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Forget Narrowly, Retain Broadly: Unlearning as an Asymmetric Generalization Problem

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Pith's one-line read Unlearning fails unless the forget-retain boundary is annotated finely enough to force intensive forgetting and extensive retention.

desk verdict Solid empirical diagnosis of why LLM unlearning benchmarks fail, plus a usable dataset and a strong refusal baseline; the asymmetric-generalization framing is the real contribution. read the letter →

arxiv 2607.09236 v1 pith:ZVETIJZN submitted 2026-07-10 cs.LG

Amit Peleg , Naman Deep Singh , Naama Pearl , Bibhabasu Mohapatra , Matthias Hein This is my paper
classification cs.LG
keywords machineunlearninglargelanguagemodelsasymmetricgeneralizationunder-forgettingover-forgettingSUITEbenchmarkJensUn++refusal-based
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The pith

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The reading

Machine unlearning is supposed to erase specific facts from a language model while leaving everything else intact. Existing benchmarks cannot tell whether that has happened: they miss knowledge that reappears under paraphrases or multi-hop questions (under-forgetting) and they never probe whether nearby, syntactically similar, or merely lexically overlapping knowledge has been damaged (over-forgetting). The paper reframes both failures as an asymmetric generalization problem. Forgetting must generalize intensively across every formulation of the target facts; retaining must generalize extensively across a far larger, only implicitly defined set of everything else. The retain set therefore defines the true forget set, yet no prior dataset annotates that boundary at the required grain. SUITE supplies the missing structure for four real-world factual topics, and simply training existing methods on it dramatically improves their results. Building on the same insight, the authors introduce JensUn++, a refusal-based algorithm that produces clean refusals rather than gibberish and achieves the strongest forget-retain-utility trade-off across three models in both sequential and joint unlearning.

What carries the argument

SUITE (Selective Unlearning of Isolated Topics and Events): a protocol that defines the forget set with direct, reverse and indirect multi-hop questions plus paraphrases, and the retain set with 16 graded semantic tiers, syntactic controls, lexical probes and general knowledge; JensUn++ then uses Jensen-Shannon distribution matching, stochastic prefix-mixing, dynamic gradient balancing and hard forget-retain pairing to enforce natural refusals inside that boundary.

What would settle it

Train any method on SUITE, then measure residual knowledge on a large set of held-out multi-hop and adversarial paraphrases of the forget facts together with accuracy on the closest semantic tier (s0) and on lexical probes that share surface terms with the forget topic; if forget rates remain high or s0/lexical accuracy collapses relative to the base model, the claimed boundary and method gains are false.

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Core claim

Unlearning is an asymmetric generalization problem: successful forgetting requires intensive coverage of all query forms of the target facts, while successful retention requires extensive probes of every fact outside the forget target. Without a fine-grained annotation of that forget-retain boundary, benchmarks cannot distinguish genuine unlearning from mere suppression or collateral damage. SUITE supplies the annotation; methods trained on it improve substantially, and JensUn++ reaches the best observed trade-off.

Load-bearing premise

The ordering of the sixteen semantic tiers, built by another model and lightly checked by hand, is assumed to match how the models under test actually organise related knowledge; if that ordering is wrong, both the diagnosis of over-forgetting and the ranking of methods become unreliable.

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Referee Report

2 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper reframes LLM unlearning as an asymmetric generalization problem: forget evaluation must intensively cover diverse formulations of the same target facts (direct, reverse, multi-hop indirect, paraphrases), while retain evaluation must extensively probe a much larger, only implicitly defined set of facts disjoint from the forget target. Existing benchmarks lack a fine-grained annotation of this forget-retain boundary and therefore cannot distinguish genuine forgetting from suppression (under-forgetting) or genuine retention from collateral damage (over-forgetting). The authors introduce SUITE, a training corpus and evaluation protocol for four real-world factual topics that supplies that boundary via graded semantic tiers, syntactic and lexical controls, and held-out indirect queries. They further propose JensUn++, a refusal-based extension of JensUn that adds stochastic prefix-mixing, dynamic gradient-norm loss balancing, and hard forget-retain pairing. Across three model families, sequential and joint unlearning, adversarial queries, and relearning attacks, methods trained on SUITE improve substantially and JensUn++ achieves the best forget-retain-utility trade-off with near-zero gibberish refusals.

