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Implications of a Stable Layer on the Vertical Structure of Jet Streams on Jupiter

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arxiv 2607.06245 v1 pith:YHS7TIJQ submitted 2026-07-07 astro-ph.EP

Keren Duer-Milner , Louis Siebenaler , Lillian Haley , Yamila Miguel This is my paper
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The reading

This paper argues that if Jupiter has stable, non-convective layers in its outer envelope — as several recent observations suggest — then the vertical profile of its jet streams cannot be uniquely determined from gravity data alone. The core mechanism is a mathematical degeneracy in the thermal wind balance (Eq. 9): the gravity signal produced by increasing the radial gradient of the background density (via a stable layer) is nearly identical to the signal produced by increasing the radial gradient of the wind decay function (deeper winds). Because Juno's gravity harmonics measure the combined product of these two quantities, a stable layer that steepens the density gradient forces the winds to decay faster to produce the same observed signal. The paper demonstrates this by constructing 15 density profiles with prescribed stable layers at various depths and pressures, computing the resulting gravitational harmonics, and then optimizing the wind decay profile to match Juno measurements. Shallow, extensive stable layers (e.g., 1–10⁵ bar) substantially increase the local density, requiring winds to drop to less than half their cloud-level strength within the top 100 km — far faster than in adiabatic models. Deep stable layers (above ~1 Mbar) have negligible effect on density and thus on the gravity-wind degeneracy. The paper also tests a physically motivated scenario where jets decay within the stable layer itself, finding that this generally fails to reproduce Juno data because winds must retain at least ~10% of their cloud-level amplitude down to ~3000 km depth. Comparisons with Jupiter GCMs and Earth's eddy-driven jets show that no existing dynamical model produces a decay profile that uniquely matches the gravity-inversion envelope, especially once stable layers are admitted.

What carries the argument

Thermal wind balance (Eq. 7–9) on a giant planet; prescribed subadiabatic stable layers (Eq. 1) modifying the static density profile; gravitational harmonic computation (Eq. 4–6) comparing modeled vs. Juno-observed values; constrained (Eq. 10) and free (Eq. 11–12) wind-decay optimization (Eq. B1) to fit odd and high-order harmonics.

What would settle it

If future measurements of Jupiter's actual Brunt–Väisälä frequency (e.g., from polar cyclone depths or seismology) show stratification strengths far weaker than k = 0.9∇_ad, the density perturbations from stable layers would be much smaller, the degeneracy with wind depth would shrink, and the adiabatic wind-decay solutions would remain approximately valid.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

The paper identifies a direct mathematical degeneracy between two terms in the thermal wind equation (Eq. 9): the vertical gradient of static density (∂ρ_stat/∂z, modified by stable layers) and the vertical gradient of the wind decay function (∂Q/∂z, controlled by how deep the winds penetrate). Both terms enter the dynamical density anomaly identically, so increasing one can compensate for decreasing the other. This means that a stable layer that steepens the density profile produces the same gravitational harmonic signature as deeper-penetrating winds. Consequently, the vertical structure of Jupiter's jet streams — a key target of the Juno mission — cannot be uniquely inferred from gravityh

Load-bearing premise

The stable layers are prescribed with an artificial temperature gradient (Eq. 1) using a fixed amplitude parameter k = 0.9∇_ad rather than derived from opacity or convection calculations, and the authors note that the actual stratification strength within Jupiter remains poorly constrained. The entire quantitative result — how much the winds must adjust — depends on this arbitrary choice. If the real stratification is much weaker, the degeneracy shrinks toward the adiabatic (

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Referee Report

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Summary. This manuscript investigates how subadiabatic stable layers (SLs) in Jupiter's interior affect the inference of zonal wind vertical structure from Juno gravity harmonics. The authors construct temperature-pressure profiles with prescribed stable layers (Eq. 1), derive density profiles using the Chabrier et al. (2019) EOS, and compute gravitational harmonics via thermal wind balance (Eq. 9). The central result is a degeneracy: increasing ∂ρ_stat/∂z (from a stable layer) produces a similar gravitational signature to increasing ∂Q/∂z (from deeper winds), meaning that the jet stream structure cannot be uniquely determined without independent constraints on internal stability. The paper demonstrates this by showing that shallow, extensive SLs require more rapid wind decay to match Juno observations, and by comparing the resulting envelope of wind profiles with GCM outputs and Earth's eddy-driven jets.

