arxiv: 2511.17691 · v1 · submitted 2025-11-21 · ⚛️ physics.hist-ph · gr-qc· hep-th

Quantum Spacetime: Echoes of basho

Fedele Lizzi This is my paper

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keywords quantum gravitynoncommutative geometrybashoNishida Kitaroquantum spacetimepoints in geometry

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Classical points dissolve into a basho-like structure in quantum spacetime.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper seeks to show that quantum gravity requires rethinking the primitive notion of a point, replacing classical fixed locations with structures from noncommutative geometry. It identifies several parallels between this transformed notion of locality and Nishida Kitaro's concept of basho. A reader would care because the parallel offers a philosophical lens on why points must blur or vanish when gravity is quantized. The argument stays at the level of conceptual similarity rather than formal proof.

Core claim

A quantum spacetime requires rethinking geometry from its primitive concepts such as the point. The local vision of what becomes of classical points in quantum gravity, and in particular in noncommutative geometry, shows several similarities with Nishida's basho.

What carries the argument

Nishida's basho, understood as a dynamic locus or place without fixed boundaries in which entities arise and relate.

If this is right

Quantum gravity must treat points as non-local or relational rather than as fixed coordinates.
Noncommutative geometry supplies a concrete mathematical setting where basho-like features appear naturally.
Insights from Eastern philosophy can inform the foundational questions of what replaces classical spacetime.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

If the parallel holds, it may suggest new ways to interpret the emergence of classical geometry from a quantum substrate.
The approach could be tested by checking whether specific noncommutative models reproduce features explicitly described in basho literature.

Load-bearing premise

The philosophical concept of basho can be mapped onto the structures of noncommutative geometry and quantum spacetime without major loss of its original meaning.

What would settle it

A side-by-side examination that finds no substantive structural parallels between basho and the way points are replaced in noncommutative spacetime models would undermine the claimed insight.

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read the original abstract

I will discuss how the concept of basho, introduced by Nishida Kitaro nearly a century ago, can give an interesting insight to understand the concept of a point in modern quantum gravity. A quantum spacetime, necessary for the quantization of gravity, requires a whole rethinking of geometry, starting from the primitive concepts, like that of a point. I argue that the local vision of what becomes of classical points in quantum gravity, and in particular in noncommutative geometry, shows several similarities with Nishida's basho.

Editorial analysis

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This paper proposes a fresh but high-level philosophical analogy between Nishida's basho and the reconception of points in noncommutative quantum spacetime.

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The main takeaway is that Lizzi connects Nishida Kitaro's basho to how points dissolve or get restructured in quantum gravity, with a focus on noncommutative geometry. It is an interpretive suggestion, not a derivation or prediction. The specific tie to basho looks new and is not a standard move in the quantum gravity literature. The paper does a clear job recalling why classical points fail under quantization and sketching the basic idea of basho, which sets up the parallel without unnecessary jargon. That part is straightforward and gives the reader enough background to follow the suggestion. The softer aspect is the level of detail in the comparison itself. The similarities are noted at a general conceptual level without walking through concrete mappings, specific mathematical features of noncommutative points, or places where the analogy might stretch or break. There are no equations, worked examples, or direct engagements with particular results from the noncommutative geometry literature that would let someone check the fit more rigorously. This is not a flaw in execution so much as a limit of the essay format. The work is aimed at readers who already care about the philosophical side of quantum spacetime and the history of geometric ideas. Someone looking for new technical tools or falsifiable claims will not find them here. It shows coherent thinking and honest engagement with the ideas it draws on, so it is worth sending to peer review in a journal that handles philosophy of physics or foundations work rather than desk-rejecting it outright.

Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The paper claims that Nishida Kitaro's concept of basho offers insights into the rethinking of classical points in quantum spacetime, arguing that the treatment of points in quantum gravity—particularly noncommutative geometry—exhibits several conceptual similarities with basho.

Significance. If the interpretive parallels are substantiated, the work could contribute to interdisciplinary dialogue by suggesting a non-dualistic philosophical lens for foundational issues in quantum gravity. It highlights the need to revisit geometric primitives but its impact is limited by the absence of detailed mappings, reducing its ability to generate falsifiable or technically actionable insights.

major comments (2)

[Abstract] Abstract: The central claim that the local vision of classical points in quantum gravity 'shows several similarities' with basho is asserted without any explicit comparison, derivation, or concrete examples linking specific features of basho (e.g., its topological or non-dual character) to structures in noncommutative geometry such as spectral triples or deformed algebras.
[Main argument] Main text: The argument relies on external philosophical and physical literature for the claimed parallels rather than defining or reducing the similarities to self-contained structures or quantities internal to the manuscript, making the mapping vulnerable to distortion as per the weakest assumption in the reader's assessment.

minor comments (1)

The manuscript would benefit from explicit section headings distinguishing the summary of Nishida's philosophy from the discussion of noncommutative geometry to improve readability.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their thoughtful review and valuable feedback on our manuscript exploring the conceptual parallels between Nishida's basho and quantum spacetime in noncommutative geometry. We address each major comment below and indicate where revisions will be made to strengthen the presentation.

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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The central claim that the local vision of classical points in quantum gravity 'shows several similarities' with basho is asserted without any explicit comparison, derivation, or concrete examples linking specific features of basho (e.g., its topological or non-dual character) to structures in noncommutative geometry such as spectral triples or deformed algebras.

Authors: We agree that the abstract could benefit from more explicit linkage to make the central claim clearer upon first reading. In the body of the paper, we discuss how basho's non-dualistic 'place' resonates with the replacement of points by spectral triples, where the geometry is encoded in operators rather than isolated locations, and the topological aspects align with deformed algebras that blur classical distinctions. To address this directly, we will revise the abstract to briefly note these key similarities, such as the non-dual character corresponding to the holistic treatment in noncommutative spaces. This revision will be incorporated in the next version. revision: yes
Referee: [Main argument] Main text: The argument relies on external philosophical and physical literature for the claimed parallels rather than defining or reducing the similarities to self-contained structures or quantities internal to the manuscript, making the mapping vulnerable to distortion as per the weakest assumption in the reader's assessment.

Authors: The manuscript is a conceptual and philosophical exploration rather than a technical derivation, so it naturally draws on established interpretations from the literature on Nishida's basho and on noncommutative geometry (e.g., Connes' work). However, we recognize the value in making the mappings more self-contained to reduce potential for misinterpretation. We will add explicit definitions of relevant basho features, such as its logic of place and non-duality, and directly juxtapose them with specific structures like the use of algebras over points in quantum spacetime. This will be done without introducing new technical results but by clarifying the internal logic of the argument. We partially agree with the concern and will revise accordingly. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity in interpretive philosophical argument

full rationale

The paper is a philosophical essay that proposes interpretive similarities between Nishida's basho and the treatment of points in quantum gravity, especially noncommutative geometry. It contains no mathematical derivations, equations, predictions, fitted parameters, or self-referential definitions. The central claim draws on external philosophical and physical literature for support rather than reducing any result to inputs by construction or via load-bearing self-citations. No steps qualify as circular under the enumerated patterns.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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The central claim rests on interpretive analogy rather than formal derivation. No free parameters are introduced. The paper assumes familiarity with standard concepts in noncommutative geometry and quantum gravity as background.

axioms (1)

domain assumption Concepts from noncommutative geometry and quantum gravity are taken as established background.
The discussion builds directly on these without re-deriving them.

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the local vision of what becomes of classical points in quantum gravity, and in particular in noncommutative geometry, shows several similarities with Nishida's basho

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