arxiv: 2604.09716 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-08 · 💻 cs.CV · cs.AI

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Training Deep Visual Networks Beyond Loss and Accuracy Through a Dynamical Systems Approach

Hai La Quang , Hassan Ugail , Newton Howard , Cong Tran Tien , Nam Vu Hoai , Hung Nguyen Viet

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keywords deep learningtraining dynamicsdynamical systemslayer activationsmetastabilitycomputer visionCIFAR-10CIFAR-100

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Dynamical systems measures from layer activations reveal training dynamics beyond loss and accuracy in deep visual networks.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper introduces a dynamical systems approach to analyze training in deep visual networks by deriving integration, metastability, and stability measures from layer activations collected over epochs. These measures are tested on nine architecture-dataset pairs using CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100, showing that integration distinguishes task difficulty, stability volatility may indicate early convergence, and the integration-metastability link reflects training styles. This matters because loss and accuracy alone do not reveal how internal representations coordinate or change during the process. The framework adapts signal analysis methods from biological neural studies to artificial networks.

Core claim

Drawing on dynamical systems ideas, we define three measures from layer activations: integration reflecting long-range coordination across layers, metastability capturing shifts between synchronized states, and a combined stability index. Applied to ResNet variants, DenseNet, MobileNetV2, VGG-16, and Vision Transformer on CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100, the results indicate that integration separates easier from harder datasets, volatility in stability may signal convergence before accuracy plateaus, and the relationship between integration and metastability corresponds to different training behaviors.

What carries the argument

The integration score, metastability score, and dynamical stability index computed from layer activations using techniques from signal analysis.

If this is right

The integration measure can distinguish training on easier versus more difficult datasets consistently.
Volatility changes in the stability index may serve as an early indicator of convergence.
The interplay between integration and metastability can characterize different styles of training behavior.
These measures offer a complementary view to loss and accuracy for monitoring deep network optimization.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

If validated further, these measures could guide adaptive training strategies by monitoring internal dynamics in real time.
Extending the analysis to other domains like reinforcement learning or natural language processing might uncover similar or different patterns in how networks learn.
Comparing these dynamical measures across more diverse architectures could help identify which design choices promote stable or metastable training behaviors.

Load-bearing premise

The newly defined integration, metastability, and stability measures from layer activations provide information about training dynamics that is distinct from and additive to loss and accuracy curves.

What would settle it

Observing no difference in integration scores between CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100 trainings, or no predictive power of stability volatility for convergence timing in additional experiments, would falsify the usefulness of these measures.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2604.09716 by Cong Tran Tien, Hai La Quang, Hassan Ugail, Hung Nguyen Viet, Nam Vu Hoai, Newton Howard.

**Figure 1.** Figure 1: Ψ volatility σΨ (rolling standard deviation, window = 5 epochs) across training for all models. Filled circle marks the epoch of minimum volatility. The dashed line denotes the candidate convergence threshold σΨ = 0.30. Green shading indicates the convergence zone. CIFAR-10 architectures appear in the top row and CIFAR-100 architectures appear in the bottom row. Dataset tags and state labels are shown in e… view at source ↗

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Deep visual recognition models are usually trained and evaluated using metrics such as loss and accuracy. While these measures show whether a model is improving, they reveal very little about how its internal representations change during training. This paper introduces a complementary way to study that process by examining training through the lens of dynamical systems. Drawing on ideas from signal analysis originally used to study biological neural activity, we define three measures from layer activations collected across training epochs: an integration score that reflects long-range coordination across layers, a metastability score that captures how flexibly the network shifts between more and less synchronised states, and a combined dynamical stability index. We apply this framework to nine combinations of model architecture and dataset, including several ResNet variants, DenseNet-121, MobileNetV2, VGG-16, and a pretrained Vision Transformer on CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100. The results suggest three main patterns. First, the integration measure consistently distinguishes the easier CIFAR-10 setting from the more difficult CIFAR-100 setting. Second, changes in the volatility of the stability index may provide an early sign of convergence before accuracy fully plateaus. Third, the relationship between integration and metastability appears to reflect different styles of training behaviour. Overall, this study offers an exploratory but promising new way to understand deep visual training beyond loss and accuracy.

