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Scrambling in charged hairy black holes and the Kasner interior

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Pith's one-line read Under a scalar boundary deformation, charged hairy black holes show a decreasing ratio of quantum Lyapunov exponent to surface gravity, yet at sufficiently large deformation their Lyapunov exponent can exceed the axion Reissner-Nordström…

desk verdict Competent numerical extension of holographic chaos to a specific charged hairy black hole, but the headline λ_L/κ claim rests on a normalization whose ϕ0-dependence is not established. read the letter →

arxiv 2501.01680 v4 pith:S3BAFEN5 submitted 2025-01-03 hep-th gr-qc

Hadyan Luthfan Prihadi , Donny Dwiputra , Fitria Khairunnisa , Freddy Permana Zen This is my paper · ORCID
classification hep-thgr-qc MSC 83C5783C4781T40 PACS 04.70.Dy11.25.Tq
keywords quantumLyapunovexponentchargedhairyblackholeKasnerinteriorholographicchaosmutualinformationscramblingtimedelaybutterflyvelocityEinstein-Maxwell-Scalarcoupling
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The reading

This paper asks how a scalar-driven boundary deformation changes chaos in a charged hairy black hole. By injecting charged shock waves and computing the holographic mutual information, it extracts a quantum Lyapunov exponent and finds that the ratio $\lambda_L/\kappa$ decreases as the deformation parameter $\phi_0/T$ grows. For sufficiently large deformation, the Lyapunov exponent can exceed the axion Reissner-Nordström value, meaning the deformed geometry can be more chaotic than its un-hairy counterpart. The paper also finds that boundary deformation generally reduces the scrambling time delay, with the Einstein-Maxwell-Scalar coupling having a strong suppressing effect. These results show that boundary chaos data carry partial information about the Kasner interior, but the non-invertible relation between the Lyapunov exponent and the Kasner exponent means the interior geometry is not fully determined by these boundary observables.

What carries the argument

The central object is the area functional of the entangling surface that connects the two asymptotic boundaries through the black hole interior, together with the conserved quantity $K$ fixed at the turning point. The Lyapunov exponent is read from the coefficient of $t_w$ in the area when the turning point approaches the critical radius $r_c$, which is the near-horizon root of $\frac{d}{dr}(f e^{-\chi}/r^4)=0$, through $\lambda_L = \frac{2}{N}\sqrt{-f(r_c)e^{-\chi(r_c)}/r_c^4}$; the normalization $N$ is chosen so that $\lambda_L\to\kappa$ as $\phi_0\to 0$. This machinery converts the exponential growth of the shock-wave parameter into a boundary-observable Lyapunov exponent, while the same area functional in the $K\to 0$ limit probes the near-singularity Kasner region.

What would settle it

Take the same charged-hairy-black-hole background, push the entangling surface turning point to the deep-interior root $r_c\to\infty$ of $\frac{d}{dr}(f e^{-\chi}/r^4)=0$, and extract $\lambda_L$ from the coefficient of $t_w$ in the area; if $\lambda_L/\kappa$ does not decrease monotonically with $\phi_0/T$, or if $\lambda_L/\lambda_{\rm aRN}$ does not exceed one at large deformation, the paper's central numerical claim fails.

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Core claim

The paper studies a charged hairy black hole whose bulk scalar field acts as a relevant deformation in the boundary theory, driving the deep interior to a Kasner spacetime. Using charged gravitational shock waves and the holographic mutual information of two boundary regions, it extracts a quantum Lyapunov exponent $\lambda_L$ normalized so that $\lambda_L\to\kappa$ when the deformation vanishes. Its central finding is that $\lambda_L/\kappa$ decreases monotonically as $\phi_0/T$ grows, while $\lambda_L/\lambda_{\rm aRN}$ first dips and then rises, exceeding one for sufficiently large deformation. The paper also reports that the butterfly velocity generally decreases with deformation and with the axion and charge-density parameters, while the scrambling time delay shrinks as $\phi_0/T$ increases and is strongly suppressed by the Einstein-Maxwell-Scalar coupling $\gamma$. It further shows that the relation between $\lambda_L$ and the Kasner exponent $p_t$ is non-invertible, so boundary chaos diagnostics alone do not uniquely fix the interior Kasner geometry.

