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Beyond Solving Math Quiz: Evaluating the Ability of Large Reasoning Models to Ask for Information

T0 review · 2 major / 2 minor · reviewed 2026-08-05 · deepseek-v4-flash

Pith's one-line read Large reasoning models that handle well-defined math problems ably nevertheless fail to ask for missing information when problems are underspecified, according to a new evaluation dataset, and the ability to ask is only partially learnable

desk verdict The abstract and the full text are different papers; the evaluation claim is unverifiable from what is submitted. read the letter →

arxiv 2508.11252 v1 pith:UMCJKFGF submitted 2025-08-15 cs.AI cs.CLcs.IR

classification cs.AIcs.CLcs.IR
keywords largereasoningmodelsclarifyingquestionsunderspecifiedproblemsproactiveinformationseekingbenchmarkdatasetsupervisedfine-tuningmathhallucination
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The reading

The paper tries to show that large reasoning models, despite their strength on fully specified math problems, do not proactively ask for clarification when a problem lacks necessary information. To test this, it introduces a new dataset of two types of incomplete problems across diverse contexts and evaluates current large reasoning models on them. The evaluation reveals a systematic inability to ask for information, along with observable behaviors of overthinking and hallucination. Supervised fine-tuning can induce some asking behavior but does not fully close the gap. If the paper is right, existing benchmarks overstate the readiness of these models for real-world requests, where information is often missing or ambiguous.

What carries the argument

The evaluation is carried by a new dataset of incomplete math problems, organized into two types of underspecification with diverse contexts. This dataset defines the target behavior: when a problem lacks sufficient information, the correct response is to ask for what is missing rather than to solve or guess. It turns the ability to ask for information into a measurable capability separate from problem-solving skill, and provides the basis for evaluating and fine-tuning large reasoning models.

What would settle it

Manually re-annotate the dataset to see whether a large share of problems can actually be solved under a reasonable assumption by human solvers; if so, the reported inability to ask would be a dataset artifact rather than a model deficiency. Alternatively, show one large reasoning model that, when explicitly instructed to ask for missing information, asks informative questions at a human-comparable rate on the same problems; that would confine the paper's inability claim to a particular prompting or training regime.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

The central claim is that large reasoning models lack the ability to proactively ask for information when presented with problems that do not contain sufficient information to be solved. The paper grounds this claim in a new dataset of two types of incomplete problems with diverse contexts. On this evaluation, the models tend to answer, guess, or reason from unstated assumptions rather than request the missing details, and their responses exhibit overthinking and hallucination. The paper also reports that supervised fine-tuning on such incomplete problems can improve asking behavior to a degree, but the ability remains incomplete. This positions 'asking for information' as a distinct capabil

Load-bearing premise

The evaluation rests on the assumption that the incomplete problems are genuinely underspecified in the way real requests are, and that the scoring rubric recognizes useful clarifying questions rather than rewarding generic filler; the abstract reports no dataset statistics, rubric details, or human baseline, so this premise cannot be checked from the paper's own description.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Current benchmarks that use only well-defined problems overstate how ready large reasoning models are for real user requests, which are frequently incomplete or ambiguous.
  • Proactive asking can be treated as a separate, trainable capability rather than an automatic byproduct of strong reasoning.
  • Supervised fine-tuning on underspecified problems can produce some asking behavior, suggesting the ability is at least partially learnable with the right data.
  • Overthinking and hallucination are concrete failure modes that surface when models face underspecified problems, giving future work specific targets to measure and reduce.
  • Evaluation of intelligent agents should include tasks where the correct action is to request information, not merely to produce an answer.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • A natural next step would be to test whether asking behavior transfers across domains such as code generation, medical diagnosis, or customer support, or whether it remains confined to math word problems unless trained broadly.
  • If supervised fine-tuning only partially teaches asking, a plausible hypothesis is that reinforcement learning with a reward for informative clarifying questions, or an explicit ask-then-solve protocol, would yield larger gains than fine-tuning alone.
  • The reported hallucination behavior suggests a measurable extension: compare the frequency of fabricated constraints or invented assumptions before and after fine-tuning, to see whether asking training reduces hallucination or merely relocates it.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The submission consists of an abstract claiming a systematic evaluation of Large Reasoning Models (LRMs) on incomplete mathematics problems, followed by a full text that is actually a nuclear-structure paper, arXiv:2508.11251v2 [nucl-th], 'Low-lying level structures in 162Lu'. The abstract's central claim is that LRMs fail to proactively ask for information when problems lack sufficient information, and that this inability is revealed by a new dataset of two types of incomplete problems. The submitted body text contains no dataset description, no model list, no evaluation protocol, no metrics, no baseline, and no results related to LRMs. Consequently, the central empirical claim and the benchmark on which it rests are entirely unsupported in the submitted manuscript.