Significance. If the central claim holds, the work supplies both a diagnostic that existing unlearning benchmarks are systematically incomplete and a concrete, publicly released remedy (SUITE) plus a strong baseline method (JensUn++). The empirical package is unusually thorough for the area: hyper-parameter sweeps, ablations of every design choice, three model families, sequential vs joint regimes, adversarial and relearning probes, NLL before/after analysis, and a user study validating the LLM judge on gibberish and RGQ. Code and datasets are released. These contributions are load-bearing for privacy- and safety-critical unlearning and should raise the evaluation standard in the field.

major comments (2)
  1. The 16 semantic tiers (Sec. 3.2, App. D.1) are generated by Gemini-3-Pro with manual validation and are model-agnostic. The paper already flags this in Limitations, and the core claim does not collapse if the ordering is only approximate (reverse/indirect and syntactic/lexical probes are independent of tier order). Still, for the over-forgetting diagnosis on s0 and the claim that SUITE correctly annotates the forget-retain boundary, a short model-specific proximity check (e.g., embedding or activation similarity of the target models on the tier questions) would strengthen the interpretation of Tables 1-3 and 19-22. This is a load-bearing interpretive point, not a fatal flaw.
  2. Hyper-parameters are tuned exclusively on Challenger with Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct and then frozen (Sec. 5, Tabs. 5-9). While this is a clean protocol and avoids fitting to the final numbers, it leaves open whether the Pareto ranking of JensUn++ is robust to per-topic or per-model retuning. A brief sensitivity check (or an explicit statement that the frozen schedule is intentional and that the ranking is therefore a lower bound on what per-topic tuning could achieve) would make the cross-model, sequential, and joint claims more airtight.
minor comments (5)
  1. Fig. 1 and App. C.3: the qualitative refusal examples are persuasive; adding a short quantitative breakdown of refusal vs gibberish vs hallucination rates per method (beyond the aggregate Gib. column) would make the ethical argument fully self-contained.
  2. Eqs. (1)-(5) and Fig. 4: the token-weighting scheme wt and the prefix distribution π(i) are clearly defined, but a one-sentence intuition for why half the mass is placed on the first token (and on i=0) would help readers who skip the appendix.
  3. Table 1 vs Table 2: the LKF* vs SUITE comparison is central; a single sentence in the main text stating that QD of LKF* and SUITE are identical (so QD+I - QD isolates the multi-hop effect) would make the under-forgetting claim easier to parse without the footnote.
  4. App. B.5 user study: human-judge agreement on gibberish is excellent (4/278); the lower agreement on RGQ is expected and already discussed, but a brief note that RGQ is therefore used only as a secondary utility signal would prevent over-interpretation.
  5. Minor presentation: a few long sentences in Sec. 1 and the abstract could be split for readability; the arXiv identifier and code URL are correctly given.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: purely empirical evaluation with independently defined metrics; minor self-citation of prior JensUn work is non-load-bearing.

full rationale

The paper's central claims (unlearning as asymmetric generalization; SUITE's fine-grained forget-retain boundary exposing under-/over-forgetting; training data quality mattering as much as algorithms; JensUn++ Pareto-dominating on forget-retain-utility) are established entirely by empirical comparisons on held-out evaluation splits, reverse/indirect multi-hop queries, syntactic/lexical probes, sequential/joint regimes, adversarial queries, and relearning attacks across three model families. Metrics (QD, QR, QAll, Q*, retain accuracy by tier/Syn/Lex/GK, MMLU, Rep., RGQ, gibberish rate) are defined independently of the methods and of any fitted parameters. Hyper-parameters are swept once on Challenger (Llama-3.2-3B) and frozen; no quantity is fitted to final evaluation numbers and then reported as a 'prediction'. The sole self-citation of note is the authors' prior JensUn [43], which supplies the base JS objective that JensUn++ modifies (adaptive balancing, stochastic prefix-mixing, refusal target); the new results do not reduce to that citation by construction, nor is any uniqueness theorem imported. Semantic tiers are generated by an external LLM + manual validation and are acknowledged as approximate in the limitations; they are not used to force any numerical claim. The derivation chain is therefore self-contained and non-circular.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 3 assumptions · 3 invented entities

