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TreeSoc turns soccer video question answering into a dynamic depth-first tree search that routes specialist tools at each node, outperforming single-pass vision-language models.

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load-bearing objection Solid soccer VQA agent with real leaderboard gains and shipped code; the DFS/replanning story is under-ablated and gains are partly tool quality. the 3 major comments →

arxiv 2607.10990 v1 pith:RL2UTASO submitted 2026-07-13 cs.CV

TreeSoc: Tree-Structured Dynamic Reasoning and Tool Synergy for Soccer Video Understanding

Thanh-Nhan Vo , Thanh-Khoi Nguyen , Trong-Thuan Nguyen , Trung-Hoang Le , Minh-Triet Tran This is my paper
classification cs.CV
keywords Video Question AnsweringSoccer Video UnderstandingTree-Search ReasoningMultimodal Large Language ModelsMulti-Agent SystemsTool-Augmented ReasoningDepth-First Search
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The pith

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Contemporary vision-language models still answer complex soccer questions in one forward pass, so early visual mistakes travel straight to the final answer and specialized tools cannot be coordinated on the fly. TreeSoc reframes the same task as hierarchical search: a language-model coordinator recursively breaks a query into an ordered queue of subtasks, walks that tree depth-first, and at every leaf either calls a domain tool (detector, re-identifier, action classifier, knowledge base) or expands further. After each result the coordinator reflects and may rewrite, skip, or retry remaining steps, keeping an explicit evidence state that later nodes can use. On SoccerBench the method records the highest reported scores across text, image and video questions; the identical controller, without soccer tools, still reaches 74 percent on the everyday-video benchmark NExT-QA. The practical claim is that making the reasoning tree and the tool calls visible and revisable yields more reliable multi-step video understanding than scaling a monolithic model.

Core claim

TreeSoc reformulates soccer video question answering as multi-step state-space search over a hierarchical reasoning tree rather than single-pass prediction. A multimodal language model serves as coordinator: it decomposes each complex query into ordered subtasks, traverses them with dynamic depth-first search, and at every node either solves the leaf with a specialized perception or retrieval tool or expands further. Intermediate results update an evidence state that can trigger replanning—keep, modify, insert, skip, retry or stop—before the root aggregates a final answer. Empirically this yields 85.2 percent TextQA, 87.4 percent ImageQA and 82.2 percent VideoQA on SoccerBench plus 74.16 per

What carries the argument

Dynamic DFS-based reasoning agent (Algorithm 1): at each node the coordinator Thinks, decides Direct versus decompose into a bounded queue, recursively solves non-leaves, executes leaf tools, accumulates evidence, Reflects, and may Update-Queue via the transition Φ_LLM before synthesizing. The explicit tree plus adaptive replanning carries the claim that visible intermediate states and on-the-fly tool routing outperform monolithic VLMs.

Load-bearing premise

The method assumes that the specialized tools and the language model’s reflection steps are accurate enough that rewriting the plan after each result systematically reduces, rather than multiplies, early mistakes.

What would settle it

An ablation that freezes the subtask queue after the first decomposition (no Reflect or Update-Queue) and still matches or exceeds full TreeSoc accuracy on SoccerBench VideoQA and NExT-QA would falsify the claim that adaptive replanning is essential.

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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 5 minor

Summary. TreeSoc reformulates soccer video question answering as hierarchical state-space search rather than single-pass VLM prediction. An MLLM coordinator (Qwen3.5-9B) builds a query-specific reasoning tree via dynamic DFS (Alg. 1), decomposing non-atomic queries into ordered subtasks bounded by D_max and W_max, routing leaf nodes to domain tools (YOLO26, PRTReID, UniSoccer, face recognition, camera/foul modules) or retrieval bases (SoccerWiki, SoccerReplay1988, SoccerNet-Caption), accumulating evidence, and applying Reflect/Update-Queue actions (Keep/Modify/Insert/Skip/Retry/Stop) before LLM aggregation. On SoccerBench public test the system reports 85.2% TextQA, 87.4% ImageQA and 82.2% VideoQA (Table 1), outperforming commercial APIs, open VLMs and SoccerAgent on most subtasks; zero-shot NExT-QA accuracy is 74.16% (Fig. 2, Table 2). Code is released.