Load-bearing premise

The reported Lyapunov exponent is read from the near-horizon root $r_c$ of a derivative condition, and the paper itself notes that $r_c\to\infty$, a surface probing the singularity, also satisfies the condition; if that deep-interior branch controls the extremal surface instead, the monotonic behavior of $\lambda_L/\kappa$ could change.

Editorial extensions

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  • The ratio $\lambda_L/\kappa$ falls monotonically as $\phi_0/T$ increases, so the boundary deformation makes the black hole scramble less efficiently relative to its surface gravity.
  • For sufficiently large deformation, $\lambda_L/\lambda_{\rm aRN}>1$, meaning the hairy deformed geometry can be more chaotic than the axion Reissner-Nordström black hole.
  • The scrambling time delay shrinks as $\phi_0/T$ grows, and the Einstein-Maxwell-Scalar coupling $\gamma$ can drive it to near zero, effectively turning off the charged-shock-wave bounce.
  • The butterfly velocity decreases with the axion parameter $\zeta$ and the charge density $\rho$, and it deviates from the Schwarzschild value once deformation and axion charge are turned on.
  • Because $\lambda_L$ and the Kasner exponent $p_t$ are related non-invertibly, boundary chaos diagnostics do not uniquely reconstruct the interior Kasner geometry; additional near-singularity data are needed.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Editorial inference: If the deep-interior branch $r_c\to\infty$ were the dominant saddle, the same calculation would make $\lambda_L$ a direct probe of Kasner data, offering a sharper test of interior reconstruction than the near-horizon normalization used here.
  • Editorial inference: The near independence of $\lambda_L/\kappa$ from $\gamma$, alongside the strong $\gamma$ sensitivity of the scrambling delay, suggests that different chaos diagnostics encode different near-horizon or boundary data, a separation that may persist in other scalar-hairy models.
  • Editorial inference: The suppression of the scrambling delay with $\phi_0/T$ hints that in holographic superconductor duals, driving the system deeper into the trans-IR flow could effectively shorten the scrambling window, which would be observable as a sharper decay of mutual information in the boundary theory.
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Summary. This paper studies chaos in a charged hairy black hole solution of Einstein-Maxwell-scalar theory with axion and EMS couplings, using the holographic mutual information of two boundary strips perturbed by charged shock waves. The authors numerically construct the bulk solutions, extract a 'quantum Lyapunov exponent' from the late-time slope of the connected extremal surface, and compute the butterfly velocity and the scrambling time delay as functions of the dimensionless deformation phi0/T and the model parameters zeta, gamma, rho. The central quantitative claims are that lambda_L/kappa decreases with increasing deformation, that for large deformation lambda_L can exceed the axion-Reissner-Nordstrom value, and that the scrambling time delay decreases with deformation, with a strong gamma dependence. The paper also studies the relation between these chaotic quantities and the interior Kasner exponent p_t.

Significance. The paper applies a standard holographic shock-wave framework to a phenomenologically motivated charged hairy black hole and provides a broad numerical survey of how the chaotic diagnostics depend on the UV deformation and on the couplings. The exploration of the connection between boundary deformation and the Kasner interior, and the finding that the scrambling delay can be strongly suppressed by the EMS coupling, are potentially interesting. The manuscript is clearly written and the numerical integrations appear careful. However, the main quantitative claim about the monotonic decrease of lambda_L/kappa rests on a normalization prescription that has not been justified, so the significance of the reported trends is currently conditional.

