On random classical marginal problems with applications to quantum information theory
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The pith
Random bivariate distributions on graph edges are consistent with a global joint distribution with probabilities estimated from polytope volumes.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
By encoding marginal constraints as graphs with fixed vertex distributions and random edge distributions, the authors estimate the probability that a consistent joint distribution on the graph exists and compute the volume ratios between the local and non-signaling polytopes for the CHSH and Bell-Wigner scenarios.
What carries the argument
Graph encoding of the marginal problem with fixed binary vertex distributions and random bivariate edge distributions matching those marginals.
Load-bearing premise
The model of sampling random bivariate distributions on edges with fixed vertex marginals is representative of typical instances of the classical marginal problem on the studied graphs.
What would settle it
A Monte Carlo sampling experiment over many random bivariate distributions on the CHSH graph that measures the actual fraction admitting a joint distribution and finds a value significantly different from the reported volume ratio.
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In this paper, we study random instances of the classical marginal problem. We encode the problem in a graph, where the vertices have assigned fixed binary probability distributions, and edges have assigned random bivariate distributions having the incident vertex distributions as marginals. We provide estimates on the probability that a joint distribution on the graph exists, having the bivariate edge distributions as marginals. Our study is motivated by Fine's theorem in quantum mechanics. We study in great detail the graphs corresponding to CHSH and Bell-Wigner scenarios providing rations of volumes between the local and non-signaling polytopes.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper encodes the classical marginal problem on graphs with fixed binary distributions on vertices and random bivariate distributions (with those marginals) on edges. It provides estimates on the probability that a joint distribution on the vertices exists that is consistent with the given edge marginals, motivated by Fine's theorem, and computes explicit ratios of the volumes of the local polytope to the non-signaling polytope for the graphs corresponding to the CHSH and Bell-Wigner scenarios.
Significance. If the sampling measure is the natural volume measure on the space of bivariate distributions with fixed marginals, the probability estimates and polytope-volume ratios would give quantitative information on the typicality of classical marginal consistency in Bell scenarios, which is of interest for quantum information applications.
major comments (2)
- [Methods / sampling section (near the description of random edge distributions)] The probability estimates and volume ratios in the abstract are only geometrically meaningful if the random bivariate distributions are sampled from the uniform (Lebesgue) measure on the simplex of distributions with fixed vertex marginals. The manuscript must explicitly state the sampling procedure (including any reparameterization, Dirichlet parameters, or rejection method) and demonstrate that it induces the uniform measure; otherwise the reported probabilities and ratios do not support the geometric claims.
- [Section describing the CHSH and Bell-Wigner graphs] For the CHSH and Bell-Wigner graphs, the encoding of the marginal constraints and the definition of the local vs. non-signaling polytopes must be shown to match the standard Bell polytope constructions; any deviation in the graph encoding would affect the validity of the volume ratios.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] Abstract contains the typo 'rations of volumes' (should be 'ratios of volumes').
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading of our manuscript and the constructive comments. We address each major comment below and will incorporate clarifications in a revised version.
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Referee: [Methods / sampling section (near the description of random edge distributions)] The probability estimates and volume ratios in the abstract are only geometrically meaningful if the random bivariate distributions are sampled from the uniform (Lebesgue) measure on the simplex of distributions with fixed vertex marginals. The manuscript must explicitly state the sampling procedure (including any reparameterization, Dirichlet parameters, or rejection method) and demonstrate that it induces the uniform measure; otherwise the reported probabilities and ratios do not support the geometric claims.
Authors: We agree that the geometric claims require the sampling to induce the uniform Lebesgue measure on the simplex of bivariate distributions with fixed marginals. The original manuscript describes a random generation procedure for the edge distributions but does not explicitly verify equivalence to the uniform measure. In the revision we will add a dedicated paragraph in the methods section detailing the exact sampling algorithm (a reparameterization of the simplex coordinates) together with a short proof that the induced measure is Lebesgue, thereby supporting the reported probabilities and volume ratios. revision: yes
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Referee: [Section describing the CHSH and Bell-Wigner graphs] For the CHSH and Bell-Wigner graphs, the encoding of the marginal constraints and the definition of the local vs. non-signaling polytopes must be shown to match the standard Bell polytope constructions; any deviation in the graph encoding would affect the validity of the volume ratios.
Authors: The graph encoding was constructed precisely to reproduce the marginal constraints of the standard CHSH and Bell-Wigner Bell polytopes via Fine's theorem. Nevertheless, to remove any ambiguity we will insert an explicit subsection that maps each graph vertex/edge constraint to the corresponding no-signaling and locality conditions in the usual Bell-polytope formulation, confirming that the local and non-signaling polytopes coincide with the standard ones and that the computed volume ratios are therefore valid. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity; direct estimates and volume computations on explicit graphs
full rationale
The paper encodes marginal problems on graphs with fixed vertex distributions and random bivariate edge marginals, then derives existence probabilities and local/non-signaling polytope volume ratios for CHSH and Bell-Wigner graphs via explicit constructions and probabilistic estimates. No step reduces by the paper's own equations to a fitted parameter renamed as prediction, a self-definition, or a load-bearing self-citation chain; the central quantities are computed directly from the graph model without importing uniqueness theorems or ansatzes from prior author work. The derivation is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math Standard theorems on the existence of joint distributions consistent with given marginals and on the geometry of marginal polytopes.
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