic ordering does to the lattice vibrations and low-energy magnetic excitations of Mn2Mo3O8, a polar magnet whose nearly compensated spin arrangement makes it a candidate altermagnet (a magnet with spin-split electronic bands but no net magnetization). The authors combine temperature- and field-dependent Raman scattering, circularly polarized THz transmission, and first-principles phonon calculations to identify every optical phonon and to test symmetry-based predictions for the magnetically ordered phase. The magnetic point group $6m'm'$ predicts that degenerate $E_2$ phonons split into left- and right-circularly polarized partners and that previously silent modes become optically active; the measurements resolve no such changes, a null result attributed to weak spin-orbit coupling and very small spin-lattice coupling in Mn$^{2+}$. The main positive result is a broad THz absorption band that appears only below the magnetic ordering temperature, is electric-dipole active, splits into two field-dependent components, and shows strong magnetic circular dichroism that disappears above the 4 T spin-flop transition. The authors propose a two-magnon origin and state that any successful microscopic model must reproduce the band's helicity dependence and two-component fine structure.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing machinery is corepresentation analysis of the magnetic point group $M=6m'm'$, whose unitary halving subgroup is $H=6$. Reduction of the paramagnetic representations $E_1$ and $E_2$ with respect to $H$ produces complex-conjugate one-dimensional pairs, which become the chiral corepresentations $D_1E_2$ and $D_2E_2$; these are the objects predicted to split and carry opposite circular polarization. The analysis is supplemented by a pseudo-angular-momentum (PAM) conservation rule for Raman scattering, $\Delta\sigma = -m_{\rm ph} + N_\nu p$, which restricts photon-helicity transfer and can forbid channels beyond the Raman tensor alone, and by first-principles phonon eigenfrequenc

What would settle it

A circular-polarization-resolved Raman scan of the 63.5 cm$^{-1}$ $E_2(1)$ mode at 5 K with resolution below the predicted $10^{-3}$ cm$^{-1}$ splitting scale, or a neutron-diffraction measurement resolving a small canted moment that breaks $6m'm'$, would overturn the null phonon result; observing the THz dichroism above 4 T would overturn its tie to the collinear spin-flop phase.

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Core claim

On the paper's own terms, the central finding is twofold. First, the optical phonons of Mn2Mo3O8 obey the same selection rules above and below the magnetic ordering transition: none of the morphic effects required by corepresentation theory for the magnetic point group $6m'm'$---the splitting of $E_2$ doublets into conjugate chiral corepresentations $D_1E_2$/$D_2E_2$, the activation of previously silent modes, or additional pseudo-angular-momentum restrictions on Raman channels---is resolved in the spectra. Second, a broad electric-dipole-active THz absorption with two components $T_{M1}$ and $T_{M2}$ near 56 and 62 cm$^{-1}$ emerges only in the ordered state and shows a strong, field-revers

Load-bearing premise

The central interpretation assumes the low-temperature magnetic structure is exactly collinear with magnetic point group $6m'm'$; any undetected canting or lower-symmetry distortion would change the corepresentation decomposition and invalidate the reading of the null phonon result.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Every optical phonon of Mn2Mo3O8 is now assigned, so the phonon frequencies can serve as fixed references in future studies of doping, pressure, or magnon-phonon coupling.
  • The absence of resolvable phonon splitting places an upper bound on spin-lattice coupling in Mn2Mo3O8 and supports a spin-group description in which spin and lattice degrees of freedom factor.
  • Helicity-resolved THz absorption provides a sharp optical marker of the collinear ordered phase: the dichroism switches on at magnetic ordering and switches off at the 4 T spin-flop transition.
  • If the broad band is a two-magnon excitation, its electric-dipole activity and two-component fine structure constrain the allowed two-magnon combinations; the zone-boundary magnon energies already bracket the observed 56-62 cm$^{-1}$ range.
  • The combination of a null phonon effect and a strong magnetic-excitation effect indicates that Mn2Mo3O8 is a favorable case for searching for spin-split electronic bands, the proposed hallmark of altermagnetism.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • A testable extension the paper leaves open is a microscopic two-magnon optical-conductivity calculation using the measured magnon dispersions and the spin point group of the $6m'm'$ state, checking whether the two-magnon continuum carries the net angular momentum needed for the observed helicity asymmetry.
  • The history-dependent zero-field dichroism suggests ferrimagnetic-domain imbalance contributes to the signal; field-cooling through a small bias field before each measurement could separate intrinsic dichroism from domain effects.
  • Because the paper notes that a c-axis field below 4 T preserves $6m'm'$ and may enlarge the chiral phonon splitting, high-field circularly polarized Raman on the 63.5 cm$^{-1}$ mode is a direct test of whether the null result is a resolution limit rather than a true degeneracy.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper reports Raman scattering and THz time-domain transmission spectroscopy on the polar altermagnet candidate Mn2Mo3O8 across its magnetic ordering transition at TN ≈ 40 K. By comparing the phonon frequencies to DFT+U calculations, the authors assign all optical phonons, including the previously elusive lowest E2 and A1 modes. They analyze the phonon corepresentations for the assumed magnetic point group 6m'm', derive pseudo-angular-momentum (PAM) selection rules for Raman scattering, and test the predicted circular-polarization splitting of E2 modes. No such splitting or activation of silent modes is resolved, which they attribute to weak spin-orbit coupling. In the THz range, they observe a broad electric-dipole-active absorption band that emerges below TN, shows field-reversed magnetic circular dichroism with a two-component (TM1/TM2) fine structure, and disappears above the spin-flop transition at about 4 T. The two-magnon interpretation is left open.