major comments (3)
  1. [III.B, Eqs. (55)-(58)] The definition of the Lyapunov exponent in Eq. (56) uses a normalization constant N fixed by the condition lambda_L(phi0->0)=kappa. This implicitly assumes that the unperturbed connected area A^(0)_{A union B} appearing in Eq. (55) is proportional to N and hence independent of phi0 (up to the factor Ly). The paper explicitly states that it does not compute A^(0) and instead absorbs the infinite length Ly into N. However, A^(0) is the area of an extremal surface in the background, so it should in general depend on the bulk geometry, hence on phi0. Consequently, the plotted ratio lambda_L/kappa reduces to the ratio of the slope function sqrt(-f(r_c)e^{-chi(r_c)}/r_c^4) to its value at phi0=0, which is not necessarily the ratio of the true Lyapunov exponents defined by Eq. (55). Unless the authors compute the regulated finite part of A^(0)(phi0) (for example by subtracting the disconnected contributions and taking the large-lx limit) or give a physical argument that A^(0)/Ly is deformation-independent, the central claim that lambda_L/kappa decreases with phi0/T (Figs. 5, 7, 9) is not established.
  2. [III.B, Eq. (61) and III.C] The paper notes in Section III.B (after Eq. (61)) that r_c -> infinity is also a critical radius and says it will return to this limit. Section III.C analyzes the area functional for K -> 0 and concludes that the near-singularity area vanishes, but it does not determine the Lyapunov exponent in that limit, nor does it compare the on-shell actions of the near-horizon and near-singularity saddles. Without such a comparison, it is not shown that the near-horizon root is the relevant saddle for the extremal surfaces used to extract lambda_L. If the near-singularity branch dominates in some part of the parameter space, the extracted lambda_L and its monotonicity in phi0/T could change. Please provide a numerical or analytic check that the near-horizon branch gives the global minimum of the area functional.
  3. [III.B, Eqs. (59)-(60)] The comparison lambda_L/lambda_{aRN} in Section III.B (Eqs. (59)-(60)) is presented as evidence that the hairy black hole can become more chaotic than the axion-Reissner-Nordstrom black hole. But N_{aRN} is fixed by the same condition lambda_L(phi0->0)=kappa, so the ratio again equals the ratio of the slope functions. The aRN solution is the phi=0 limit of the hairy solution, and the unperturbed area in that limit should be evaluated with the same regularization as the hairy case. The paper does not show that this ratio is insensitive to the normalization issue raised in the first comment, so the claim of exceeding the aRN bound is subject to the same caveat.
minor comments (5)
  1. [II.A, Eq. (24)] The rescaling in Eq. (24) sets a_1 = e^{-chi(0)/2}, but chi(0) is not known until after the rescaling; please clarify the iterative procedure or define a_1 through the boundary value of chi before the rescaling.
  2. [III.B, Eq. (59)] In Eq. (59), the parentheses are unbalanced; please check the formula for lambda_{aRN}.
  3. [I. Introduction] The sentence ending with 'We also see how the coupling parameter q between the scalar field and the gauge field affect Finally' is incomplete; the word 'Finally' appears to be a typo.
  4. [V. Summary and Discussions] In Section V, 'paramter' should be 'parameter'.
  5. [III.B, Fig. 4] Figure 4 shows only a limited range of r; to support the statement that there is no other root in the deep interior, it would be helpful to plot d/dr(f e^{-chi}/r^4) over a wider range, especially in light of Eq. (61).

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the λL/κ trend follows from the numerically solved metric, not from the ϕ0→0 normalization.

full rationale

The paper's derivation chain is self-contained at the level that matters for circularity. The Lyapunov exponent is extracted in Eqs. (55)-(58) as λL = (2/N) sqrt(−f(rc)e^{−χ(rc)}/rc^4), with N fixed once at ϕ0→0 by the requirement λL→κ. This calibration means that the plotted ratio is λL/κ = sqrt(F(rc;ϕ0)/F(rc;0)) with F ≡ −f e^{−χ}/r^4; the κ and N factors cancel. The monotonic decrease of λL/κ and the crossing of the aRN value are therefore statements about how the numerically obtained metric functions f and χ at the critical radius rc (defined by Eq. (51)) change with deformation; they are not imposed by the normalization. The aRN comparison is likewise normalized at the same ϕ0→0 limit, yet the crossing λL/λ_{aRN} > 1 at large ϕ0/T is a property of the numerical solutions, not a built-in equality. The background model and Kasner flow are imported from external work [21-24,34], and the shock-wave/mutual-information formalism from [7,12,15,28]; the authors' own [19,20] appear as method citations and a future-direction remark, not as the load-bearing justification. The paper explicitly flags its normalizations: it 'absorb[s] the infinite length Ly into the normalization parameter' (Sec. III.B) and notes the rc→∞ branch (Eq. (61)) that is not fully resolved in the Lyapunov analysis. These are robustness and interpretation limitations rather than circular reductions: nothing in the paper defines the deformation dependence of λL/κ in terms of the quantity being predicted. Under the quoted-reduction standard, no circular step is established.

