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Radii of spherical timelike geodesics in Kerr-Newman black holes

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Pith's one-line read One quintic determines all radii of spherical timelike orbits in Kerr-Newman spacetimes, with analytic critical case and boundary surfaces for subcritical energies.

desk verdict A legitimate Kerr-Newman extension with a genuinely useful closed-form ISCO radius, but the universal gamma>1 'always one unstable orbit' claim is asserted from a single numerical sample and needs a real argument. read the letter →

arxiv 2506.11473 v1 pith:OYHLXIPP submitted 2025-06-13 gr-qc

Wei Huang , Jun-Xu Chen , Jia-Hui Huang This is my paper
classification gr-qc MSC 83C5783C10 PACS 04.70.-s04.20.-q
keywords Kerr-NewmanblackholessphericaltimelikegeodesicsISCOpolarorbitsequatorialcircularCarterconstantradialstabilityquinticequation
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This paper sets out to determine, for a neutral massive particle around a Kerr-Newman black hole, which constant-radius (spherical) timelike orbits exist outside the event horizon, what their radii are, and whether they are radially stable. It derives that all such radii are roots of a single quintic polynomial in four dimensionless parameters: the black hole's spin and charge and the particle's angular momentum and energy. At the critical energy $\gamma=1$ the quintic reduces to a solvable quartic, and the paper gives analytic radii for polar, equatorial, and general spherical orbits, including a no-orbit surface in parameter space. For subcritical energies $0<\gamma<1$ it finds boundary surfaces that separate regions with two orbits outside the horizon from regions with none, and it derives a closed-form ISCO radius for equatorial orbits. These orbits are the basic building blocks for modeling accretion disks and black hole observations.

What carries the argument

The central object is the quintic polynomial $P_5(x)$ of Eq. (13), whose positive roots are the radii $x=r/M$ of spherical timelike orbits; it is built by demanding $R(r)=0$ and $dR/dr=0$, i.e., a turning point that is also a spherical orbit, and then cancelling the Carter constant between the two equations. The polynomial's behaviour with $\gamma$ organizes the paper: at $\gamma=1$ it becomes a quartic with analytic Ferrari-type roots; for $0<\gamma<1$ the existence and stability thresholds are found by imposing the marginal-stability condition $d^2R/dr^2=0$ as well, which after elimination yields a quadratic for the polar ISSPO radius and the closed-form ISCO radius for equatorial orbits. Stability is read off from the sign of $\tilde R''(x_i)$ at each root: positive means radially unstable, negative means radially stable.

What would settle it

Scan Eq. (13) over a grid of $(u,w,\beta)$ for a value of $\gamma>1$ other than $1.5$ (for example $\gamma=2$), keep the real positive roots, and compare each with the horizon radius $x_h=1+\sqrt{1-u^2-w^2}$ while evaluating $\tilde R''$ at each root; one parameter point with two roots outside the horizon or with a negative $\tilde R''$ refutes the always-one-unstable-orbit claim. As a separate check for $0<\gamma<1$, solve $R=R'=R''=0$ numerically for equatorial orbits and compare the resulting radius with Eq. (42); any disagreement would invalidate the ISCO formula.