Significance. If the results hold, the paper provides a valuable phonon assignment for Mn2Mo3O8 and a clean experimental contrast with Co2Mo3O8, where morphic phonon effects are clearly present. The THz MCD observation is a new, robust experimental finding that constrains possible two-magnon mechanisms and motivates microscopic theory. The paper is also honest about open points: the origin of the THz band is not settled, and the null phonon-splitting result is framed as a consequence of weak spin-orbit coupling. Strengths include the use of external, not data-fitted, DFT+U parameters; circular-polarization Raman measurements; the explicit statement of the PAM assumption; and the presentation of raw field- and history-dependent spectra. The main limitations are the reliance on an uncritical low-temperature collinear magnetic structure assumption and the fragility of the two-component Lorentzian decomposition.

major comments (4)
  1. [§III.A, Eq. (2), Table I] The entire corepresentation analysis, the prediction that E2 splits into D1E2/D2E2, and the conclusion that no morphic effects occur rest on the assumption that the low-temperature magnetic structure is exactly collinear with magnetic point group 6m'm'. The paper cites Refs. [14,15] but does not present a low-temperature magnetic refinement, and the introduction itself mentions a 'slightly canted spin state' and ferrimagnetic domains with hysteresis. A small canting or lower-symmetry distortion would change the halving subgroup and the corepresentation reduction in Eq. (2), and with it the PAM-based selection rules in Table I. The authors should either provide or quote an explicit low-temperature magnetic structure determination confirming collinearity, or explicitly qualify the no-morphic-effect conclusion as conditional on that assumption.
  2. [§IV.B, Fig. 5] The two-component TM1/TM2 structure is a central experimental claim, but it is derived from Lorentzian fits without reported error bars, fit residuals, or a quantitative comparison against a single-peak alternative. The spectra are shown in a narrow window (35–80 cm⁻¹) with overlapping peaks and a non-trivial background; moreover, the zero-field spectra in Fig. 5(d,e) differ qualitatively between runs (one peak vs. two peaks). At minimum, the fits need uncertainties for peak positions/widths and a test of whether a single asymmetric line shape can describe the data within noise. Without this, the two-component fine structure and the field dependence of TM1/TM2 peaks in Fig. 5(f) are not firmly established.
  3. [§IV.A and Conclusion] The conclusion that 'the optical phonons in Mn2Mo3O8 ... do not exhibit morphic effects' is stronger than the experimental evidence supports. The expected D1E2/D2E2 splitting is estimated in the text at the order of 10⁻³ cm⁻¹ (citing Ref. [48]), far below the experimental Raman linewidths and spectral resolution. The null result therefore cannot distinguish between the absence of morphic effects and a splitting too small to resolve. The statement should be softened to an upper bound on the splitting or explicitly presented as a resolution-limited null result.
  4. [§III.C, assumption before Eq. (7)] The PAM selection rules in Table I rely on the assumption that no proper rotation is combined with an antiunitary operation in M = 6m'm'. This is stated as an assumption but not derived in the paper. If this assumption were violated, the modulo-Nν conservation rule in Eq. (7) and the associated columns of Table I would need modification. Since the experimental test of the D1E2/D2E2 channels is a key part of the phonon analysis, the authors should justify the assumption explicitly from the magnetic point group or cite a derivation.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Appendix C, Fig. 6 caption] There is a contradiction: the text says the inset yields Eg = 0.84 eV at 5 K, while the Fig. 6 caption says the inset yields an estimate of 1.43 eV for the direct band gap. The text also says 1.43 eV is the band-structure value, so the caption and text are inconsistent. Please correct.
  2. [Abstract and Introduction] Occasional missing spaces and typos: 'Mn 2+' should be 'Mn2+', 'DFT+Uprocedure' lacks a space, 'Tatsumiet al.' lacks a space, and 'spin-flopped phase' is likely 'spin-flop phase'. These are minor but should be fixed.
  3. [Fig. 5 caption] The labels (1)–(4) in panels (d) and (e) are not explained in the caption; the reader must dig into the text to understand the field-history sequence. Adding a brief description to the caption would improve clarity.
  4. [Table II and Fig. 4] The reported Raman frequencies are quoted without uncertainties. Given the emphasis on small differences (e.g., 63.5 vs 64.1 cm⁻¹), giving at least one representative uncertainty or a statement that they are determined to the last digit would be useful.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: phonon identification is benchmarked against independent DFT+U, the null morphic-effect result is an empirical observation relative to standard group theory, and the THz MCD is a raw measurement with no fitted prediction.

