Spinodal-like scaling behavior after a temperature quench across the first-order phase transition in three-dimensional q-state Potts models
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The pith
Quenching 3D q-state Potts models across a first-order transition produces spinodal-like scaling in energy density with exponentially growing timescales.
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Core claim
If the nucleation of smooth droplets is the relevant mechanism of the post-quench phase change for sufficiently small β_fo−β_i>0, the time-dependent energy density scales in terms of ρ=(ln t)^{3/2}δ, where δ=β/β_fo−1, with a discontinuity at a particular value ρ=ρ_s>0. This implies the emergence of a spinodal-like behavior, whose time scale τ increases exponentially as ln τ≈(ρ_s/δ)^{2/3} in the limit δ→0⁺. Numerical analysis of the quench protocol in the 3D q=6 Potts model supports the above spinodal-like scenario.
What carries the argument
The scaling variable ρ = (ln t)^{3/2} δ with δ = β/β_fo − 1, which collapses energy-density trajectories and exposes a discontinuity under the assumption that smooth-droplet nucleation controls the dynamics.
Load-bearing premise
Nucleation of smooth droplets is the relevant mechanism of the post-quench phase change when the initial inverse temperature lies sufficiently close to the transition value.
What would settle it
Numerical data for the 3D q=6 Potts model at small positive δ showing that energy density plotted versus ρ fails to display a discontinuity at any positive ρ_s or that the effective relaxation time does not grow as (ρ_s/δ)^{2/3}.
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We study the out-of-equilibrium spinodal-like behavior of three-dimensional (3D) $q$-state Potts models (for $q\ge 3$), observed when the temperature is quenched across the first-order transition (FOT) point $\beta_{\rm fo}=T_{\rm fo}^{-1}$. We consider a standard quench protocol, in which high-temperature configurations, thermalized at $\beta_i<\beta_{\rm fo}$, are driven across the FOT by a purely relaxational dynamics at $\beta>\beta_{\rm fo}$. We focus on the emergence of spinodal-like behaviors in the thermodynamic limit, associated with the dynamic phase change. We argue that, if the nucleation of smooth droplets is the relevant mechanism of the post-quench phase change, for sufficiently small $\beta_{\rm fo}-\beta_i>0$, the time-dependent energy density should scale in terms of $\rho = (\ln t)^{3/2} \delta$, where $\delta = \beta/\beta_{\rm fo}-1$, with a discontinuity at a particular value $\rho=\rho_s>0$. This implies the emergence of a spinodal-like behavior, whose time scale $\tau$ increases exponentially as $\ln \tau \approx (\rho_s/\delta)^{2/3}$ in the limit $\delta\to 0^+$. We present a numerical analysis of the quench protocol in the 3D $q=6$ Potts model, which supports the above spinodal-like scenario.
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Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript examines out-of-equilibrium dynamics in three-dimensional q-state Potts models after a temperature quench across the first-order transition point β_fo. Under the assumption that nucleation of smooth droplets is the dominant mechanism for sufficiently small δ = β/β_fo − 1, it derives that the time-dependent energy density scales with the variable ρ = (ln t)^{3/2} δ and exhibits a discontinuity at a positive value ρ = ρ_s. This implies a spinodal-like relaxation time τ whose logarithm grows as (ρ_s/δ)^{2/3} when δ → 0^+. Numerical simulations for the q = 6 case are presented as supporting evidence for the scaling collapse and the associated time-scale divergence.
Significance. If the scaling form and the location of the discontinuity are confirmed in the asymptotic small-δ regime, the work supplies an explicit, testable prediction linking classical nucleation theory to effective spinodal behavior in lattice systems with discontinuous transitions. The derivation of the composite scaling variable ρ directly from the droplet free-energy barrier and the provision of Monte Carlo data for a concrete three-dimensional model are concrete strengths that could guide future studies of metastable decay.
major comments (2)
- Numerical analysis section: the support for the central scaling claim rests on data collapse of the energy density versus ρ for the q=6 model. The manuscript does not quantify how small the simulated δ values are relative to the nucleation barrier height (e.g., via estimates of critical droplet radius or barrier ΔF), leaving open whether the observed discontinuity at ρ_s is resolved in the true asymptotic regime or affected by finite-size rounding and crossover to other relaxation channels.
- Theoretical derivation (around the definition of ρ and ρ_s): ρ_s is introduced as the point of discontinuity in the scaling function. If ρ_s is determined from the same quench trajectories rather than from an independent equilibrium calculation of the nucleation rate, the predicted ln τ ≈ (ρ_s/δ)^{2/3} relation becomes partly a fit to the data rather than a parameter-free consequence of the nucleation assumption, weakening the predictive power of the central claim.
minor comments (2)
- Abstract and introduction: the phrase 'spinodal-like behavior' is used without a brief operational definition distinguishing it from mean-field spinodal decomposition; adding one sentence would improve clarity for readers outside the immediate subfield.
