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The paper argues that LHCb's forward VELO detector can discover quirks — heavy particles joined by a hidden-flux-tube string — in the Λ∼1000 eV region that central LHC detectors cannot reach.
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load-bearing objection A credible, well-scoped proposal, but the headline reach rests on a background-free assumption that is argued qualitatively, not demonstrated—cite it as a proposal, not as an existing constraint. the 3 major comments →
Searching for Quirks at LHCb
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Quirks are heavy particles charged under both the Standard Model and a new confining force; when produced as a pair they are connected by a flux tube whose tension pulls them back after they separate. The paper's central claim is that this string-like dynamics, combined with the forward boost at LHCb, produces a distinctive experimental signature: back-to-back, planar hits in successive VELO stations with little transverse recoil, unlike any Standard Model track. Using a toy simulation of the VELO geometry with ~10 µm hit resolution, the authors show that requiring at least five consecutive modules with nearly opposite azimuthal hits and small radial separation selects quirk events with high
What carries the argument
The load-bearing experimental object is the VELO, LHCb's vertex detector: 52 pixel modules arranged along the beam pipe with ~10 µm single-hit resolution and no magnetic field, so quirk trajectories between string oscillations are straight. The search selection is a topological hit-pairing algorithm: pair hits in opposite modules, require azimuthal difference near 180°, radial difference below 5 mm, planarity across modules, and at least five consecutive stations containing such pairs. The enabling mechanism is LHCb's fully software-based trigger, which buffers full event information and allows an offline ML-based tracker to reconstruct quirk trajectories and suppress Standard Model backgrou
Load-bearing premise
The projected exclusion contours rest on the assumption, stated in Sections 5 and 6, that after the hit-pair selection and a proposed offline ML filter the background is effectively zero, and that a dedicated quirk trigger will exist in 2026; if either fails, the Λ∼1000 eV reach disappears.
What would settle it
Run a background-only VELO simulation of inelastic proton–proton collisions through the same hit-generation and selection code, requiring at least five consecutive stations with back-to-back planar hits, azimuthal difference near 180°, and radial difference below 5 mm, plus an ML filter modeled on real LHCb data. If that rate exceeds a few events per 10 fb⁻¹, the background-free assumption underlying the 95% CL contours is falsified.
If this is right
- If the background-free assumption holds, LHCb's 2026 dataset (10 fb⁻¹) alone would set the first dedicated constraints on quirks with hidden-confinement scales near 1000 eV, a region existing central-detector searches leave essentially open.
- Because the selection does not rely on initial-state radiation, LHCb can collect quirk pairs produced with little transverse recoil — events that standard central-detector triggers discard.
- A successful search would tie neutral naturalness and dark-matter models that predict quirks to a concrete discovery channel in the forward region.
- The same VELO hit-pair topology, once implemented as a trigger line, would remain usable through Run 4 and improve with the 4D timing of the future VELO upgrade.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Inference: the geometric selection is largely model-independent for any pair of long-lived charged particles moving on a plane through the beam axis, so the projected reach could be recast as a generic forward-region constraint on string-connected hidden-sector states, not only quirks.
- Inference: the strongest near-term test of this projection is empirical: before 2026, LHCb could inject simulated quirk hits into real VELO background events and measure how often the five-station selection survives, turning the assumed background-free hypothesis into a measured efficiency.
- Inference: if the offline ML tracker achieves the assumed discrimination, the same buffered-trigger architecture could extend LHCb's reach to other non-prompt, non-pointing exotic signatures, such as dark photons or axion-like particles decaying to collimated pairs.
- Inference: the paper's assumption of 100% detection efficiency for charged quirks ignores energy loss and stopping; a dedicated simulation of ionization and hadronic interactions would likely soften the projected contours at low Λ, where quirks oscillate over longer distances.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes a search for quirks at LHCb using the VELO vertex detector. Quirk pairs in the forward region are expected to produce back-to-back, planar hit patterns across multiple VELO stations. The authors simulate quirk trajectories with a standalone toy model of the VELO geometry, apply geometric selections (≥5 stations with back-to-back hits, small Δr and Δφ), assume a background-free selection, and derive 95% CL sensitivity projections for 10 fb^-1 (2026) and 300 fb^-1 (HL-LHC) using the Feldman-Cousins method. The central claim is that LHCb can probe quirk parameter space, especially around Λ ~ 1000 eV, that is inaccessible to existing ATLAS and CMS searches.
Significance. If the background-free assumption and the simplified efficiency model are validated, the proposed search would provide a genuinely novel forward-region probe of quirk parameter space, complementary to central-detector searches. The paper introduces a concrete geometric signature and a clear projection framework, grounded in the LHCb trigger architecture. It also discusses data-driven control channels for material backgrounds. However, the central numerical claim of 'unprecedented sensitivity' depends on at least two load-bearing assumptions that are asserted rather than demonstrated: the background is reduced to negligible levels, and the 100% detection efficiency for charged quirks. The paper would benefit from quantitative background estimates and a robustness study of the sensitivity contours against these assumptions.
major comments (3)
- [Section 5 and Section 6, Fig. 2] The sensitivity contours are computed with the Feldman-Cousins method under a background-free hypothesis, but the background study is qualitative: 'only a handful of candidates survive' with no event counts, no ML performance metrics, no trigger-rate estimates, and no scaling to 10 or 300 fb^-1. Because the zero-background limit is a direct input to Figure 2, any residual background shifts the projected reach. The paper itself acknowledges in the conclusions that 'further studies will be necessary to fully validate the background-free hypothesis.' Please quantify the expected background yield after the full selection and show the sensitivity for, e.g., 1 or 3 expected background events, or otherwise demonstrate that the background is below the O(0.1) level.
