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Extropy Rate: Properties and Application in Feature Selection
T0 review · 3 major / 7 minor · reviewed 2026-08-06 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read The paper defines an extropy rate for discrete stochastic processes and claims it equals the entropy rate almost surely for stationary ergodic processes, with applications in time-series complexity, chaos detection, and feature selection.
desk verdict The extropy rate collapses to support growth and Theorem 4 is false; a few salvageable conditional-extropy properties do not save it. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The defining mechanism is the rescaled identity $H(\{q_i\})=\log(m-1)+J(\{p_i\})/(m-1)$ with $q_i=(1-p_i)/(m-1)$, which expresses the entropy of a rescaled distribution in terms of extropy; removing the rescaling yields the paper's extropy-rate definition. The load-bearing analytic tool in the equivalence claim is the Shannon–McMillan–Breiman theorem, used to show that with high probability the per-symbol log-likelihood converges to the entropy rate, so the log-support term $\frac{1}{n}\log(S_n-1)$ can be sandwiched between $H-\epsilon$ and $H+\epsilon$. For finite samples, the estimator $J^F_{\mathrm{rate}}$ is backed by the Lipschitz-continuity result for the extropy functional under the $\ell^1$ metric, which the paper proves on the space of distributions with probabilities bounded below $r$.
What would settle it
Take a stationary ergodic Markov chain over a countably infinite state space where the stationary distribution has infinite support and the transition graph is irreducible, so that the number of n-step paths grows like $e^{cn}$ with $c>H_{\mathrm{rate}}$. If $\frac{1}{n}\log(S_n-1)$ converges to a value strictly larger than the entropy rate for this process, then $J_{\mathrm{rate}}=H_{\mathrm{rate}}$ fails. The paper's equations (54)-(57) require the non-typical set to be exponentially negligible in cardinality, so a direct computation of $S_n$ for such a chain would settle the claim.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
For a discrete stochastic process $X=(X_1,X_2,\ldots)$, the paper defines the extropy rate as $J_{\mathrm{rate}}(X)=\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n}\left(\log(S_n-1)+\frac{J(X_1,\ldots,X_n)}{S_n-1}\right)$, where $S_n$ is the support size of the joint distribution; since the joint extropy term divided by $n$ vanishes, the rate reduces to $\lim_n \frac{1}{n}\log(S_n-1)$, which the authors interpret as an average zeroth-order Rényi entropy. The central theoretical claim is Theorem 4: for a stationary ergodic process with entropy rate $H_{\mathrm{rate}}(X)>0$, $J_{\mathrm{rate}}(X)=H_{\mathrm{rate}}(X)$ almost surely, derived from the Shannon–McMillan–Breiman theorem by bounding the support size with the size of the $\epsilon$-typical set. The paper further shows that for an IID sequence on $k$ symbols the extropy rate is approximately $\log k$, that joint extropy is strictly subadditive for independent variables, and that the empirical version $J^F_{\mathrm{rate}}$ can be computed for finite samples. On the applied side, the paper claims that features with higher estimated extropy rates carry more information, and reports that this selection rule outperforms or matches mutual information, chi-square, and F-score on six datasets.
Load-bearing premise
The proof that extropy rate equals entropy rate assumes that for every stationary ergodic process, the support size of the n-dimensional distribution stays within the size of the epsilon-typical set plus a small number of low-probability sequences outside it; many stationary ergodic processes have far more low-probability sequences than that bound allows.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- If $J_{\mathrm{rate}}=H_{\mathrm{rate}}$ almost surely, then extropy-rate estimators become alternative estimators of entropy rate for stationary ergodic data, with the practical difference that they are computed from non-occurrence probabilities.
- For IID sequences with support size $k$, the extropy rate is approximately $\log k$, so the measure doubles as a support-size and diversity index for discrete data.
- The strict subadditivity $J(X,Y)<J(X)+J(Y)$ for independent variables implies that joint extropy grows sublinearly, which is why a plain time-average of joint extropy is degenerate and why the support-size correction is necessary.
- The numerical demonstrations indicate that estimated extropy rate can rank time series on a complexity axis from constant to random walk and can flag bifurcation parameters in the logistic and Hénon maps.
- A feature-selection rule based on highest estimated extropy rate is claimed to reach accuracy, F1-score, and true-positive rates at least as high as mutual information, chi-square, and F-score across the six tested datasets.
Reading between the lines
- The equivalence $J_{\mathrm{rate}}=H_{\mathrm{rate}}$ is only as robust as the claim that the support size grows like the typical set; for stationary ergodic processes over countably infinite alphabets with many low-probability sequences, $\frac{1}{n}\log S_n$ could exceed the entropy rate, so the paper's own definition may yield a different limit outside the finite-alphabet regime.
- Because the infinite-process rate reduces to the growth rate of $\log S_n$, it is essentially the zeroth-order Rényi entropy rate; a natural testable extension is to compare finite-sample extropy-rate estimates with direct Rényi entropy rate estimators on heavy-tailed data.
