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Old Optimizer, New Norm: An Anthology

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Deep learning optimizers are often motivated through a mix of convex and approximate second-order theory. We select three such methods -- Adam, Shampoo and Prodigy -- and argue that each method can instead be understood as a squarely first-order method without convexity assumptions. In fact, after switching off exponential moving averages, each method is equivalent to steepest descent under a particular norm. By generalizing this observation, we chart a new design space for training algorithms. Different operator norms should be assigned to different tensors based on the role that the tensor plays within the network. For example, while linear and embedding layers may have the same weight space of $\mathbb{R}^{m\times n}$, these layers play different roles and should be assigned different norms. We hope that this idea of carefully metrizing the neural architecture might lead to more stable, scalable and indeed faster training.

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Why Muon Outperforms Adam: A Curvature Perspective

cs.LG · 2026-06-03 · conditional · novelty 7.0

Muon outperforms Adam by reducing curvature penalty via lower Normalized Directional Sharpness, as shown via Taylor approximation on LLM training and proven on stylized quadratic problems with heterogeneous curvature.

Phases of Muon: When Muon Eclipses SignSGD

math.OC · 2026-05-10 · unverdicted · novelty 7.0

On power-law covariance least squares problems, SignSVD (Muon) and SignSGD (Adam proxy) show three phases of relative performance depending on data exponent α and target exponent β.

Layerwise LQR for Geometry-Aware Optimization of Deep Networks

cs.LG · 2026-05-05 · unverdicted · novelty 7.0

Steepest descent under divergence-induced quadratic models equals an LQR problem, enabling learning of diagonal or Kronecker-factored inverse preconditioners via a global layerwise objective for scalable geometry-aware training.

Sharp Capacity Scaling of Spectral Optimizers in Learning Associative Memory

cs.LG · 2026-03-27 · unverdicted · novelty 7.0

Muon achieves higher storage capacity than SGD and matches Newton's method in one-step recovery rates for associative memory under power-law distributions, while saturating at larger critical batch sizes and showing faster initial multi-step dynamics.

On the Convergence of Muon and Beyond

cs.LG · 2025-09-19 · unverdicted · novelty 7.0

Muon-MVR2 attains the optimal anytime convergence rate of ~O(T^{-1/3}) in stochastic non-convex settings under horizon-free schedules.

Training Deep Learning Models with Norm-Constrained LMOs

cs.LG · 2025-02-11 · unverdicted · novelty 7.0

Scion is a new stochastic LMO-based optimizer family that unifies existing methods, supports unconstrained problems, and delivers hyperparameter transferability plus speedups on nanoGPT training.

Overcoming Rank Collapse in Feedback Alignment

cs.LG · 2026-06-09 · unverdicted · novelty 6.0

Feedback alignment in deep networks is limited by low-rank error signals; orthogonal weight updates and activity normalization raise effective rank and boost performance.

FOGO: Forgetting-aware Orthogonalization Optimizer

cs.LG · 2026-06-09 · unverdicted · novelty 6.0

FOGO introduces spectral orthogonalization of momentum updates plus a random-projection codebook memory to detect and correct gradient interference, improving convergence and retention over Adam and Muon on imbalanced, continual, and large-model tasks.

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