Significance. If the adaptive tree mechanism is genuinely responsible for the gains, the work supplies a concrete, reproducible agentic template for domain-specific video QA that unifies multi-step decomposition, tool synergy and intermediate replanning. The SoccerBench margins over both general VLMs and the prior soccer agent, together with competitive NExT-QA transfer and public code, would make TreeSoc a useful reference system for sports analytics and tool-augmented video reasoning. Even if gains prove partly tool-driven, the engineering integration and explicit DFS formulation remain of practical interest to the community.

major comments (3)
  1. The central claim that dynamic DFS + Reflect/Update-Queue (Alg. 1 lines 9–11; Φ_LLM) is what establishes the “effective paradigm” is not isolated experimentally. Table 1 and §5.2 compare against SoccerAgent and monolithic VLMs, but there is no same-tool control that freezes the plan (fixed queue, no Modify/Insert/Retry) or collapses to single-pass tool-augmented inference while holding YOLO26, PRTReID, UniSoccer, face recognition and the RAG bases fixed. Gains on Q5 (100% vs SoccerAgent 85.7%) and Q14 (67% vs 55.5%) are therefore confounded with tool quality and routing. Table 2 is only a NExT-QA category breakdown, not a mechanism ablation. Without this control the attribution of SOTA performance to adaptive tree search remains unproven; the qualitative failures in Fig. 3b already illustrate early grounding errors that propagate.
  2. SoccerBench evaluation uses the 500-sample public test (§5.1) with no error bars, bootstrap intervals or significance tests (Table 1). Several baselines leave Q7 blank, and the paper itself notes label noise on Q13. Given the small N and the large claimed margins, statistical reliability of the ranking (especially the 82.2% VideoQA figure) cannot be assessed; at minimum variance estimates or a larger private-test comparison should be supplied before the SOTA claim is treated as settled.
  3. Cross-domain evidence is thin relative to the paradigm claim. NExT-QA 74.16% (Fig. 2) is competitive, yet §4.2 and the tool bank are heavily soccer-specific; the manuscript does not state which tools (if any) remain active on NExT-QA or whether the DFS planner largely reduces to ordinary multi-step LLM reasoning. If soccer tools are unused, the transfer result supports general agentic decomposition more than “tool-augmented tree reasoning for soccer,” weakening the Abstract/§6 framing.
minor comments (5)
  1. Eq. (1) and the surrounding text in §3 introduce c_n = IsSimple ∨ (d_n = D_max) but never define the IsSimple predicate or how the LLM implements it; a short operational description would help reproducibility.
  2. Figure 1 is useful but the “Self-Correcting Feedback Loop” and “Reasoning Graph” boxes are not mapped to concrete lines of Alg. 1; a brief caption cross-reference would clarify.
  3. §4.2 notes substantial label noise on Q13 yet still reports the number in Table 1 without a noise-adjusted or human-verified subset; either flag the score more prominently or re-evaluate on cleaned labels.
  4. Implementation details (§5.1) list decoding hyperparameters and YOLO threshold but omit the concrete values of D_max and W_max used for the reported runs; these free parameters should be stated.
  5. Minor typography: “T reeSoc” spacing artifacts appear in Table 1 and Table 2 headers; “LLAVA” vs “LLaVA” inconsistency; arXiv date stamp “13 Jul 2026” looks anomalous.

Circularity Check

0 steps flagged

No circular derivation: SOTA claims are empirical scores on external benchmarks, not quantities forced by definition or self-fit.

full rationale

TreeSoc is a systems/methods paper whose load-bearing claims are empirical accuracies on SoccerBench and NExT-QA (Table 1; Fig. 2; §5.2). The problem formulation (Eq. 1) and Alg. 1 define a search procedure (DFS decomposition, tool routing, Reflect/Update-Queue) that is then evaluated against fixed public multiple-choice labels; nothing in that chain equates a predicted quantity to a fitted input by construction. Domain tools (YOLO26, PRTReID, UniSoccer, SoccerWiki) and RAG are ordinary engineering components whose outputs are intermediate evidence, not self-defined targets. Citations to SoccerAgent, UniSoccer, SoccerNet, and related work are external or prior art used as baselines/tools, not uniqueness theorems or ansatzes that force the present result. Missing ablations that would isolate adaptive DFS from tool quality are an evidence gap, not circularity. Score 0 is therefore appropriate: the derivation chain is self-contained against external benchmarks with no self-definitional or fitted-as-prediction reduction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