The paper is empirical; its load-bearing commitments are definitional (what counts as forgotten/retained) and methodological (LLM-as-judge, semantic-tier construction, hyper-parameter selection). Free parameters are the usual training knobs; invented entities are the named failure modes and the new dataset/algorithm.

free parameters (3)
  • learning rate and λf/λr per method
    Swept on Challenger disaster for Llama-3.2-3B and then frozen for all other topics and models; final rankings depend on these choices.
  • prefix-sampling distribution π(i) and token weights wt
    Hand-designed (0.5 mass on i=0, 1/i thereafter; half weight on first token); ablated but still free design choices that affect the reported trade-off.
  • refusal string prefix (“Unfortunately,”)
    Chosen after observing that the model’s native refusal under-forgets under relearning; ablated but remains a free design decision.
assumptions (3)
  • domain assumption A fact is forgotten only if none of its (direct/reverse/indirect/paraphrase) queries reveals the target knowledge according to an LLM judge.
    Operational definition of forgetting used throughout evaluation (Sec. 3.1, App. B.5).
  • domain assumption Semantic proximity of retain tiers can be ordered by a frontier LLM (Gemini-3-Pro) plus human correction and will transfer to the models under test.
    Foundation of the graded retain evaluation (Sec. 3.2, limitations).
  • domain assumption Jensen-Shannon divergence between the unlearned and original model distributions is a suitable objective for both forget (to a refusal) and retain (to the original).
    Inherited from JensUn and retained as the core of JensUn++ (Eqs. 1–3).
invented entities (3)
  • under-forgetting / over-forgetting
    purpose: Name the two failure modes that existing benchmarks miss.
    Useful diagnostic labels; not independently measurable outside the SUITE protocol itself.
  • SUITE (Selective Unlearning of Isolated Topics and Events) independent evidence
    purpose: Provide a fine-grained forget-retain training and evaluation corpus that encodes the asymmetric boundary.
    New dataset; its value is demonstrated by the empirical improvements it produces.
  • JensUn++ independent evidence
    purpose: Refusal-based unlearning algorithm that improves the forget-retain-utility Pareto front.
    New algorithm; performance is measured against external baselines on the new dataset.

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Machine unlearning in LLMs is the targeted removal of specific knowledge while preserving all other capabilities, critical for privacy and safety. Yet existing benchmarks measure it unreliably. They miss knowledge that resurfaces under paraphrased or indirect queries, a failure we call under-forgetting, and lack the semantic, syntactic, and lexical probes needed to verify that unrelated knowledge is preserved, a failure we call over-forgetting. Both failures reflect an asymmetric generalization problem. Forget evaluation must cover diverse query formulations of the same target facts, testing whether forgetting holds beyond exact training prompts. Retain evaluation must probe a far larger and implicitly defined set, namely every fact disjoint from the forget target. The retain set thus defines the effective forget set, yet current datasets provide no fine-grained annotation of this forget-retain boundary. We address this with SUITE, an evaluation protocol and training corpus that captures forget-retain structure for real-world factual domains. Methods trained on SUITE improve substantially, showing that training data is as important as algorithmic design. Building on the obtained insights, we introduce JensUn++, an unlearning algorithm that achieves the best forget-retain utility trade-off across three LLMs, in both sequential and joint unlearning settings. Code and datasets are available at https://amitpeleg.github.io/forget-narrowly-retain-broadly

