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A vision-enabled teacher policy distills its knowledge into a vision-free student policy through real-world human-in-the-loop reinforcement learning for robust contact-rich manipulation.

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A vision-enabled teacher distills to a vision-free student via human-in-the-loop real-world RL, reaching 95% success on NIST assembly tasks with generalization to 8 unseen variants after ~50 minutes of training.

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load-bearing objection The abstract reports solid real-world numbers on distilling vision policies to proprioceptive ones for assembly tasks, but without the full paper the distillation mechanics and ablations remain unclear. the 3 major comments →

arxiv 2605.29564 v1 pith:NKUCWK5U submitted 2026-05-28 cs.RO

VE2VF: Vision-Enabled to Vision-Free Distillation via Real-world Reinforcement Learning for Robust Contact-Rich Manipulation

Victor Kowalski , Chengxi Li , Dongheui Lee This is my paper
classification cs.RO
keywords reinforcement learningteacher-student distillationcontact-rich manipulationreal-world trainingvision-free policyrobotic assemblyhuman-in-the-loop
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The reading

The paper establishes that a teacher policy equipped with vision can transfer its learned behavior to a student policy that operates without any visual input, relying only on pose, twist, and wrench measurements. This transfer occurs via distillation inside a real-world reinforcement learning loop guided by human feedback, allowing the student to succeed on task variants never encountered during training. A sympathetic reader would care because the method removes the need for cameras at deployment time and eliminates reliance on simulation or data augmentation tricks that often fail to transfer. The resulting policies reach 95 percent overall success on assembly tasks after roughly fifty minutes of training and maintain that performance across eight unseen variants. Fine-tuning the same distillation process yields complete success on the hardest variant.

Core claim

The central claim is that teacher-student distillation inside a human-in-the-loop real-world reinforcement learning framework lets a vision-enabled teacher impart its policy to a vision-free student that uses only proprioceptive and force sensing; the student then achieves 95 percent overall success on three representative NIST assembly tasks after approximately fifty minutes of training and generalizes robustly to eight unseen task variants without domain randomization or data augmentation.

What carries the argument

Teacher-student distillation in human-in-the-loop real-world reinforcement learning, where the vision-enabled teacher guides the vision-free student that senses only pose, twist, and wrench.

Load-bearing premise

The vision-enabled teacher can be trained and then distilled into a vision-free student that maintains high performance on unseen task variants without domain randomization, data augmentation, or anything beyond human-in-the-loop guidance.

What would settle it

If the distilled vision-free student policy records substantially lower success rates than the teacher on the eight unseen task variants after the reported training time, the central claim would be falsified.

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If this is right

  • Real-world reinforcement learning becomes practical for contact-rich tasks because the method removes the simulation-to-real gap.
  • Vision-free policies trained this way generalize across task variants that differ in geometry or initial conditions.
  • Fine-tuning the distillation process can bring the most difficult variants to full success.
  • The same framework produces policies that outperform standard baselines in both robustness and adaptability on the NIST assembly board.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

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  • Deployment hardware could be simplified by removing cameras once the vision-free student is obtained.
  • The human-in-the-loop guidance step might extend to other sensory channels such as tactile arrays for tasks with richer contact information.
  • The approach could shorten the path from lab demonstration to reliable factory use by avoiding repeated domain-randomization cycles.
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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper introduces VE2VF, a human-in-the-loop real-world RL framework that trains a vision-enabled teacher policy and distills it into a vision-free student policy using only pose, twist, and wrench inputs. The method is evaluated on the NIST assembly benchmark board, reporting 95% overall success after ~50 minutes of training on three representative tasks, with claimed robust generalization to eight unseen task variants and full success on the most challenging task after fine-tuning; the policies are said to outperform baselines in robustness and adaptability without domain randomization or data augmentation.

Significance. If the empirical claims hold, the work is significant for showing that teacher-student distillation can produce robust vision-free policies for contact-rich manipulation directly in the real world, addressing overfitting issues common in vision-based RL. It provides concrete evidence of fast real-world training (50 minutes) and generalization across task variants, which could reduce reliance on simulation. The real-world experimental setup and human-in-the-loop component are strengths that support reproducibility of the training protocol.

major comments (3)
  1. [Results section, Table 2] Results section, Table 2 (or equivalent success-rate table): the reported 95% overall success aggregates performance across training and unseen variants, but no per-variant breakdown or direct teacher-vs-student comparison on the eight unseen variants is provided. This is load-bearing for the central distillation claim, as the skeptic concern requires evidence that removing vision does not degrade robustness on unseen tasks.
  2. [Method section on distillation] Method section on distillation (likely §3.2 or §3.3): the distillation objective and the precise role of human-in-the-loop guidance during student training are not described with sufficient quantitative detail (e.g., loss formulation, guidance frequency, or regularization terms) to assess whether the student avoids overfitting to the three training variants.
  3. [Experimental evaluation] Experimental evaluation (§4): while baselines are mentioned as outperformed, the manuscript lacks an ablation isolating the contribution of distillation versus human guidance alone, and no statistical tests or variance measures across the physical trials are reported, weakening the generalization claim.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the phrase 'approximately 50 minutes' should be replaced with the exact training duration and number of episodes for precision.
  2. [Method] Notation: the distinction between teacher and student observation spaces (vision vs. pose/twist/wrench) should be formalized with explicit symbols in the method section to improve clarity.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive feedback on our manuscript. We address each major comment below, proposing revisions to strengthen the presentation of our results, methods, and evaluation while maintaining the integrity of the reported experiments.