Significance. The degeneracy identified in Eq. 9 — that ∂ρ_stat/∂z and ∂Q/∂z enter the thermal wind balance symmetrically — is a clear and important conceptual point for the interpretation of Juno gravity data. The systematic exploration of 15 SL configurations (Fig. 6) and the demonstration that free-decay wind inversions remain feasible under non-adiabatic profiles (Fig. 8) are valuable. The comparison with GCM jet structures and ERA5 data (Fig. 11) provides useful physical context. The falsifiable prediction that winds must retain ~10% amplitude to ~3000 km depth (§3.4) is a concrete, testable constraint. However, the quantitative results depend on an unvaried parameter (k = 0.9∇_ad), which limits the strength of the quantitative claims.

major comments (3)
  1. §2.1, Eq. (1): The amplitude parameter k = 0.9∇_ad is fixed for all stable layers and never varied. This value is near the maximum physically possible subadiabatic departure, so the density enhancement within the SL is maximized. The paper's quantitative claims ('shallow, extensive stable layers substantially modify the background density, requiring more rapid decay of zonal winds') scale with k. If the real stratification is weaker (e.g., k = 0.1–0.3∇_ad, consistent with some estimates the authors cite in §2.1), the density modification and required wind adjustment diminish proportionally. The qualitative degeneracy claim holds for any k > 0, but the magnitude of the effect is load-bearing for the paper's central quantitative conclusion. At minimum, the authors should (i) run one or two cases with smaller k to demonstrate sensitivity, or (ii) explicitly reframe the results as an upper-~
  2. §3.1, Fig. 6: Model uncertainty bars are shown only for the adiabatic profile, not for the SL profiles. The reader therefore cannot assess whether SL profiles achieve statistically equivalent fits to Juno data or merely visually acceptable ones. Since the paper's argument involves comparing how different SL configurations shift the harmonics relative to Juno's error bars, the absence of uncertainty estimates for the SL cases leaves the comparison incomplete. Adding at least wind-measurement-derived uncertainties for the extreme SL case (1–10^5 bar) would address this.
  3. §2.1: The profiles omit a core and do not conserve mass ('inserting SLs does not strictly conserve mass'). The authors argue this is acceptable because they omit the low-order even harmonics (J_2, J_4, J_6, J_8) most affected by deep structure. However, the mass non-conservation could also affect the high-order harmonics that ARE used in the fits (J_10–J_20), particularly for the most extensive SLs. A quantitative estimate of the mass deficit/excess introduced by the extreme SL (1–10^5 bar) and its direct contribution to J_10–J_20 would strengthen the argument that this omission is benign.
minor comments (7)
  1. Abstract: 'inadicating' should be 'indicating'.
  2. Fig. 4 y-axis label: ';-P profiles with SL' appears to be a rendering artifact; should read 'ρ-P profiles with SL'. Same issue in Fig. 5.
  3. §2.1: The statement 'we neglect the effects of mean molecular weight gradients and latent heat release due to condensation' could briefly note that mean molecular weight gradients from helium rain are relevant at megabar pressures, which overlaps with some of the deeper SL configurations considered.
  4. Fig. 11: The multiple y-axes (left, right-orange, rightmost-pink) make this figure difficult to parse. A clearer indication of which axis corresponds to which curves, or splitting into panels, would improve readability.
  5. §3.3: The statement about super-adiabatic layers producing 'localized density deficits' and requiring 'slower decay of the zonal winds' is an interesting prediction but is stated qualitatively without any supporting calculation. A brief note that this is a conjecture by analogy, or a simple confirmation, would suffice.
  6. Appendix B, Eq. (B1): The weight matrix w_ij is described as the inverse of the covariance matrix, but it would help to state explicitly whether off-diagonal covariance terms between harmonics are included, as this affects the optimization.
  7. §2.1: The reference temperature T' = T_1bar (P/1bar)^0.25 uses an adiabatic scaling to evaluate ∇_ad at the SL midpoint, but the actual temperature at the midpoint will differ from this once the SL is imposed. A brief note on whether this inconsistency matters for the results would be helpful.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for a careful and constructive report. The central conceptual point — the degeneracy between ∂ρ_stat/∂z and ∂Q/∂z in the thermal wind balance — is acknowledged as valid, and we are grateful that the referee recognizes its importance. Below we address each major comment in turn. We agree that all three points warrant revision and will incorporate them in the revised manuscript.