- The observed alignment with Simpson's diversity index suggests an ecological reading of extropy rate as a temporal diversity index, but the paper proves no quantitative relation between the two, so a formal comparison would be a useful next step.
- The feature-selection method ranks features by an estimated marginal or accumulated extropy rate; an unstated risk is that high-extropy features may be redundant, so a natural extension is to combine the criterion with a redundancy-penalizing step and test it on high-dimensional data.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper defines conditional extropy and an extropy rate for discrete stochastic processes via Eq. (16), proves several properties of joint and conditional extropy, and claims that for stationary ergodic processes the extropy rate equals the entropy rate almost surely (Theorem 4). It then applies an estimated extropy rate to time-series complexity, chaotic map characterization, and feature selection on six datasets.
Significance. If the central Theorem 4 were correct, the extropy rate would be a genuine probability-sensitive alternative to the entropy rate for stochastic processes. The paper also contains a substantial numerical and experimental component. However, the central theorem is false, and the definition itself reduces to a support-growth rate, so the theoretical contribution collapses. The feature-selection experiments may still be of empirical interest, but they are not supported by the claimed theory.
major comments (3)
- [Definition 2 and Remark 2] Equation (16) defines Jrate(X) = lim (1/n)[log(S_n-1) + J(X_1,...,X_n)/(S_n-1)]. Remark 2 correctly observes that J(X_1,...,X_n)/n tends to 0, so the definition reduces to Jrate(X) = lim (1/n) log(S_n-1). Thus the proposed extropy rate is a pure support-growth rate, analogous to topological entropy, and it carries no information about the actual probabilities. This already contradicts the paper's motivation: the extropy term is asymptotically irrelevant. Consequently, Theorem 1's result for IID sequences, Jrate = log k, follows directly from S_n = k^n and is a consequence of the definition rather than a property of extropy.
- [Theorem 4] Theorem 4 claims that for a stationary ergodic process X with entropy rate Hrate(X)>0, Jrate(X)=Hrate(X) almost surely. This is false. For an IID Bernoulli(0.9) process on {0,1}, every binary n-tuple has positive probability, so S_n = 2^n and Jrate = log 2 ≈ 0.693 nats, while Hrate = H(0.9) ≈ 0.325 nats. Hence Jrate does not equal Hrate. The same failure occurs for any irreducible finite Markov chain with full support: S_n = k^n, so Jrate = log k, while Hrate can be any value less than log k. The claimed equivalence is therefore not a meaningful property of the extropy rate.
- [Theorem 4 proof, Eq. (54)] The proof bounds the non-typical set by E_2^n ≤ ε e^{n(H(P)-ε)}. The Shannon-McMillan-Breiman theorem controls only the total probability of the non-typical set, not its cardinality. In the Bernoulli(0.9) example, the non-typical set contains roughly 2^n - 2^{nH} strings, all of which belong to the support S_n, so the bound S_n ≤ e^{n(H+ε)} fails. This invalidates the chain of inequalities leading to Eq. (57) and is the exact technical gap behind the false Theorem 4.
minor comments (7)
- [Proposition 4] The displayed identity has a sign error: summing (p_j - p_{ij}) ln p_j over i gives (m_X-1)∑_j p_j ln p_j = -(m_X-1)H(Y), so the correct formula is J(X|Y) = {p_j}J(X|Y) - (m_X-1)H(Y). As stated, the proposition is false.
- [Proposition 2 proof] The first line of the proof writes J(X|Y) = -∑_j p_j J(X|Y=j), but Definition 1 already includes the minus sign; the subsequent expansion is consistent with the definition, so this is a sign typo.
- [Theorem 3 proof, Eq. (51)] The inequality (1-z)ln(1-z) ≥ -z implies -p_j(1-p_i)ln(1-p_i) ≤ p_j p_i, not ≥. The displayed lower bound therefore does not follow. The theorem may be true, but this proof is invalid.
- [Section 4.2, Eq. (58)] The estimator appears to contain a single term -(1-P(X_1,...,X_n))ln(1-P(X_1,...,X_n)) rather than a sum over all m^n states. Under the independence approximation, the joint extropy should be -∑_{state}(1-p(state))ln(1-p(state)). As written, Eq. (58) does not compute the quantity defined in Eq. (16).
- [Section 4.4, Eq. (63)] This equation defines the empirical extropy rate as J(X_1,...,X_i)/i, but Remark 2 and Proposition 1 show this quantity tends to 0 as i grows. Figure 6 therefore appears to plot a different quantity from the extropy rate of Definition 2.
- [Section 5.4, Table 2] The perfect scores (accuracy and F1 of 1.0000) on Diabetes and Boston Housing require details on train/test splitting, cross-validation, and random seeds to be reproducible. The comparison should also state whether the same classifier configuration was used for all methods.
- [Throughout] There are typographical issues, including 'preposition' for 'proposition' in the proof of Theorem 1, 'defination' in Remark 2, and missing accents in 'Henon' and 'Renyi'.