- [Section 6] The signal yield uses 'a simplified assumption of 100% detection efficiency for quirks with electric charge QE = ±1, regardless of their mass.' No energy loss, multiple scattering, charge misidentification, or tracking efficiency is modeled. Since this efficiency multiplies the signal linearly, and the 30% charged-hadronisation fraction from Ref. [13] is taken without uncertainty, the absolute normalization of the sensitivity contours in Figure 2 is not robust. Please provide a detector-efficiency map as a function of (m_Q, Λ) or show the sensitivity band corresponding to a reasonable range of efficiencies (e.g., 50–100%).
- [Section 4] The near-term 2026 projection assumes 'we hypothesize that a trigger for quirks could be developed.' The LHCb software trigger has finite bandwidth, and no rate estimate for the proposed hit-level criteria is given. Without a trigger-rate estimate, the 10 fb^-1 sensitivity projection is not operationally grounded. The ultimate 300 fb^-1 projection is less affected, but the paper should state this assumption more cautiously and quantify the rate at which the proposed selection would pass the trigger.
minor comments (5)
- [Figure 2 caption] Typo: 'Bounds are showed' should be 'Bounds are shown.'
- [Section 5] Typo: 'inconsecutive VELO stations' should be 'in consecutive VELO stations.'
- [Section 4] The selection criteria (Δr < 5 mm, Δφ near 180°, ≥5 stations) are described in prose but not collected in a table. A summary table would improve reproducibility.
- [Section 4] The 'standalone code' is not provided. For a projection paper, this is acceptable, but a short appendix with the simulation parameters or a link to the code would make the study reproducible.
- [References] Reference [19] has a spacing issue ('F ASER2'); also the arXiv number format for the paper itself is unusual but likely reflects the submission system.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the LHCb sensitivity projections are conditional consequences of explicitly stated inputs (external quirk dynamics, assumed 30% charged hadronisation fraction, and an assumed background-free hypothesis), not quantities derived from themselves.
full rationale
The paper's derivation chain is: take the quirk flux-tube dynamics and benchmark from external literature (refs [12,13]); simulate hits in the VELO geometry; apply geometric selections to get efficiencies; multiply by luminosity, cross-section, and the assumed 30% charged-hadronisation fraction; then set Feldman-Cousins 95% CL limits with zero background. Each of these ingredients is stated as an input or taken from an external, published benchmark. No parameter is fitted to data and then renamed a prediction, and there is no equation in which an output quantity is defined in terms of itself. The background-free hypothesis is asserted in Section 5 ('we assume a background-free hypothesis') and used in Section 6, but the paper explicitly labels it as an assumption to be validated ('further studies will be necessary to fully validate the background-free hypothesis'). If that assumption fails, the reach would shrink, but that is an unvalidated assumption or correctness risk, not circularity. The 100% detection efficiency and the hypothesized 2026 trigger are likewise explicit assumptions rather than disguised outputs. The self-citations (e.g., refs [4], [12], [17]) are published external results and are not used as uniqueness theorems or as unverified ansätze that carry the derivation. The central claim is therefore a conditional projection, not a circular derivation.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (5)
- Charged hadronisation fraction =
0.3
- Quirk detection efficiency =
1.0
- Minimum VELO stations with paired hits =
5
- Radial difference cut Δr =
< 5 mm
- Azimuthal difference cut Δφ =
≈ 180°
axioms (5)
- domain assumption Quirk flux-tube dynamics (string tension pulls pair back at separation ℓ ~ m_Q/Λ²)
- domain assumption No SM-charged states below Λ, so the flux tube does not break by light pair production
- domain assumption Confining group SU(N_c) with N_c=2
- domain assumption VELO geometry and 10 μm single-hit resolution as publicly described
- ad hoc to paper 100% detection efficiency for charged quirks regardless of mass
read the original abstract
Quirks are heavy particles connected by a flux tube from a hidden confining force that remain weakly constrained in large regions of their parameter space. This flux tube acts as a string that, at short enough distance, stretches as the quirk pair separates, then pulls the pair back together leading to interesting dynamics. We propose a novel search using the LHCb Vertex Locator (VELO), whose forward geometry and software-based trigger are uniquely suited to detecting the characteristic back-to-back, planar hit patterns produced by quirk pairs with little transverse recoil. Using detailed simulations of the VELO geometry, together with simple geometric selections, we present different sensitivity projections, demonstrating that LHCb can probe parameter regions inaccessible to existing ATLAS and CMS searches and offering a powerful, complementary path toward discovering quirks.
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First Search for Quirks at the LHC with FASER
FASER's first search for quirks found no candidates and excluded quirk masses up to ~179 GeV for infracolor confinement scales between 300 eV and 100 keV.
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