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  1. Referee: [Results section, Table 2] Results section, Table 2 (or equivalent success-rate table): the reported 95% overall success aggregates performance across training and unseen variants, but no per-variant breakdown or direct teacher-vs-student comparison on the eight unseen variants is provided. This is load-bearing for the central distillation claim, as the skeptic concern requires evidence that removing vision does not degrade robustness on unseen tasks.

    Authors: We agree that the aggregated success rate limits the ability to fully evaluate the distillation claim. In the revised manuscript, we will include a detailed per-variant breakdown table (or expanded Table 2) reporting success rates separately for the three training tasks and each of the eight unseen variants. This table will also provide direct teacher-versus-student comparisons on the unseen variants to explicitly show that removing vision does not degrade robustness. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Method section on distillation] Method section on distillation (likely §3.2 or §3.3): the distillation objective and the precise role of human-in-the-loop guidance during student training are not described with sufficient quantitative detail (e.g., loss formulation, guidance frequency, or regularization terms) to assess whether the student avoids overfitting to the three training variants.

    Authors: We concur that additional quantitative details are needed for reproducibility and to address overfitting concerns. We will revise the method section to explicitly state the distillation loss formulation (including any KL-divergence or action-matching terms), the frequency of human-in-the-loop guidance interventions during student training, and the regularization terms applied to encourage generalization beyond the three training variants. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Experimental evaluation] Experimental evaluation (§4): while baselines are mentioned as outperformed, the manuscript lacks an ablation isolating the contribution of distillation versus human guidance alone, and no statistical tests or variance measures across the physical trials are reported, weakening the generalization claim.

    Authors: We acknowledge the value of variance reporting and statistical analysis. In the revision, we will add standard deviations across physical trials and appropriate statistical tests (e.g., paired t-tests) comparing our method to baselines. An ablation fully isolating distillation from human guidance would require new experiments not present in the current study; we will therefore note this as a limitation in the revised discussion while clarifying how the existing baselines relate to the human-in-the-loop component. revision: partial

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No circularity: empirical performance from real-world experiments

full rationale

The paper presents empirical results from physical robot experiments on the NIST assembly benchmark, reporting success rates after real-world training with human-in-the-loop RL and teacher-student distillation. No equations, parameter fits, or derivation chains are described that could reduce claims to inputs by construction. The central performance numbers (95% overall success, generalization to unseen variants) are direct experimental outcomes rather than predictions derived from fitted quantities or self-referential definitions. No self-citation load-bearing steps or ansatz smuggling are present in the provided text. This is the most common honest finding for experimental robotics papers without theoretical derivations.

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When using reinforcement learning (RL) for contact-rich robotic manipulation, vision can provide task-relevant information that accelerates learning beyond what proprioception alone can achieve. However, vision-enabled policies tend to overfit to the visual conditions seen during training, limiting their robustness and transferability. We present a human-in-the-loop RL framework that employs teacher-student distillation to achieve robust performance across multiple task variants, trained entirely in the real world without requiring domain randomization or data augmentation. A vision-enabled teacher distills its knowledge into a vision-free student that relies solely on pose, twist, and wrench sensing, combining fast training with strong task generalization. On the real-world NIST assembly benchmark board, our approach achieves 95\% overall success after approximately 50 minutes of training on 3 representative tasks, including robust generalization to 8 unseen task variants. Fine-tuning with distillation achieves full success on the most challenging task. We demonstrate that the resulting policies outperform baselines in both robustness and adaptability.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.29564 by Chengxi Li, Dongheui Lee, Victor Kowalski.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: An overview of our proposed approach VE2VF. A vision-enabled teacher policy is trained via human-in￾the-loop RL on a representative set of tasks, then distilled into a vision-free student policy that does not rely on the environment’s appearance, enabling robust performance and generalization to out-of-distribution (OOD) tasks. cascade into failure. Reinforcement learning (RL), on the other hand, enables p… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Stages of our VE2VF method: in I., a vision-enabled teacher is trained using all input modalities to establish an expert prior policy; in II., the vision-enabled teacher is distilled into a vision-free student that relies only on proprioceptive observations, enabling broader applicability. Still, some novel tasks may present characteristics not sufficiently represented in the training tasks, for which we a… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Benchmark tasks: 1. S gear, 2. M gear, 3. L gear, 4. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Training tasks in (a) normal conditions and (b) [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_4.png] view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Zero-shot USB insertion by our method VE2VF, showing a reactive recovery behavior: the robot misses the socket, slips off, retries, and successfully inserts. Similarly, PTW corresponds to the HIL-SERL PTW base￾line, a proprioceptive policy trained from scratch without distillation. As shown in Section VI-A, it fails to reach full task completion, underscoring the importance of visual input during training.… view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Training progression of the vision-free policy [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_6.png] view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: DSUB insertion after fine-tuning with distillation, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_7.png] view at source ↗

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