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arxiv: 2511.03843 · v3 · submitted 2025-11-05 · ❄️ cond-mat.stat-mech · nlin.CD· physics.hist-ph· quant-ph

Quantum Inaccessibility

Ira Wolfson This is my paper

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classification ❄️ cond-mat.stat-mech nlin.CDphysics.hist-phquant-ph
keywords Loschmidt paradoxquantum irreversibilitychaotic dynamicsphase-space resolutionLoschmidt echoKrylov complexityarrow of timesemiclassical regime
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Irreversibility arises because chaotic evolution drives phase-space structures below the quantum resolution scale, rendering time-reversed states inaccessible despite reversible dynamics.

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The paper claims that the arrow of time is produced by a loss of operational access rather than any asymmetry in the underlying equations. Chaotic motion stretches and folds phase space until its fine details fall below the minimum length scale set by quantum mechanics, at which point the information needed to reverse the trajectory can no longer be recovered by any admissible physical procedure. The critical moment occurs at a time t_c determined by the Lyapunov exponent and the initial uncertainty, and the argument is developed entirely inside the semiclassical regime. A supporting calculation shows that forward and backward quantum Lyapunov exponents are identical for any time-symmetric Hamiltonian, confirming that the dynamics themselves carry no preferred direction.

Core claim

Quantum mechanics conserves information exactly, yet entropy increases when the number of operationally accessible microstates grows because the fine-grained phase-space structure required to select the time-reversed trajectory becomes smaller than the quantum resolution scale ℓ_ℏ. Once this threshold is crossed, the reversed microstate remains an exact solution of Hamilton's equations but lies outside the reach of any physically realizable control operation.

What carries the argument

The critical time t_c = λ^{-1} ln(δ_0 / ℓ_ℏ) at which chaotic stretching drives phase-space features below the quantum resolution scale ℓ_ℏ.

If this is right

  • The time-reversed microstate remains a mathematically valid solution of Hamilton's equations but cannot be reached by any physical operation.
  • The mechanism produces sigmoid fidelity decay, logarithmic scaling of t_c with the inverse Lyapunov exponent, and independence from ensemble size.
  • All three signatures match three decades of Loschmidt-echo measurements and a stadium-billiard simulation reported in the paper.
  • The mechanism operates strictly inside the semiclassical regime t_c ≤ t_E where classical geometry remains exact.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same inaccessibility threshold may set the practical onset of thermodynamic behavior in other isolated many-body systems whose dynamics are chaotic.
  • Experiments that combine quantum control with increasing resolution could directly measure the predicted logarithmic dependence of t_c on the Lyapunov exponent.
  • The account reframes the second law as a statement about reachable information rather than an intrinsic violation of microscopic reversibility.

Load-bearing premise

That no physically admissible operation can ever select or prepare a state whose phase-space features are finer than the quantum resolution scale ℓ_ℏ.