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  1. Referee: §2.1, Eq. (1): k = 0.9∇_ad is fixed and never varied. Quantitative claims scale with k. Should run smaller-k cases or reframe as upper bound.

    Authors: The referee is correct that the quantitative magnitude of the density modification, and hence the required wind adjustment, scales with k. We chose k = 0.9∇_ad as a deliberate end-member: it maximizes the subadiabatic departure and thus brackets the largest possible effect of a stable layer at a given location and extent. This choice was made to explore the full parameter space, but we agree that without sensitivity tests the reader cannot assess how the results scale for weaker stratification. In the revised manuscript we will: (i) run two additional cases with k = 0.1∇_ad and k = 0.3∇_ad for the most extreme SL configuration (1–10^5 bar), demonstrating that the density perturbation and required wind adjustment scale approximately linearly with k while the qualitative degeneracy persists for any k > 0; (ii) add a paragraph in §2.1 and §3.2 explicitly stating that k = 0.9∇_ad represents an upper bound on the effect, and that for weaker stratification the wind adjustment diminishes proportionally; and (iii) reframe the abstract and conclusions to clarify that the quantitative results correspond to the maximum-stratification case. We note that even for k = 0.1∇_ad, the degeneracy identified in Eq. 9 remains conceptually important — it is the symmetry between ∂ρ_stat/∂z and ∂Q/∂z that matters, not the amplitude — but we agree the paper should make clear that the magnitude of the wind adjustment is an upper limit. revision: yes

  2. Referee: §3.1, Fig. 6: Model uncertainty bars shown only for the adiabatic profile, not for SL profiles. Cannot assess whether SL profiles achieve statistically equivalent fits.

    Authors: This is a fair point. The uncertainty bars in Fig. 6 are derived from cloud-level wind measurement errors and are straightforward to propagate to the SL cases, since the same wind field is used. We omitted them from the SL curves for visual clarity, but we agree this leaves the comparison incomplete. In the revised manuscript we will add wind-measurement-derived uncertainty bands for at least the extreme SL case (1–10^5 bar), and ideally for all 15 SL profiles (as a shaded envelope if individual error bars are too cluttered). This will allow the reader to directly assess whether the SL profiles that deviate most from the adiabatic case remain within or exceed the observational uncertainties relative to Juno's error bars. revision: yes

  3. Referee: §2.1: Profiles omit a core and do not conserve mass. Mass non-conservation could affect J10–J20 used in the fits. Need quantitative estimate of mass deficit/excess for extreme SL and its contribution to J10–J20.

    Authors: We agree that a quantitative estimate of the mass anomaly introduced by the SLs, and its direct contribution to the harmonics used in our fits, would strengthen the argument. We will add this calculation in the revised manuscript. Specifically, we will: (i) compute the integrated mass deficit/excess introduced by the extreme SL (1–10^5 bar) relative to the adiabatic profile, expressed both as an absolute mass and as a fraction of Jupiter's total mass; (ii) estimate the direct contribution of this mass anomaly to J10–J20 by computing the static (non-dynamical) harmonic contribution from the density difference between the SL and adiabatic profiles; and (iii) compare this contribution to Juno's measurement uncertainties on J10–J20 to demonstrate that it is subdominant. We expect this contribution to be small because the SL density anomalies are confined to low-pressure regions (≲1 Mbar) where the mass is a small fraction of the total, and the high-order harmonics weight the outer layers more heavily but the density anomalies are modest in absolute terms. However, we acknowledge that for the most extensive SLs this should be verified quantitatively rather than asserted, and we will do so. If the contribution turns out to be non-negligible for the extreme cases, we will note this as a limitation and discuss how it could be compensated by adjustments to the deeper density structure (e.g., core mass or heavy-element distribution) without affecting the dynamical harmonics that are the focus of this work. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; the degeneracy claim follows from the structure of Eq. 9, not from a self-citation chain or fitted-input-as-prediction.