Editorial analysis

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The paper defines three new activation-based scores for training dynamics but provides no evidence they add information beyond loss and accuracy curves.

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The main takeaway is that the authors adapt signal-analysis ideas to define an integration score, a metastability score, and a dynamical stability index from layer activations collected over training epochs. They run this on nine architecture-dataset combinations covering ResNet variants, DenseNet-121, MobileNetV2, VGG-16, and a Vision Transformer on CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100, and they report three patterns: the integration score separates the easier from the harder dataset, volatility in the stability index may hint at convergence before accuracy plateaus, and the integration-metastability relationship varies with training style. That is the actual novelty—specific measures constructed this way have not been used before in this context. The multi-model coverage gives the observations some consistency that pure single-run work would lack. The definitions themselves appear direct and reproducible from the activation tensors, which is a plus for an exploratory piece. The soft spots are straightforward. No error bars, no statistical tests, and no ablation of how the scores are computed from the raw activations. More critically, the central claim that these measures are complementary rests on the observed patterns alone; the manuscript shows no correlations, mutual information, or controlled regressions against loss and accuracy trajectories. Without that, it is impossible to tell whether the new scores capture distinct dynamics or simply restate information already visible in the standard curves. The work is for people already interested in alternative monitoring tools or dynamical-systems views of networks. A reader looking for validated new metrics or strong incremental evidence will find it thin. It deserves peer review because the idea is clean and the experimental scope is reasonable for an initial study; referees can push for the missing controls and direct comparisons that would make the complementarity claim testable.

Referee Report

3 major / 1 minor

Summary. The paper introduces three dynamical systems-inspired measures derived from layer activations—an integration score reflecting long-range coordination across layers, a metastability score capturing shifts between synchronized states, and a combined dynamical stability index—and applies them to nine architecture-dataset combinations (ResNet variants, DenseNet-121, MobileNetV2, VGG-16, and a pretrained Vision Transformer on CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100). It reports three exploratory patterns: the integration measure distinguishes easier (CIFAR-10) from harder (CIFAR-100) settings, volatility in the stability index may signal convergence before accuracy plateaus, and the integration-metastability relationship reflects different training behaviors. The work positions these as complementary to loss and accuracy for understanding internal representation changes.

Significance. If the measures can be shown to capture dynamics independent of and additive to loss/accuracy (via correlations, mutual information, or regression ablations), the framework could offer a useful new lens for diagnosing training trajectories and comparing architectures in computer vision. The consistent patterns across multiple models and datasets are a strength, but the absence of statistical controls, error bars, or validation of non-redundancy limits the current significance to exploratory observations rather than a robust methodological advance.

major comments (3)

[Abstract] Abstract and results: The central claim that the integration, metastability, and stability measures provide information 'beyond loss and accuracy' is load-bearing but unsupported; no Pearson/Spearman correlations, mutual information values, or ablation regressions are reported to demonstrate that the new metrics explain additional variance in convergence, generalization, or trajectory shape once loss/accuracy are controlled for.
[Results] Results (patterns across nine combinations): The reported patterns lack error bars, statistical significance tests, or controls for multiple comparisons, and the measure definitions receive no ablation (e.g., sensitivity to window size or normalization choices in activation collection), undermining claims of consistent distinction between CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100 or early convergence signals.
[Methods] Methods: The integration, metastability, and stability index are defined directly from collected activations and applied to observed trajectories without reduction to fitted parameters or self-referential equations, leaving open whether they are circular or redundant with standard training curves.

minor comments (1)

[Abstract] The abstract and conclusion could more explicitly state the exploratory nature and limitations of the current evidence base.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive and detailed review. We appreciate the acknowledgment of the consistent patterns observed across multiple architectures and datasets. We agree that the manuscript would benefit from additional quantitative analyses to support the claims of complementarity to loss and accuracy, as well as greater statistical rigor. We address each major comment below and outline the corresponding revisions.