Significance. The high-level evaluation goal is timely and potentially important: if LRMs perform well on well-posed math problems but systematically fail to ask clarifying questions on underspecified problems, this would be a meaningful limitation for deployment and a useful benchmark contribution. However, the submitted text provides no methods or results that could support such a claim. No dataset, rubric, model, or evaluation artifact is present to assess. The significance of the claimed finding therefore cannot be evaluated beyond the abstract's assertion.

major comments (2)
  1. [Full Text / overall manuscript] The body of the manuscript is arXiv:2508.11251v2 [nucl-th], 'Low-lying level structures in 162Lu', which is a nuclear-structure study with no content on LRMs, incomplete math problems, dataset construction, or evaluation results. The abstract and the full text are from different papers. The load-bearing premise that a systematic evaluation was performed is therefore entirely unsupported in the submitted text. This is not a local typographical or formatting issue; the evidence for the central claim is absent.
  2. [Abstract] Even if the abstract is considered alone, it does not specify dataset size, model list, prompting protocol, evaluation metrics, or a human/expert baseline. The phrase 'our systematical evaluation of LRMs reveals their inability in proactively asking for information' cannot be checked without the underlying dataset and rubric. In particular, the ground truth for when asking is the correct behavior, and the criteria for what counts as a useful clarifying question, are undefined. Without these details, the reported inability could be an artifact of rubric design; the manuscript provides no way to rule this out.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Grammar and wording: 'we proposes' should be 'we propose'; 'systematical' is non-standard (use 'systematic'); 'responding users' requests' is unclear and should be rephrased, e.g., 'in responding to users' requests'.
  2. [Header/Abstract] The arXiv identifier in the abstract context (2508.11252) does not match the header of the supplied full text (arXiv:2508.11251v2 [nucl-th]). This mismatch is consistent with the wrong full text being attached.

Circularity Check

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No circularity demonstrable; supplied full text is an unrelated nuclear-physics paper, so the abstract's AI-evaluation claim has no derivation chain to inspect.

full rationale

The manuscript as submitted contains an abstract about Large Reasoning Models failing to ask for missing information, but the full text is an unrelated nuclear-structure paper, 'Low-lying level structures in 162Lu' (arXiv:2508.11251v2). There is no dataset, no rubric, no LRM evaluation, and no result connecting the abstract's central claim to any computation in the full text. That is an absence of support, not a demonstrated circularity: no equation, fitted parameter, or self-citation in the supplied text reduces the claimed 'inability to ask' to the authors' own operationalization, so the quote-and-reduction requirement cannot be met. The nuclear-physics content itself is a non-circular empirical application of the well-tested Two Quasiparticle Rotor Model: it takes experimental 1qp proton/neutron energies from neighboring isotopes/isotones as inputs (Eq. 1) and produces new assignments for 162Lu, including the 1.9 min isomer (Jπ=6+, Ex≈160 keV), which is not present in the adopted data and is explicitly flagged as requiring further experimental validation. The confirmations of the tentative (4−) isomer and the 166Lu/168Lu comparisons are validations against external adopted data rather than by-construction equivalences; the adopted values are not used as outputs of the same fit. Under the hard rule prohibiting speculation about author intent and requiring a specific quoted reduction, no circular step can be identified in the supplied text.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The abstract reveals no fitted numbers, so the free-parameter ledger is empty. The load-bearing premises are domain assumptions about what intelligent behavior requires, about the dataset's validity as a test of underspecification, about the benchmark landscape, about contamination, and about supervised fine-tuning as a learnability probe. No new physical or conceptual entities are postulated; the dataset is a measurement instrument, not an entity in the ledger sense. All five assumptions are unverifiable from the abstract alone.

assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption A genuine intelligent agent should ask for information when problems lack it, and this is a separately evaluable ability.
    Quoted in the abstract ('a genuine intelligent agent should not only solve problems... but also be able to ask for information'); it is the value premise that makes question-asking the benchmark's target behavior.
  • domain assumption The proposed dataset is a valid operationalization of incomplete problems with diverse contexts.
    Abstract says 'a new dataset consisting of two types of incomplete problems with diverse contexts'; whether these categories capture genuine under-specification is assumed, not demonstrated in the abstract.
  • domain assumption Existing benchmarks evaluate exclusively well-defined problems, so a gap exists.
    Abstract's opening claim ('evaluation... exclusively on well-defined problems'); the paper's motivation depends on this characterization of the benchmark landscape, which the abstract supports with no citations.
  • domain assumption The evaluated LRMs had no prior exposure to the new benchmark (no contamination).
    Every fresh-benchmark evaluation assumes the test items were not in pretraining data; the abstract does not mention any contamination check.
  • domain assumption Supervised fine-tuning is an appropriate probe for whether the question-asking ability can be learned.
    Abstract: 'highlight the potential and challenges of supervised fine-tuning in learning such ability'; the interpretation of the SFT results depends on this, and the details are absent.

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  title        = {Pith review of: Beyond Solving Math Quiz: Evaluating the Ability of Large Reasoning Models to Ask for Information},
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Large Reasoning Models (LRMs) have demonstrated remarkable problem-solving abilities in mathematics, as evaluated by existing benchmarks exclusively on well-defined problems. However, such evaluation setup constitutes a critical gap, since a genuine intelligent agent should not only solve problems (as a math quiz solver), but also be able~to ask for information when the problems lack sufficient information, enabling proactivity in responding users' requests. To bridge such gap, we proposes a new dataset consisting of two types of incomplete problems with diverse contexts. Based on the dataset, our systematical evaluation of LRMs reveals their inability in proactively asking for information. In addition, we uncover the behaviors related to overthinking and hallucination of LRMs, and highlight the potential and challenges of supervised fine-tuning in learning such ability. We hope to provide new insights in developing LRMs with genuine intelligence, rather than just solving problems.

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