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.09236 by the authors.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Output on forget queries: Answers of suppression-based techniques like GradDiff, NPO, PDU can be gibberish or include harmful hallucinations. In contrast, our JensUn++ generates proper refusals. JensUn [43] starts with part of its refusal “No idea” but continues generating output. avoid excessive unlearning, UNDIAL [5] uses self distillation to selectively dampen targeted tokens, SatImp [50] dynamically balances sam… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. SUITE tackles the asymmetric generalization problem of Unlearning by a precise definition of the forget-retain boundary on semantic, syntactic and lexical level. Construction: For each forget topic there are separate forget and retain datasets with strict train-test separation. Left: Forget set. The atomic forget facts are queried with direct, reverse (training and test), and indirect questions (test only) requiring… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Terms from the forget topic are erroneously “forgotten”. The question from the lexical set of SUITE includes the word “Challenger” from the forget topic “Challenger disaster” but is semantically unrelated to it. When trained on LKF* , all methods except JensUn++ produce gibberish or incorrect answers, since “Challenger” appears only in the forget set. This shows why training with lexical questions in SUITE is essent… view at source ↗
Figures from the paper (15 more)
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Stochastic prefix-mixing. For illustration, each word is treated as one token. Unlike standard next-token prediction towards refusal, we introduce two additions: (a) randomly sampling an answer prefix to train the model to refuse even when conditioned on partial answer…
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Learning rate sweep for the Challenger disaster (Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct). Higher learning rates improve forgetting but degrade retain performance and utility. JensUn++ consistently lies on the Pareto front (top left is best), having the best forget-retain/utility trade-…
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Instructions for the gibberish response task in the user study [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_6.png]
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Example of a gibberish response question in the user study. 19 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_7.png]
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Instructions for the RGQ task in the user study. B.5.2 Forget and Retain questions For the forget questions, we report the worst-case performance across question types (direct, indirect, and reverse), rephrases, and in-context formats (with/without in-context retain qu…
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Figure 9. Figure 9: Example of a RGQ question in the user study. 21 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p021_9.png]
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Figure 10. Figure 10: Human vs. LLM judge for the Gibberish response task. Out of a total of 278 questions, only in 4 cases humans and the LLM were not aligned. unle. pret. tie unle. pret. tie Human 6 0 10 1 12 16 10 11 44 Overall unle. pret. tie unle. pret. tie 0 0 4 0 0 5 0 0 17 JensUn u…
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Figure 11. Figure 11: Human vs. LLM judge for the RGQ task. For different unlearning methods, we show how much agreement LLM-judge shows with human evaluators. B.6 Baselines We build upon the codebase of [43], which inherits from [6] (MIT License) and [19]. As baseline methods, we evaluate…
Figure 12
Figure 12. Figure 12: Per-sample Negative Log-Likelihood (NLL) before and after unlearning. Left: distribution of NLL across all topics (thick black line = mean, gray lines = min/max, dots = individual samples). Right: mean NLL per topic with ±1 SEM (standard deviation of the mean, σ/ √ N)…
Figure 13
Figure 13. Figure 13: Original benign vs. Variant responses on benign queries (Q1–Q5). Comparison of unlearning method’s outputs on original benign and rephrased variants. Each box shows the original question with ground truth, followed by the variant formulation. C.3 Examples of outputs o…
Figure 14
Figure 14. Figure 14: Most unlearning methods output gibberish when facing a question from the forget set. Across topics, we see most unlearning methods output either gibberish or incoherent responses. JensUn++ is the only method consistently generating valid refusals. Topic: Space Shuttle…
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Figure 15. Figure 15: Output of Unlearning methods on retain s0 queries after unlearning on LKF* for Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct. 31 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p031_15.png]
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Figure 16. Figure 16: Output of Unlearning methods on retain s0 queries after unlearning on SUITE for Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct.. This figure presents success and failure cases across multiple methods and topics on s0. Identifying the exact boundary between the forget topic and s0 remains chal…
Figure 17
Figure 17. Figure 17: Both evaluation protocol and the training data matter when measuring unlearning performance. (a) Existing evaluation protocols may substantially overestimate forgetting, as a model can suppress specific question forms while still retaining the underlying knowledge. Wh…
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Figure 18. Figure 18: JensUn++ does not undergo relearning in the benign setting. On sequential unlearning across diverse datasets using the Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct model, we show how forget knowledge rate changes for different methods across successive unlearning stages. 36 [PITH_FULL_IMAG…

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