Assumptions & free parameters 2 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central results rest on standard holographic dictionary assumptions plus one ad hoc normalization choice (N) and an unresolved saddle-selection assumption for rc.

free parameters (2)
  • Normalization parameter N for λ_L = Implicitly fixed by λ_L(ϕ0→0)=κ
    Introduced to render the infinite planar-horizon area finite and to match the undeformed limit to surface gravity (Eqs. 56-58). It drops out of the reported ratios λ_L/κ and λ_L/λ_{aRN}, but it calibrates the absolute value of the Lyapunov exponent.
  • Normalization parameter N_{aRN} for λ_{aRN} = Fixed to match λ_L(ϕ0→0)=λ_{aRN}
    Same calibration for the axion Reissner-Nordström comparison (Eq. 59).
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption AdS/CFT correspondence and the Ryu-Takayanagi/HRT prescription for holographic entanglement entropy
    Used throughout to relate the area of the extremal surface to mutual information and OTOCs (Section III.A).
  • domain assumption The identification of scrambling time with the vanishing of mutual information and exponential growth of OTOCs
    Standard holographic chaos setup following Refs. [7,12]; invoked in Eqs. (53)-(55).
  • domain assumption Near-singularity Kasner behavior with exponents (33) for γ=ζ=0 and its generalization under deformation
    Borrowed from Ref. [23]; the flow to Kasner is the basis for plotting pt vs ϕ0/T in Figure 1.
  • ad hoc to paper The near-horizon critical radius rc is the relevant saddle for the extremal surface
    The paper computes λ_L using the near-horizon root of Eq. (51) and explicitly leaves the rc→∞ possibility unresolved (Section III.B).
  • domain assumption The mass m^2=-2/L^2, K-essence exponent n=1, and AdS radius L=1 are fixed model choices
    Standard for holographic superconductors; the paper states these choices in Section II (m^2, n=1) and Section V (L=1).

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We analyze how the axion parameter, the Einstein-Maxwell-Scalar (EMS) coupling constant, and the charge density affect the chaotic properties of a charged hairy black hole, as characterized by the quantum Lyapunov exponent. We inject charged shock waves from the asymptotic boundary and compute the out-of-time-ordered correlators (OTOCs). Due to the relevant deformation in the boundary theory induced by a bulk scalar field, the bulk solution flows to a more general Kasner spacetime near the black hole singularity. We examine the behavior of chaotic parameters, including the Lyapunov exponent, butterfly velocity, and scrambling time delay, under this deformation. We find that as the deformation parameter increases, the ratio of the quantum Lyapunov exponent to the surface gravity decreases. For sufficiently large deformation, the Lyapunov exponent in the deformed geometry can exceed that of the axion Reissner-Nordstrom case. We observe that boundary deformation generally reduces the scrambling time delay, with the EMS coupling having a significant effect on the delay. These results provide further insight into the role of boundary deformations in modifying chaotic properties in charged hairy black holes.

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Figure 1. FIG. 1. The plot for the Kasner exponent [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. FIG. 2. The plot for the Kasner exponent [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. FIG. 3. Penrose diagram of the black hole spacetime perturbed by gravitational shock waves [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 11. Figure 11: FIG. 11. Plot of the butterfly velocity [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p026_11.png]
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Figure 14. Figure 14: FIG. 14. Plot of the scrambling time delay ∆ [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p028_14.png]
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