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arxiv: 2606.26671 · v1 · pith:XHM2JMJVnew · submitted 2026-06-25 · 💻 cs.AI

NebulaExp-8B: An Empirical Post-Training Pipeline via Full-Scale Ablation Research

Qiaobo Hao , Yangqian Wu , Shunyi Wang , Zhongjian Zhang , Ziqun Li , Yayin He , Muqing Li , Chen Zhong This is my paper

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keywords post-training pipelinesupervised fine-tuningreinforcement learningdata curationinstruction followingreasoning modelsablation studyLLM alignment
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A transparent post-training pipeline on Qwen3-8B raises average benchmark scores from 55.01 to 61.85 via staged SFT and GRPO RL.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper introduces NebulaExp as a fully documented post-training pipeline built on the Qwen3-8B base model. It processes 3.84 million SFT samples and 200 thousand RL candidates through response distillation, multi-dimensional filtering, difficulty grading, task classification, and diversity-aware sampling. Separate branches handle general instruction following and complex reasoning. Three-stage SFT lifts the average score to 60.99, GRPO RL pushes it to 61.85, medium-difficulty RL improves reasoning from 73.88 to 75.17, and MOPD with 10K samples delivers a 4.18 average gain. The work supplies every data rule and ablation result to support exact reproduction while mapping trade-offs across instruction, math, code, and knowledge tasks.

Core claim

The central claim is that an end-to-end data processing stack of response distillation, multi-dimensional cross-verification filtering, fine-grained difficulty grading, task classification and diversity-aware sampling, when combined with three-stage optimized SFT and GRPO reinforcement learning, produces the reported benchmark gains, and that multi-teacher OPD (MOPD) can substitute for RL while using far fewer samples to achieve comparable or larger lifts.

What carries the argument

The end-to-end data processing stack of multi-dimensional cross-verification filtering, difficulty grading and diversity-aware sampling that prepares data for three-stage SFT, GRPO RL, and MOPD.

If this is right

  • Three-stage SFT followed by GRPO RL adds roughly 6.84 points to the average benchmark score.
  • Medium-difficulty GRPO RL raises the average reasoning score by 1.29 points.
  • MOPD with only 4K samples outperforms an RL baseline by 3.26 points on IFEval and 4.43 points overall.
  • MOPD with 10K samples produces a 4.18-point average gain over the base model.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same filtering and grading rules could be tested on larger base models to check whether data volume requirements scale down.
  • Running ablations that isolate each filtering step would show which component drives most of the measured gains.
  • Pairing MOPD with a light RL stage might combine the sample efficiency of distillation with the verifier-based refinement of RL.

Load-bearing premise

That the benchmark score increases reflect genuine capability improvements rather than artifacts from the specific test distributions used during data filtering and evaluation.

What would settle it

Apply the identical data rules and training stages to a different base model, then measure performance on a fresh set of benchmarks that played no role in filtering or training.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.26671 by Chen Zhong, Muqing Li, Qiaobo Hao, Shunyi Wang, Yangqian Wu, Yayin He, Zhongjian Zhang, Ziqun Li.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: SFT data distribution, including data source and task type. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Overview of the SFT data curation pipeline. Raw samples from public datasets undergo format unification, distillation, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Overview of the three-stage SFT data curation pipeline. The pipeline partitions data into three domains, evaluates each [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Training dynamics of the four training technique ablation experiments. The three panels show (a) critic/rewards/mean, (b) [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Training curves of the final Instruct RL model on the 53K training subset. The three panels show (a) critic/rewards/mean, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Overview of the regression-based data mixing strategy. The process consists of three stages: (1) generating diverse mixture [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p017_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Experimental results of the regression-based data mixture optimization strategy. (a) Observed performance gains of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_7.png] view at source ↗
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: Training curves of the final Reasoning RL model on the 8K training subset. The three panels show (a) critic/rewards/mean, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p021_8.png] view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Post-training alignment determines the reasoning and human preference following capabilities of large language models, yet most existing works withhold detailed data construction, filtering rules and training recipes, which hinders community reproducibility and lightweight model optimization. This work presents NebulaExp, a fully transparent, ablation-driven post-training pipeline built on Qwen3-8B-base, covering two orthogonal model branches: general instruct model and complex reasoning-specialized model. We curate a raw corpus of 3.84M multi-source SFT samples and a 200K verifiable RL candidate pool, and design an end-to-end data processing stack including response distillation, multi-dimensional cross-verification filtering, fine-grained difficulty grading, task classification and diversity-aware sampling. For the Instruct branch, our three-stage optimized supervised fine-tuning approach NebulaExp-Ins-SFT improves the average benchmark score from the 55.01 baseline of Qwen3-8B-nothink to 60.99. GRPO reinforcement learning then further elevates the average score to 61.85. For the Reasoning branch, medium-difficulty GRPO RL improves average reasoning score from 73.88 to 75.17. To address RL's dependency on task verifiers, we systematically investigate single-teacher and multi-teacher OPD (MOPD): utilizing merely 4K instruction-following samples and outperforms RL baseline by 3.26 points on IFEval with +4.43 average overall gain; MOPD fuses four domain-specialist teachers with merely 10K samples, lifting average performance by 4.18 over the base model. This report provides a fully reproducible empirical post-training recipe for 8B-scale LLMs, and comprehensively dissects the capability trade-offs among instruction adherence, mathematical reasoning, code generation and general knowledge.