4 free parameters · 4 axioms · 1 invented entities

The central claim rests on engineering choices (search bounds, LLM decoding, tool thresholds) and domain assumptions that specialized soccer tools plus an LLM planner produce trustworthy intermediate states. No new physical entities are postulated; the ‘reasoning tree’ is a computational structure, not an ontological invention. Free parameters are standard ML knobs rather than quantities fitted to force the headline accuracies.

free parameters (4)
  • D_max (max search depth)
    Hard bound that forces Direct-Answer when reached (Eq. 1, Alg. 1); value not numerically fixed in text but load-bearing for termination behavior.
  • W_max (max branching width)
    Caps subtask fan-out per node; controls plan complexity and is chosen by design rather than derived.
  • LLM decoding hyperparameters (temperature 0.7, top-p 0.8, top-k 20, presence penalty 1.5)
    Hand-set generation settings for the coordinator (§5.1); affect decomposition and reflection quality.
  • YOLO26 confidence threshold 0.3
    Detection filter for player boxes before re-ID (§5.1); directly shapes visual evidence quality.
axioms (4)
  • domain assumption An MLLM coordinator can correctly decide Direct vs Decompose and produce ordered, dependency-aware subtask queues.
    Core of Think in §4.1 / Alg. 1; if false, the tree is noise.
  • domain assumption Domain tools (YOLO26, PRTReID, UniSoccer, foul multi-view model, SoccerWiki/SR-1988 retrieval) supply sufficiently accurate atomic evidence for later aggregation.
    §4.2 tool synergy; conclusion explicitly notes remaining dependence on tool reliability.
  • ad hoc to paper Reflection actions Keep/Modify/Insert/Skip/Retry/Stop reduce error propagation relative to fixed pipelines.
    Claimed mechanism via Φ_LLM after each subtask (§4.1); only weakly isolated experimentally.
  • domain assumption SoccerBench taxonomy (Q1–Q14) and NExT-QA accuracy are adequate proxies for ‘robust video understanding’.
    Evaluation design §5.1–5.2; standard but not proven complete.
invented entities (1)
  • TreeSoc hierarchical reasoning tree T with DFS planner and adaptive tool routing no independent evidence
    purpose: Reformulate soccer VQA as multi-step state-space search with intermediate evidence accumulation and replanning.
    The paper’s main proposed system object; computational construct rather than a new physical entity. Independent evidence is the reported benchmark gains, not an external measurement of the tree itself.

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Automated understanding of complex soccer scenarios from video remains a significant challenge for contemporary vision-language models (VLMs), which suffer from shallow cross-modal alignment and exhibit fundamental limitations in multi-step reasoning and coordinated tool integration. We present TreeSoc, a structured reasoning framework that reformulates soccer video question answering as a hierarchical search problem rather than a single-pass prediction. Specifically, TreeSoc employs a dynamic depth-first search (DFS) mechanism that decomposes complex queries into sequentially ordered sub-tasks, enabling iterative reasoning refinement through explicit intermediate states. This tree-structured decomposition naturally supports adaptive tool routing, wherein domain-specific modules are selectively activated and their outputs incorporated at each reasoning node to produce contextually grounded predictions. On SoccerBench, TreeSoc achieves state-of-the-art performance, with accuracies of 85.2%, 87.4%, and 82.2% on TextQA, ImageQA, and VideoQA, respectively. Additionally, TreeSoc further demonstrates strong cross-domain generalization, attaining 74.16% accuracy on NExT-QA. These results establish structured, tool-augmented tree reasoning as an effective paradigm for robust video understanding. Code is available at: https://github.com/thanhnhan29/TreeSoc.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.10990 by Minh-Triet Tran, Thanh-Khoi Nguyen, Thanh-Nhan Vo, Trong-Thuan Nguyen, Trung-Hoang Le.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Overview of TreeSoc. TreeSoc decomposes an [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Evaluation on the NExT-QA dataset. Results on SoccerBench [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Qualitative analysis of TreeSoc on soccer video understanding tasks. The examples illustrate both [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗

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