full rationale

The paper's central claim — a degeneracy between ∂ρ_stat/∂z and ∂Q/∂z in the thermal wind balance — follows directly from the algebraic expansion of Eq. 9, where the two terms ρ_stat·∂Q/∂z and Q·∂ρ_stat/∂z appear additively. The paper explicitly states: 'instead of increasing ∂Q/∂z (due to stronger winds), we are effectively increasing ∂ρ_stat/∂z (due to SLs). Both mechanisms lead to a similar trend in the gravitational harmonics.' This is a mathematical observation about equation structure, not a circular derivation. The fitting procedure (Eq. B1) is used to demonstrate the degeneracy by showing that multiple (ρ_stat, Q) pairs reproduce Juno data; it does not define the degeneracy into existence. Self-citations to Duer et al. (2019, 2020, 2023, 2024) and Duer-Milner et al. (2025) appear for methodology, GCM data comparison, and the thermal wind balance framework, but none are load-bearing for the central degeneracy claim — the thermal wind balance is standard (Pedlosky 1987; Vallis 2017) and the expansion in Eq. 9 is self-contained algebra. The prescription of k=0.9∇ad (Eq. 1) is an assumption that affects the quantitative magnitude of results, but this is a correctness/sensitivity concern, not circularity: the qualitative degeneracy holds for any k>0, and the paper does not claim to predict k. No step in the derivation chain reduces to its own inputs by construction.

Assumptions & free parameters 4 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The paper introduces no new physical entities, particles, forces, or dimensions. The stable layers are not invented — they are motivated by independent observations (Juno MWR alkali depletion, CO abundance, water abundance; §1). The free parameters are all fitted to data or chosen as experimental controls. The axioms are standard domain assumptions from planetary atmospheric dynamics. The main concern is not circularity or invented entities but the sensitivity of the quantitative results to the ad hoc stable layer prescription (k=0.9∇ad).

free parameters (4)
  • k (stable layer amplitude) = 0.9 * ∇ad
    Controls the departure of the temperature gradient from adiabatic. Fixed for all SLs. Not fitted to data but chosen ad hoc. The paper states 'the actual Brunt–Väisälä frequency within Jupiter's interior remains poorly constrained' (§2.1).
  • P_min, P_max (SL boundaries) = 15 combinations from {1,10,100,1000} × {10^3,...,10^7} bar
    The pressure interval of the stable layer. Chosen to span a wide range, not fitted. The paper acknowledges these are 'not necessarily realistic configurations' (§2.1).
  • α, H, ΔH (constrained wind decay) = optimized per profile
    Three parameters of the decay function (Eq. 10) fitted to match Juno gravity harmonics via the cost function (Eq. B1). For the reference profile: H=2101 km, ΔH=842 km, α=0.68.
  • Q_i (free-decay wind values) = 120 grid point values
    In the free-decay approach, wind values at each radial grid point are optimized (Eq. 12), subject to monotonicity constraints. These are fitted to Juno data.
assumptions (4)
  • domain assumption Thermal wind balance is the leading-order vorticity balance for Jupiter's large-scale flows (Eq. 7).
    Invoked in §2.3. Standard for rapidly rotating planets with small Rossby number. Well-established (Pedlosky 1987). Higher-order corrections (dynamic self-gravity) are neglected.
  • domain assumption Cloud-level zonal winds can be projected inward along cylinders without modification of latitudinal structure (Eq. 8).
    Invoked in §2.4. Standard assumption in gravity inversion studies. Supported by Kaspi et al. (2018).
  • domain assumption The Schwarzschild criterion (∇T < ∇ad) correctly identifies stable stratification, neglecting mean molecular weight gradients and latent heat.
    Invoked in §2.1. The authors argue these are negligible in the pressure range of interest (1–10^5 bar).
  • domain assumption Jupiter's envelope has a uniform helium mass fraction Y=0.238 throughout.
    Invoked in §2.1. Based on Galileo probe measurements. The authors acknowledge this is a simplification but found negligible impact.