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Core claim

The paper's central claim is that the radii $x$ of spherical timelike geodesics in Kerr-Newman spacetime are the positive real roots of the quintic $P_5(x)=0$ (Eq. 13), obtained by equating the two forms of the Carter constant extracted from the conditions $R(r)=0$ and $dR/dr=0$. For $\gamma=1$ the equation reduces to a quartic whose analytic roots the paper writes out; in the $(u,w,\beta)$ space it identifies a no-orbit surface on which the would-be outer spherical orbit coincides with the event horizon, while off the surface there is always exactly one spherical orbit outside the horizon, and that orbit is radially unstable. For polar orbits with $0<\gamma<1$, a boundary surface in $(u,w,\gamma)$ separates a no-orbit region from a two-orbit region, with the outer orbit radially stable and the inner one unstable, and on the boundary lies the innermost stable spherical polar orbit. For equatorial orbits with $0<\gamma<1$, the same two-orbit/no-orbit split occurs in both prograde and retrograde families, and the boundary parameters give the ISCO, whose radius the paper derives analytically as $$x_I = \frac{\sqrt{4(\$gamma^{2}$-1)^2 $w^{4}$+5(\$gamma^{2}$-1)$w^{2}$+1}}{3(1-\$gamma^{2}$)} + \frac{2(1-\$gamma^{2}$)$w^{2}$+1}{3(1-\$gamma^{2}$)}.$$ For $\gamma>1$, the paper argues that there is always exactly one radially unstable spherical orbit outside the horizon, supported by numerical evidence at $\gamma=1.5$.

Load-bearing premise

The claim that for $\gamma>1$ there is always exactly one spherical orbit outside the horizon, always radially unstable, is verified numerically only at $\gamma=1.5$; if some other $\gamma>1$ value admitted two orbits or a stable orbit outside the horizon, the stated conclusion would be wrong.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • At $\gamma=1$, for any parameter point off the no-orbit surface, a Kerr-Newman black hole has exactly one spherical timelike orbit outside its event horizon, and it is always radially unstable.
  • For $0<\gamma<1$, spherical polar or equatorial orbits exist outside the horizon only when the particle's conserved energy exceeds a parameter-dependent minimum; at exactly that minimum the surviving orbit is the innermost stable one.
  • The ISCO radius for equatorial motion with $0<\gamma<1$ is given by the closed formula (42) in terms of the black hole charge and the particle energy, for both prograde and retrograde orbits.
  • Whenever two orbits exist for $0<\gamma<1$, the outer orbit is radially stable and the inner one radially unstable, with the threshold orbit separating them.
  • In the massless limit $\gamma\to\infty$, the quintic reproduces the previously derived spherical photon-orbit equation for Kerr-Newman, so the photon results are recovered consistently.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the ISCO formula (42) is exact, then for fixed $w$ and $\gamma$ the inner edge of an equatorial accretion disk around a Kerr-Newman black hole can be computed directly from the closed expression instead of by solving the three marginal-orbit equations numerically; this is a practical shortcut that can be tested against ray-traced images.
  • The always-one-unstable-orbit conclusion for $\gamma>1$ is verified numerically only at $\gamma=1.5$; an exact real-root count of Eq. (13) for general $\gamma>1$ would either upgrade the numerical evidence to a theorem or expose parameter values where the statement fails.
  • The same elimination strategy that produces boundary surfaces for polar and equatorial orbits should extend to the full four-parameter space for general spherical orbits with $\gamma\neq1$, yielding a no-orbit hypersurface analogous to the $\gamma=1$ surface rather than only a numerical scan.
  • Because the coefficients of the quintic are polynomial in $\beta$ and $\gamma$, discriminant and resultant methods could be used to derive analytic conditions for the number of real roots, giving a complete algebraic classification of orbit counting in Kerr-Newman.
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Summary. The paper studies spherical timelike geodesics of neutral massive particles in Kerr-Newman spacetimes. Starting from the geodesic equations, the authors derive a quintic polynomial (Eq. 13) whose positive real roots give orbit radii. For the critical case γ=1 they obtain analytical formulas for polar, equatorial, and general orbits, identify a discriminant curve and a no-orbit surface, and check limiting cases against Schwarzschild, Reissner-Nordström, and Kerr results. For 0<γ<1 they derive boundary surfaces and an analytical ISCO formula (Eq. 42). For γ>1 they claim, on the basis of numerical examples with γ=1.5, that there is always exactly one radially unstable spherical orbit outside the event horizon for both polar and equatorial orbits.