- Figure captions and methods: all collapse plots should explicitly list the δ values, lattice sizes, and number of independent runs so that the range of validity of the scaling can be assessed directly from the published figures.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading of our manuscript and for the constructive comments. We appreciate the positive evaluation of the significance of the work. We address the two major comments below and have revised the manuscript to incorporate additional analysis and clarifications.
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Referee: Numerical analysis section: the support for the central scaling claim rests on data collapse of the energy density versus ρ for the q=6 model. The manuscript does not quantify how small the simulated δ values are relative to the nucleation barrier height (e.g., via estimates of critical droplet radius or barrier ΔF), leaving open whether the observed discontinuity at ρ_s is resolved in the true asymptotic regime or affected by finite-size rounding and crossover to other relaxation channels.
Authors: We agree that explicit estimates of the nucleation barrier and critical droplet size are needed to confirm that the simulated δ values place the system in the asymptotic nucleation regime. In the revised manuscript we have added a new subsection in the numerical analysis that computes the barrier height ΔF and critical radius r_c for each simulated δ using classical nucleation theory, employing the known values of the latent heat and interface tension for the 3D q=6 Potts model. These estimates show that for the smallest δ, ΔF exceeds 30 k_B T while r_c remains much smaller than the linear system size L=64, indicating that finite-size rounding is negligible and that the observed discontinuity occurs in the nucleation-dominated regime. revision: yes
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Referee: Theoretical derivation (around the definition of ρ and ρ_s): ρ_s is introduced as the point of discontinuity in the scaling function. If ρ_s is determined from the same quench trajectories rather than from an independent equilibrium calculation of the nucleation rate, the predicted ln τ ≈ (ρ_s/δ)^{2/3} relation becomes partly a fit to the data rather than a parameter-free consequence of the nucleation assumption, weakening the predictive power of the central claim.
Authors: The functional form of the scaling variable ρ = (ln t)^{3/2} δ and the prediction of a discontinuity at some ρ_s > 0 follow directly from the theoretical assumption of nucleation with a barrier that diverges as 1/δ^2; these are parameter-free consequences of the derivation. The numerical value of ρ_s is extracted from the location of the jump in the collapsed data, which serves as a test of the predicted scaling rather than an input. The resulting expression for τ is then a direct consequence. We acknowledge that an independent equilibrium calculation of the nucleation rate would allow a fully parameter-free prediction of ρ_s. In the revised manuscript we have expanded the discussion section to clarify this distinction and to outline how future equilibrium Monte Carlo simulations could determine ρ_s independently. revision: partial
Circularity Check
Time-scale prediction reduces to fitted discontinuity location ρ_s from the same numerical quench data
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fitted input called prediction
[Abstract]
"We argue that, if the nucleation of smooth droplets is the relevant mechanism of the post-quench phase change, for sufficiently small β_fo−β_i>0, the time-dependent energy density should scale in terms of ρ = (ln t)^{3/2} δ, where δ = β/β_fo−1, with a discontinuity at a particular value ρ=ρ_s>0. This implies the emergence of a spinodal-like behavior, whose time scale τ increases exponentially as ln τ ≈ (ρ_s/δ)^{2/3} in the limit δ→0⁺."
The scaling function and its discontinuity location ρ_s are not derived from first principles; ρ_s is identified numerically from the quench simulations that are also used to test the collapse. Consequently the concrete prediction for the divergence of τ is a reparametrization of the same numerical input rather than an independent consequence.
full rationale
The paper derives the scaling form ρ=(ln t)^{3/2}δ and the implied ln τ≈(ρ_s/δ)^{2/3} conditionally on the smooth-droplet nucleation assumption. ρ_s is introduced as the (unspecified) location of the discontinuity in the scaling function. The numerical analysis for the 3D q=6 model is used both to support the scaling collapse and to locate the discontinuity, so that the specific exponential growth law for τ is effectively read off from the fitted/observed ρ_s rather than predicted independently. This matches the 'fitted input called prediction' pattern at moderate strength; the central claim remains conditional on the nucleation assumption and is not self-definitional or reduced by self-citation.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (1)
- ρ_s
axioms (1)
- domain assumption Nucleation of smooth droplets is the relevant mechanism of the post-quench phase change for sufficiently small β_fo−β_i>0
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echoesECHOES: this paper passage has the same mathematical shape or conceptual pattern as the Recognition theorem, but is not a direct formal dependency.
the relevant time scaling variable is expected to be ρ=(lnt)^κ δ, κ=d/(d-1)=3/2
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