Circularity Check
The infinite-process extropy rate is defined into the support-growth (Rényi-0/topological) entropy rate, so Theorem 1 is an algebraic restatement rather than a derived extropy result; Theorem 4's proof additionally rests on a false support-size bound.
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renaming known result
[Section 3, Definition 2 (Eq. 16), Remark 2 (Eq. 18), Remark 3]
"Note that the extropy of any discrete distribution is bounded above by 1. Therefore, we have limn→∞ J(X1, X2, ..., Xn)/n = 0. Further, we can rewrite the defination of extropy rate for a infinite stochastic process X = {Xi}i as Jrate(X) = limn→∞ log(Sn − 1)/n. This expression approximately equal to the average of zeroth-order Rényi entropy."
The paper itself reduces the infinite-process extropy rate to the normalized logarithm of support size. That object is the Rényi-0 entropy rate / topological-entropy growth rate, not a functional of extropy: the J-term in Eq. (16) is discarded by the boundedness observation in Remark 2, so no extropy content remains in the asymptotic quantity. Presenting this support-growth rate as a new extropy-based uncertainty measure is a relabeling of a known quantity rather than a derivation from extropy.
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self definitional
[Section 3, Theorem 1 (Eq. 22)]
"From preposition (1), we know that limn→∞ J(X1, X2, ..., Xn)/n = 0 and the random variables in the process are IID, this implies that Sn = kn. Thus from definition of extropy rate, we have ... = limn→∞ log(kn − 1)/n ≈ log(k)."
Theorem 1 is not an independent prediction about extropy: once Definition 2 is reduced to Jrate = lim (1/n) log(Sn − 1) in Remark 2, the IID result is simply the evaluation of that definition at the deterministic value Sn = k^n. No property of the probability distribution or of the extropy functional enters the limit except the support size. The claimed theorem is therefore forced by the definition, not derived from extropy as a substantive measure.
full rationale
The main circularity is definitional. Definition 2 includes a J-term, but Remark 2 immediately shows that the term vanishes asymptotically and rewrites the extropy rate as Jrate(X) = lim (1/n) log(Sn − 1). This is the support-growth rate, equivalently the Rényi-0 entropy rate or topological entropy rate, as the paper itself notes in Remarks 2 and 3. Consequently, Theorem 1's IID result Jrate ≈ log k is just the algebraic evaluation of the definition at Sn = k^n; it carries no independent extropy content. I do not count the few self-citations here as load-bearing: the authors' own review [24] is an incidental background citation, and no uniqueness theorem is imported from the authors' prior work. The numerical feature-selection comparisons are external benchmarks, but they do not cure the definitional collapse of the theoretical quantity. Theorem 4 is not itself circular, but it is mathematically invalid for a separate reason: the proof's bound E2 ≤ ε e^{n(H−ε)} at Eq. (54) is false because the Shannon–McMillan–Breiman theorem controls the probability of atypical sequences, not their cardinality. For a Bernoulli(0.9) source every binary string is in the support, so Jrate = log 2 while Hrate ≈ 0.325, contradicting Theorem 4. That is a correctness failure, not a reduction-by-construction, and I accordingly do not list it as a circular step. Overall, the central theoretical quantity is defined into a known support-growth rate and the headline IID result reduces to that definition, so the circularity score is 6.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (2)
- Number of selected features k =
3 (diabetes, blood, EEG, electricity), 4 (Boston), 6 (forest fires)
- Implicit discretization for logistic and Henon maps =
not specified
assumptions (4)
- standard math Shannon-McMillan-Breiman theorem
- standard math Calculus and real analysis results, including Lipschitz continuity and series expansions
- domain assumption Finite state space for the stochastic process
- domain assumption Independence assumption in the empirical estimator
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read the original abstract
Extropy, a complementary dual of entropy, (proposed by Lad et al. \cite{lad2015extropy} in 2015) has attracted considerable interest from the research community. In this study, we focus on discrete random variables and define conditional extropy, establishing key properties of joint and conditional extropy such as bounds, uncertainty reduction due to additional information, and Lipschitz continuity. We further introduce the concept of extropy rate for a stochastic process of discrete random variables as a measure of the average uncertainty per random variable within the process. It is observed that for infinite stationary and ergodic stochastic processes, as well as for identically and independently distributed sequences, the extropy rate exhibits asymptotic equivalence. We explore the extropy rate for finite stochastic processes and numerically illustrate its effectiveness in capturing the underlying information across various distributions, quantifying complexity in time series data, and characterizing chaotic dynamics in dynamical systems. The behaviour of estimated extropy rate is observed to be closely aligned with Simpson's diversity index. The real-life applicability of the extropy rate is presented through a novel feature selection method based on the fact that features with higher extropy rates contain greater inherent information. Using six publicly available datasets, we show the superiority of the proposed feature selection method over some other existing popular approaches.
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