Significance. If the main claims hold, the paper provides a systematic and partly analytic characterization of spherical timelike orbits in Kerr-Newman spacetimes, including an explicit ISCO formula that is not restricted to the equatorial Kerr limit. The derivation of the quintic equation and its reduction to known limits (Schwarzschild x=4, RN cubic, Kerr quartic) are standard and checked against prior results, which is a clear strength. The analytical formulas for γ=1 and the ISCO expression are potentially useful reference results. However, the universal statements about γ>1 and the no-orbit surface currently rest on isolated numerical samples and unproved assertions, so the significance is conditional on supplying the missing root-count and surface proofs.

major comments (4)
  1. [IV.A and IV.B, Eqs. (29) and (39), Figs. 20-21 and 27-28] The abstract and conclusion state that for γ>1 there is always exactly one spherical orbit outside the event horizon and that it is radially unstable, for both polar and equatorial orbits. The only evidence presented is the single value γ=1.5: Figs. 20-21 for polar orbits and Figs. 27-28 for equatorial orbits. The number of real roots of a quintic can change as γ varies, and the sign of R'' at the selected root is not guaranteed by these examples. Please supply a root-count argument valid for the full range 1<γ<∞ and the entire parameter domain 0≤u,w, u^2+w^2≤1 (e.g., a Sturm sequence, Descartes-rule bounds, or a monotonicity argument on x>x_h), or else explicitly restrict the claims to the sampled parameter values. As written, the headline universal statement is not established.
  2. [III.B.3, no-orbit surface] The paper's central claim for general orbits with γ=1 is the existence of a no-orbit surface in (u,w,β): when parameters lie on the surface there is no orbit outside the event horizon, and otherwise there is always one. The text only states 'It can be demonstrated that there exists a surface' and plots it in Fig. 13; the equation of the surface is never given and no proof is supplied. Please derive the surface (apparently from the condition x3=x4=x_h with x_h=1+sqrt(1-u^2-w^2)) and prove the claimed dichotomy. Without this, the no-orbit surface remains an unverified numerical observation.
  3. [III.B.1, Eq. (23)] The discriminant curve in Eq. (23) is used to separate the (u,w) plane into regions with two and four real roots of Eq. (22). The paper does not show that the sign of this discriminant indeed controls the number of real roots for this specific quartic, nor does it prove that exactly one of those roots lies outside the event horizon throughout each region. Please provide the missing argument, or state the relevant standard theorem and verify its hypotheses for Eq. (22).
  4. [IV, Eqs. (36), (46), (47)] For 0<γ<1, the boundary surfaces for polar and equatorial orbits are derived from the ISSPO/ISCO conditions, but the claim that the whole parameter space splits into a region with two orbits and a region with no orbit outside the horizon is supported only by the sampled values γ=0.5 and γ=0.97 (Figs. 17 and 25). Please provide an analytic or systematic numerical proof of this dichotomy over the full domain, or rephrase the conclusions to apply to the specifically sampled parameter regions. This matters because the number of real roots could, in principle, change before the boundary surface is reached.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Eq. (13)] The displayed quintic contains typographical artifacts in several terms, such as '2βγuw 2' and '−2βγu 3'; please check the typesetting of all polynomials in the paper, including Eqs. (29) and (39).
  2. [Introduction, reference for Sagittarius A*] The sentence about the Event Horizon Telescope image of Sagittarius A* contains an unresolved citation placeholder 'released[? ]'; please add the appropriate reference.
  3. [IV.A, Fig. 14 caption] The caption says 'the radii of the three orbits' but the surrounding text discusses three roots; please clarify whether the figure shows all three real roots or only those outside the horizon, and correct any inconsistent wording.
  4. [References [26] and [27]] The references contain misspellings: 'Kerr-Newmann' should be 'Kerr-Newman'; please correct throughout the bibliography.
  5. [Eq. (42)] The derivation of the ISCO formula is stated as 'by solving the above three equations' without showing the intermediate algebra. Given that Eq. (42) is a headline result, please provide the derivation in an appendix or state the solving procedure more explicitly.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: central derivation is self-contained, with only non-load-bearing self-citation as a limit check.