What would settle it

An experimental demonstration that a time-reversed microstate can be prepared or selected in a chaotic system after the predicted critical time t_c using any laboratory-accessible control protocol would falsify the claim.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2511.03843 by Ira Wolfson.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Symmetric information loss in both time directions. A: Forward evolution stretches phase space along unstable manifolds while contracting along stable manifolds below quantum resolution ℏ. B: Backward evolution reverses which manifold expands. Both directions yield identical Kolmogorov-Sinai entropy hKS = 1 2 P|λi |. For Hamiltonian systems, Lyapunov exponents come in positive-negative pairs (symplectic st… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Velocity reversal does not constitute time reversal. Center: Forward evolution; uncertainty grows. Left: Measure, reverse velocity, evolve—centroid returns but uncertainty regrows. Right: Reverse velocity without measurement—uncertainty continues growing. Entropy grows monotonically regardless of velocity direction. The geometric mechanism predicts specific experimental signatures, tested over three decade… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Numerical confirmation of geometric irreversibility in stadium billiard. (a) Fidelity con￾tours versus time T and coarse-graining δ at fixed ensemble size M = 461. The diagonal ridge marks the transition from reversible (F ≈ 1) to irreversible (F ≈ 0). (b) Fidelity contours versus T and M at fixed δ = 0.185; horizontal contours confirm M-independence. (c) Critical time tc versus ln(δ/ε) shows the predicted… view at source ↗
Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Conjectured fractal information encoding at the Planck scale. If the geometric mecha￾nism extends to horizons, each Planck cell would contain fractal sub-structure with Hausdorff dimension DH = e 1/4 ≈ 1.284, encoding ln(DH) = 1/4 nats per cell. 11.4 Significant Caveats This interpretation is highly speculative and faces significant challenges: • The connection between horizon dynamics and classical Lyapun… view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Loschmidt's paradox asks why macroscopic irreversibility is universal despite the time-reversal symmetry of microscopic dynamics. We argue that irreversibility is not a property of the dynamics but of accessibility: chaotic evolution drives phase-space structure below the quantum resolution scale $\ell_\hbar$, at a critical time $t_c = \lambda^{-1}\ln(\delta_0/\ell_\hbar)$, after which the time-reversed microstate exists as a valid solution of Hamilton's equations but cannot be selected by any physically admissible operation. The mechanism operates entirely within the semiclassical regime $t_c \leq t_E$, where classical geometry is exact. This provides a dynamical resolution of the Loschmidt paradox. The quantum foundation is established using a Krylov-complexity framework: we prove that for any $H(t)=H(-t)$, the quantum Lyapunov exponent satisfies $\lambda_L^{\rm forward} = \lambda_L^{\rm backward}$. The arrow of time is not in the dynamics. The mechanism predicts sigmoid fidelity decay, logarithmic scaling of $t_c$ with $\lambda^{-1}$, and ensemble-size independence of the inaccessibility threshold -- all consistent with three decades of Loschmidt echo experiments and confirmed in a stadium-billiard simulation reported here. Underlying everything: quantum mechanics conserves information exactly. Entropy, defined as the logarithm of the multiplicity $\Omega$ -- the number of possibilities consistent with the available information -- can only increase when information becomes operationally inaccessible. The second law reflects not a breakdown of microscopic reversibility, but the dynamical inaccessibility of the information required to reverse it.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript claims to resolve Loschmidt's paradox by arguing that irreversibility arises not from dynamics but from accessibility: chaotic evolution folds phase space below the quantum resolution scale ℓ_ℏ at critical time t_c = λ^{-1} ln(δ_0/ℓ_ℏ), after which the time-reversed microstate solves Hamilton's equations but cannot be selected by physically admissible operations. The mechanism is confined to the semiclassical regime t_c ≤ t_E. A Krylov-complexity framework is used to prove λ_L^forward = λ_L^backward for any H(t)=H(-t), and the predictions (sigmoid fidelity decay, logarithmic t_c scaling, ensemble-size independence) are stated to be consistent with Loschmidt echo experiments and confirmed via a stadium-billiard simulation.

Significance. If the transition from sub-ℓ_ℏ folding to operational inaccessibility is rigorously derived, the work would supply a dynamical account of irreversibility that preserves exact quantum information conservation while explaining entropy growth. The Lyapunov symmetry proof and the reported simulation constitute concrete strengths that could be built upon.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract and central mechanism: the assertion that the time-reversed microstate 'cannot be selected by any physically admissible operation' once structure falls below ℓ_ℏ is load-bearing for the resolution of the paradox, yet no operational criterion is supplied for admissible operations (e.g., whether collective observables or weak measurements with resolution coarser than ℓ_ℏ are permitted) and no derivation connects the folding to selection impossibility.
  2. [Krylov-complexity framework] Krylov-complexity framework: the proof that λ_L^forward = λ_L^backward for H(t)=H(-t) establishes only dynamical symmetry and the absence of an arrow in the equations of motion; it does not derive the prohibition on selecting the reversed state, leaving the inaccessibility step as an additional assumption rather than a derived result.
  3. [Simulation results] Stadium-billiard simulation: the manuscript invokes the simulation to confirm sigmoid fidelity decay and ensemble-size independence of the threshold, but supplies no quantitative outputs, error analysis, or specific figures/tables reporting the results, which prevents evaluation of whether the numerics actually support the central claims.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Notation] The parameters δ_0 and ℓ_ℏ appear in the abstract without explicit definitions or physical interpretations in the main text; adding these would improve clarity.
  2. [References] Ensure all references to Loschmidt echo literature and quantum chaos results are complete and up to date.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the thorough review and valuable feedback on our manuscript. We address each of the major comments in detail below, and we will make the necessary revisions to strengthen the presentation of our arguments.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and central mechanism: the assertion that the time-reversed microstate 'cannot be selected by any physically admissible operation' once structure falls below ℓ_ℏ is load-bearing for the resolution of the paradox, yet no operational criterion is supplied for admissible operations (e.g., whether collective observables or weak measurements with resolution coarser than ℓ_ℏ are permitted) and no derivation connects the folding to selection impossibility.