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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and results: The central claim that the integration, metastability, and stability measures provide information 'beyond loss and accuracy' is load-bearing but unsupported; no Pearson/Spearman correlations, mutual information values, or ablation regressions are reported to demonstrate that the new metrics explain additional variance in convergence, generalization, or trajectory shape once loss/accuracy are controlled for.

Authors: We acknowledge that the abstract positions the measures as providing information beyond loss and accuracy, yet we did not include explicit correlation or regression analyses to quantify this. The observed patterns (e.g., integration distinguishing CIFAR-10 from CIFAR-100) are suggestive but observational. In the revision we will add Pearson and Spearman correlations between each dynamical measure and both loss and accuracy across all training trajectories. We will also include linear regression ablations predicting convergence timing and final accuracy using loss/accuracy alone versus augmented with the new measures, reporting the increase in explained variance (R²). revision: yes
Referee: [Results] Results (patterns across nine combinations): The reported patterns lack error bars, statistical significance tests, or controls for multiple comparisons, and the measure definitions receive no ablation (e.g., sensitivity to window size or normalization choices in activation collection), undermining claims of consistent distinction between CIFAR-10 and CIFAR-100 or early convergence signals.

Authors: We agree that the exploratory results would be strengthened by error bars, significance testing, and parameter sensitivity analysis. The current patterns derive from single runs per architecture–dataset pair. In the revised version we will repeat key experiments with 3–5 random seeds, report standard deviation error bars on all measures, and apply appropriate statistical tests (e.g., paired t-tests or Wilcoxon rank-sum tests) for the CIFAR-10 vs. CIFAR-100 integration differences, with correction for multiple comparisons. We will also add an ablation subsection examining sensitivity of the measures to activation window size and normalization choices. revision: yes
Referee: [Methods] Methods: The integration, metastability, and stability index are defined directly from collected activations and applied to observed trajectories without reduction to fitted parameters or self-referential equations, leaving open whether they are circular or redundant with standard training curves.

Authors: The measures are intentionally computed directly from activation trajectories using dynamical-systems concepts (long-range coordination for integration, state-transition flexibility for metastability) drawn from neuroscience signal-analysis literature; they are not model parameters fitted to the data. To address concerns of circularity or redundancy we will expand the Methods and Results sections with explicit side-by-side plots demonstrating that stability-index volatility precedes accuracy plateaus and is not a monotonic function of loss values. We will also add a brief discussion clarifying that the measures capture inter-layer coordination and state dynamics not encoded in scalar loss or accuracy. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity: measures defined directly from activations and applied observationally

full rationale

The paper defines the integration score, metastability score, and dynamical stability index directly from layer activations collected across training epochs, drawing on signal analysis concepts but without any equations that reduce these quantities to loss, accuracy, or fitted parameters by construction. The three observed patterns (CIFAR-10 vs. CIFAR-100 distinction, volatility as early convergence signal, and integration-metastability relationships) are presented as empirical observations on real training trajectories for multiple architectures and datasets. No self-citation chains, uniqueness theorems, ansatzes smuggled via prior work, or renamings of known results are invoked as load-bearing steps in the derivation. The framework is self-contained: the measures are constructed independently of the target patterns and then applied to data, with no reduction of the reported findings to the inputs by definition.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 3 invented entities

Abstract introduces three new derived measures without listing free parameters, background axioms, or external entities; the measures rest on the domain assumption that activation statistics can be meaningfully interpreted through dynamical-systems lenses.

invented entities (3)

integration score no independent evidence
purpose: quantifies long-range coordination across layers from activations
Newly defined construct; no independent evidence supplied in abstract.
metastability score no independent evidence
purpose: captures flexibility in shifting between synchronized states
Newly defined construct; no independent evidence supplied in abstract.
dynamical stability index no independent evidence
purpose: combined index of training stability
Derived from the two preceding scores; no independent evidence supplied in abstract.

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