full rationale

The derivation chain starts from the Kerr-Newman geodesic Lagrangian, the first-order equations (6)-(7), and the spherical-orbit conditions R=0 and R'=0 in Eq. (8). Eliminating the Carter constant yields the quintic (13), which is a genuine necessary condition rather than an assumed result. The gamma=1 analytical radii, the gamma=1 no-orbit surface, the ISSPO boundary Eq. (36), and the equatorial ISCO formula Eq. (42) are all obtained by substituting the orbit and stability conditions into these equations and solving algebraically. No parameter in these formulas is fitted to data, and no predicted quantity is reused as an input. The limiting checks (Schwarzschild x=4, the RN cubic (17), the Kerr quartic (20)-(21), and the gamma-to-infinity photon-orbit limit [39]) are comparisons against independent published results; the self-citation [39] is used only as a cross-check benchmark and is not load-bearing. The statements for all gamma>1 are supported in the text only at gamma=1.5, and the no-orbit surface is asserted with 'It can be demonstrated' without an explicit proof; these are rigor and completeness concerns, not circularity. No step reduces to its own input by construction.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The paper introduces no new physical entities and fits no free parameters; all input parameters (u,w,beta,gamma) are physical. Its derivation rests on standard Carter separability and quartic root formulas. The main unproved structural assumption is that sampled gamma values represent all gamma>1, and that the plotted no-orbit surface captures the full boundary.

assumptions (4)
  • domain assumption The Kerr-Newman spacetime admits a fourth constant of motion (Carter constant) making the geodesic equations separable.
    Used in Section II to reduce geodesic motion to Eqs.(6)-(7); this is a classical result from Carter [5].
  • domain assumption Spherical timelike orbits are fully characterized by R(r)=0 and dR/dr=0.
    Standard definition for constant-radius orbits; used in Eq.(8).
  • ad hoc to paper The existence structure found at gamma=1.5 extends to all gamma>1.
    Sections IV.A and IV.B assert 'always one unstable orbit' for gamma>1 after numerically checking only gamma=1.5; no analytic proof is given.
  • standard math The general quartic root formula in the Appendix is correct and applicable.
    The Appendix gives a standard algebraic solution for quartic equations; the paper uses it to claim analytical radii.

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abstract

The existence, radii and radial stability of the equatorial and non-equatorial (particularly, the polar) spherical orbits are discussed for particles with different conserved energy. The radii of these orbits generally are solutions of a quintic polynomial equation with four dimensionless parameters. For the case with $\gamma=1$, we obtain the analytical expressions for the radii of the polar, equatorial and general orbits. The radial stability of the orbits outside the event horizon is also discussed. In the $(u, w, \beta)$ space, a no-orbit surface is found. When the parameters lies on this surface there is no orbit outside the event horizon, otherwise there is always one spherical orbit outside the event horizon. For the cases with $\gamma\neq1$, we focus on the study of polar and equatorial orbits. For polar orbits with $0<\gamma<1$, a boundary surface in $(u, w, \gamma)$ space is identified which determines the existence of spherical polar orbits outside the event horizon. Numerical results of the radii and radial stability of the polar orbits are shown for examples with specific values of $\gamma$. For polar orbits with $\gamma>1$, it is found that there is always one unstable orbit outside the event horizon. For equatorial orbits with $0<\gamma<1$, in each rotating case (prograde case and retrograde case), a boundary surface in $(u, w, \gamma)$ space is also identified which divides the parameter space into two regions: one region with two orbits (one stable and the other unstable) and the other with no orbit outside the event horizon. Parameters on the boundary surface correspond to ISCOs. An analytical formula for the ISCOs is derived by choosing $(w,\gamma)$ as independent variables. For equatorial orbits with $\gamma>1$, it is found that there is always one unstable orbit outside the event horizon.

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Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4: Radii of four polar orbits and radius of the event [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_4.png]
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