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The vertical structure of Jupiter's jet streams remains a critical open question for understanding the planet's atmospheric dynamics and interior. Traditional models often assume an adiabatic density profile, yet recent observations and theory suggest the presence of stable layers, which could significantly alter both the density structure and gravitational signature. We investigate the implications of non-adiabatic stable layers for Jupiter's gravity field, focusing on how density anomalies from such layers interact with the inferred vertical structure of zonal winds. We construct temperature-pressure profiles including subadiabatic stable layers to derive density profiles consistent with the latest equation of state. The resulting gravitational harmonics are computed, incorporating both static density and wind structure via thermal wind balance, and compared with Juno measurements. By varying the wind decay characteristics, we assess how stable layers constrain the depth and structure of the deep jets. Our results show that shallow, extensive stable layers substantially modify the background density, requiring more rapid decay of zonal winds to satisfy observed gravitational constraints. Introducing stable layers also broadens the range of physically plausible wind solutions, inadicating that the vertical structure of the jets is less constrained than suggested by purely adiabatic models. We conclude that stable layers are a critical, yet often overlooked, component in modeling Jupiter's interior and dynamics. This study highlights a strong degeneracy between the thermodynamic density structure and the vertical wind profile, implying that the jet stream structure cannot be uniquely determined without independent constraints on the planet's internal stability.

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Figure 1
Figure 1. Example of the two vertical components required to match the odd and high-order gravity harmonics: a density profile (here is an adiabat) (black) and a vertical wind decay structure (Q) (orange). The orange profile corresponds to the solution used in Kaspi et al. (2023). Jupiter’s magnetic field (Moore et al. 2022). Deep stable layers have also been proposed as a mechanism to suppress jet streams in the deep interio… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. TP profiles that include a stable layer. The depth end extent of the stable layers varies between the profiles as indicated in the legend. Profiles with large stable layers show much colder interiors. -100 0 100 200 300 400 Temperature Gradient 100 102 104 106 Pressure [bar] gradT-P profiles with SL SL 3-102 bar SL 1-103 bar SL 1-104 bar SL 1-105 bar SL 10-103 bar SL 10-104 bar SL 10-105 bar SL 102 -104 bar SL 102 -… view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Same as [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Density-pressure of the 16 profiles from [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_4.png]
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Same as [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_5.png]
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Gravitational harmonics associated with different densities that include a SL, and a constant decay profile. The densities are the 16 profiles shown in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_6.png]
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Constrained optimal vertical wind decay structures for profiles with a SL, shown for the outer 5% of Jupiter’s radius. These profiles were achieved by fitting the low order odd gravity harmonics (𝐽3, 𝐽5, 𝐽7, 𝐽9 ), by finding 3 free parameters defined in Eq. 10. Shallow…
Figure 9
Figure 9. Figure 9: Freely decaying vertical wind structures (full lines), corresponding to the harmonics shown in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_9.png]
Figure 10
Figure 10. Figure 10: Gravitational harmonics resulting from the different SLs in which the zonal winds begin to decay at the upper boundary of the SL and attenuate over a characteristic depth of 1000 km. For the extended SL spanning 103–107 bar, we additionally consider decay profiles tha…
Figure 11
Figure 11. Figure 11: Comparison of vertical jet-decay structures from gravity inver￾sions, GCMs, and Earth data. Shown are the constrained best-fit gravity solution for the adiabat (black; same as in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_11.png]

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