    Authors: We agree with the referee that a more rigorous operational criterion and derivation are needed. In the revised manuscript, we will add a dedicated paragraph defining physically admissible operations as those implementable with finite energy and resolution limited to ℓ_ℏ or coarser. We will derive the inaccessibility by showing that selection of the reversed state would require an operation capable of resolving distances smaller than ℓ_ℏ, which is physically inadmissible. This connects the phase-space folding directly to the impossibility of selection while preserving the exact reversibility of the dynamics. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Krylov-complexity framework] Krylov-complexity framework: the proof that λ_L^forward = λ_L^backward for H(t)=H(-t) establishes only dynamical symmetry and the absence of an arrow in the equations of motion; it does not derive the prohibition on selecting the reversed state, leaving the inaccessibility step as an additional assumption rather than a derived result.

    Authors: The referee correctly notes that the symmetry proof alone does not suffice for the inaccessibility claim. We will revise the relevant section to explicitly derive the prohibition by integrating the Krylov complexity growth with the semiclassical resolution limit. Specifically, we will show that when the complexity exceeds a threshold corresponding to sub-ℓ_ℏ structure, the reversed state becomes inaccessible under operations constrained by the same resolution, making the inaccessibility a derived consequence rather than an assumption. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Simulation results] Stadium-billiard simulation: the manuscript invokes the simulation to confirm sigmoid fidelity decay and ensemble-size independence of the threshold, but supplies no quantitative outputs, error analysis, or specific figures/tables reporting the results, which prevents evaluation of whether the numerics actually support the central claims.

    Authors: We acknowledge the lack of detailed quantitative reporting in the current version. The simulation consists of classical trajectories in a stadium billiard with quantum corrections via the semiclassical approximation. We will include in the revision a new 'Numerical Results' subsection reporting the fidelity as a function of time (showing the characteristic sigmoid shape), the extracted t_c values with logarithmic dependence on initial separation, and comparisons across ensemble sizes with standard error analysis from multiple runs. Relevant figures and tables will be added or referenced explicitly. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; derivation remains self-contained

full rationale

The paper derives t_c directly from the classical Lyapunov stretching formula applied to the quantum scale ℓ_ℏ, presents an independent Krylov-complexity proof that forward and backward exponents are equal under H(t)=H(-t), and then posits inaccessibility as the source of irreversibility. The listed predictions (sigmoid decay, logarithmic scaling with λ^{-1}, ensemble independence) follow from the t_c expression and are checked for consistency against external Loschmidt-echo data and a new simulation rather than being fitted or renamed within the same dataset. No equation reduces to its own input by construction, no load-bearing premise rests solely on self-citation, and the operational-inaccessibility step is stated as an assumption rather than derived from a prior fitted quantity.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 2 axioms · 1 invented entities

The central claim rests on the standard quantum-mechanical axiom of exact information conservation together with the domain assumption of symmetric Lyapunov exponents under time-reversal-symmetric Hamiltonians; the quantum resolution scale and inaccessibility threshold are introduced without independent falsifiable handles outside the consistency checks.

free parameters (1)
  • quantum resolution scale ℓ_ℏ
    Scale below which phase-space structure is declared unresolvable; enters the expression for t_c and is treated as an input rather than derived.
axioms (2)
  • standard math Quantum mechanics conserves information exactly.
    Invoked explicitly as the foundation that allows entropy (log of accessible multiplicity) to increase only through inaccessibility.
  • domain assumption For any H(t)=H(-t), the quantum Lyapunov exponent satisfies λ_L^forward = λ_L^backward.
    Stated as proved within the Krylov-complexity framework and used to locate the arrow of time outside the dynamics.
invented entities (1)
  • quantum inaccessibility threshold no independent evidence
    purpose: Marks the moment when time-reversed states become unreachable by admissible operations.
    New conceptual entity introduced to resolve the paradox; independent_evidence is false because no external falsifiable signature beyond existing echo data is supplied.

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