full rationale

The paper's derivation chain is self-contained and does not reduce to its own inputs. Phonon assignments are made by comparing observed Raman/IR frequencies to DFT+U eigenfrequencies computed with parameters (U=5 eV, J=1 eV) taken from prior literature, not fitted to the present Raman data; the good agreement is an external validation. The predicted E2 splitting and A2 activation are derived from standard corepresentation theory (Eq. 2) assuming the literature magnetic point group 6m'm', and the absence of these effects is reported as an empirical null result, not used to redefine the symmetry. The PAM selection rules are derived from the external formalisms of Tatsumi et al. and Zhang & Niu, applied to the calculated phonon eigenvectors; no fitted parameter is renamed as a prediction. The THz magnetic circular dichroism is a raw, field-reversed, history-dependent observation, and the paper explicitly leaves the two-magnon interpretation open. The only self-citation is Ref. [24], which is invoked as an interpretive statement about spin-group expectations for q=0 altermagnets; the experimental result stands independently, and the cited work itself was tested on Co2Mo3O8, so it is not load-bearing in a circular sense. The assumption of an exactly collinear 6m'm' low-temperature structure is a factual input from Refs. [14,15], not derived from or fitted to the present data; while a different magnetic structure would alter the symmetry analysis, this is a correctness/assumption risk, not a circularity in the derivation chain.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The paper introduces no new physical entities. The main inputs are the assumed magnetic symmetry (domain assumption), standard group-theory and DFT methods, and three fitted or literature-derived parameters (U_d, J_d, and the TM1/TM2 Lorentzian model). The free parameters are not fitted to the central MCD claim except for the two-component decomposition itself.

free parameters (3)
  • U_d (Hubbard U on Mn 3d) = 5 eV
    Taken from Ref [10]; not fitted to Raman data in this paper, but controls DFT phonon frequencies used for mode assignment.
  • J_d (Hund's coupling on Mn 3d) = 1 eV
    Same as above; standard value for Mn2+.
  • TM1/TM2 Lorentzian peak positions and widths = TM1≈56 cm^-1, TM2≈62 cm^-1 at 5 K
    Two-component decomposition of the broad THz band is a fit to the data; the central claim of 'two-component fine structure' depends on these fitted parameters.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption Magnetic ground state is collinear with magnetic point group 6m'm' at low temperature
    Section III.A uses this symmetry to derive phonon corepresentations; relies on Refs [14,15] for the magnetic structure. Any residual canting would change predicted selection rules.
  • domain assumption Zone-center phonons in harmonic approximation; screw operation acts as sixfold rotation at k=0
    Stated in Section III.C as conditions for applying PAM conservation from Ref [44].
  • ad hoc to paper No proper rotation is combined with an antiunitary operation in the magnetic point group 6m'm'
    Stated in Section III.C as a requirement for the PAM rule; the authors assert it holds for Mn2Mo3O8 but it is specific to this analysis.
  • standard math Corepresentation theory and Raman tensor formalism (Bradley-Cracknell, Hayes-Loudon) correctly describe phonon activity in magnetic crystals
    Standard group-theory background used in Sections III.A and App. B.
  • domain assumption DFT+U with U_d=5 eV, J_d=1 eV and experimental lattice parameters gives reliable phonon eigenfrequencies
    Phonon identification in Section IV.A relies on agreement between DFT+U frequencies and Raman/IR modes; parameters taken from Ref [10].

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  title        = {Pith review of: Magnetic circular dichroism of THz modes and selection rules of Raman-active optical phonons in the polar altermagnet candidate \ceMn2Mo3O8},
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abstract

We investigated the magnetic and vibrational excitations in the collinear altermagnet candidate \ce{Mn2Mo3O8} by temperature dependent Raman scattering and magneto-optical THz time-domain transmission spectroscopy. By comparison to \textit{ab initio} calculations accurately capturing the eigenfrequencies of the vibrational eigenmodes, we identify all optical phonons, including the lowest-lying Raman modes of $A_1$ and $E_2$ type, which had remained elusive in a previous Raman study. Moreover, we compare the selection rules for optically active phonons in the paramagnetic and the magnetically ordered phases of \ce{Mn2Mo3O8} and analyze the Raman selection rules with respect to pseudo-angular momentum conservation. No evidence of the expected splitting of the degenerate paramagnetic $E_2$ optical phonons into modes with circular polarization upon magnetic ordering could be resolved, likely due to weak spin-orbit coupling typical for Mn$^{2+}$. In contrast, we observe strong magnetic circular dichroism at a broad THz excitation band, emerging in the magnetically ordered state. This band, potentially originating from two-magnon excitations, is only electric-dipole active and features a field-dependent two-component fine structure. Its magnetic circular dichroism vanishes above the spin-flop transition at 4~T.

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