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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper presents NebulaExp, a transparent ablation-driven post-training pipeline on Qwen3-8B-base with two branches (general instruct and reasoning-specialized). It curates 3.84M multi-source SFT samples and 200K RL candidates, applying response distillation, multi-dimensional cross-verification filtering, difficulty grading, task classification, and diversity-aware sampling. Reported results include NebulaExp-Ins-SFT raising average benchmark score from 55.01 to 60.99, GRPO RL to 61.85; medium-difficulty GRPO RL raising reasoning score from 73.88 to 75.17; and MOPD variants (single-teacher with 4K samples outperforming RL by 3.26 on IFEval with +4.43 overall; multi-teacher with 10K samples lifting average by 4.18 over base). The work claims to provide a fully reproducible recipe dissecting trade-offs across instruction, math, code, and knowledge.

Significance. If the reported gains reflect genuine capability improvements rather than curation artifacts, the work supplies a valuable, fully documented empirical recipe and ablation study for 8B-scale post-training, including RL alternatives like MOPD. The emphasis on transparency, full-scale ablations, and explicit trade-off analysis would strengthen reproducibility in the field.

major comments (3)
  1. [Data curation / filtering stack] Data curation and filtering sections: The manuscript reports no decontamination procedures (e.g., n-gram overlap, membership inference, or held-out validation against the specific benchmarks contributing to the 55.01 baseline and subsequent 60.99/61.85 averages). This is load-bearing for the central claim that the end-to-end stack (response distillation + multi-dimensional filtering + diversity sampling) produces genuine gains rather than benchmark-specific artifacts or leakage.
  2. [Results / benchmark tables] Results and evaluation sections: No error bars, standard deviations across runs, or statistical significance tests are supplied for any reported deltas (e.g., +5.98 from SFT, +0.86 from GRPO, +4.18 from MOPD). Without these, the numeric improvements cannot be assessed for robustness, undermining interpretation of the ablation-driven claims.
  3. [MOPD / OPD experiments] MOPD experiments: The claims that single-teacher MOPD with 4K samples outperforms the RL baseline by 3.26 on IFEval (+4.43 overall) and multi-teacher MOPD with 10K samples lifts average performance by 4.18 require explicit specification of the exact benchmark suite, the RL baseline configuration being compared, and confirmation that the 10K samples were selected without reference to test performance.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract / Introduction] The baseline 'Qwen3-8B-nothink' is referenced without a clear definition or citation in the abstract or early sections; this notation should be expanded on first use.
  2. [Ablation study] The paper claims 'full-scale ablation research' and 'comprehensively dissects' trade-offs, yet the provided text does not enumerate the specific ablation tables or figures that isolate each pipeline component (filtering, grading, sampling).

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the insightful comments. We address each major comment below and indicate the revisions we will make to the manuscript.

read point-by-point responses

  1. Referee: Data curation and filtering sections: The manuscript reports no decontamination procedures (e.g., n-gram overlap, membership inference, or held-out validation against the specific benchmarks contributing to the 55.01 baseline and subsequent 60.99/61.85 averages). This is load-bearing for the central claim that the end-to-end stack (response distillation + multi-dimensional filtering + diversity sampling) produces genuine gains rather than benchmark-specific artifacts or leakage.

    Authors: We agree that explicit documentation of decontamination is essential for validating the claims. Although our multi-dimensional cross-verification and filtering stack was intended to address potential contamination, we did not detail specific n-gram overlap or membership inference checks in the manuscript. We will revise the data curation section to include a description of the decontamination procedures applied, including n-gram overlap analysis against the evaluation benchmarks and use of held-out validation sets. revision: yes

  2. Referee: Results and evaluation sections: No error bars, standard deviations across runs, or statistical significance tests are supplied for any reported deltas (e.g., +5.98 from SFT, +0.86 from GRPO, +4.18 from MOPD). Without these, the numeric improvements cannot be assessed for robustness, undermining interpretation of the ablation-driven claims.

    Authors: We acknowledge that the lack of error bars and statistical tests makes it difficult to assess the robustness of the reported improvements. Given the substantial computational resources required for each full-scale training run, we performed single runs for the reported configurations. We will add a note in the results section acknowledging this limitation and discussing the consistency of gains across the ablation studies as supporting evidence for the trends observed. revision: partial

  3. Referee: MOPD experiments: The claims that single-teacher MOPD with 4K samples outperforms the RL baseline by 3.26 on IFEval (+4.43 overall) and multi-teacher MOPD with 10K samples lifts average performance by 4.18 require explicit specification of the exact benchmark suite, the RL baseline configuration being compared, and confirmation that the 10K samples were selected without reference to test performance.

    Authors: We will update the MOPD experiments section to explicitly list the full benchmark suite used for the averages and IFEval, provide the precise configuration details for the GRPO RL baseline (including hyperparameters and training setup), and add a statement confirming that the selection of the 10K samples was performed solely based on the training data properties and diversity criteria, without any access to or reference to test set performance. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: purely empirical reporting of training runs and benchmarks

full rationale

The manuscript describes data curation (3.84M SFT samples, 200K RL pool), filtering rules, SFT stages, GRPO RL, and MOPD variants, then reports benchmark deltas (55.01→60.99→61.85, etc.). No equations, predictions, or derivations appear that reduce results to fitted inputs by construction. No self-citation chains, uniqueness theorems, or ansatzes are invoked to justify core claims. All performance numbers are direct experimental outcomes, so the work is self-contained against external benchmarks with no load-bearing circular steps.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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Review is abstract-only; the central claim rests on the unverified assumption that the described data filters and training stages produce the reported benchmark deltas without hidden selection effects or implementation artifacts.

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