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HOLISMOKES XXI: Detecting strongly lensed type Ia supernovae from time series of multi-band LSST-like imaging data -- Part II

Satadru Bag , Raoul Canameras , Sherry H. Suyu , Stefan Schuldt , Stefan Taubenberger , Irham Taufik Andika , Alejandra Melo , Ming Kei Chan
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A deep learning model using convolutional LSTM detects strongly lensed Type Ia supernovae from realistic multi-band time-series images, achieving approximately 60 percent true-positive rate at a false-positive rate of order 10 to the minus

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This paper extends a previous deep-learning approach for finding rare strongly lensed supernovae Ia in upcoming LSST data. It tests the model on more realistic simulations that include varying point-spread functions between epochs, variance corrections, and supernovae occurring in the foreground lens galaxy as contaminants. The core result is that the classifier still performs well, updating its classification as new observations arrive. Sympathetic readers would care because prompt detection is needed to trigger expensive follow-up observations that can measure time delays and study the lens system. The work shows the method is robust enough to handle real survey conditions.

Core claim

We extend the previous convolutional LSTM framework by constructing realistic image time series from HSC PDR3 observations, introducing epoch-to-epoch PSF variations with variance-map corrections, simulated lensed arcs, SN light-curve variations, Poisson noise, and foreground SN Ia contaminants. Despite these additions, the model reaches a true-positive rate of ~60% at a false-positive rate of O(10^{-4}) by the seventh observation and ~80% by the tenth. We also examine confusion with sibling SNe in LRGs and identify mimicking configurations.

What carries the argument

The convolutional LSTM architecture that processes multi-band, multi-epoch image cutouts to capture spatiotemporal correlations and update classifications with each new observation.

If this is right

  • The classifier supports real-time LSN searches in LSST alert streams.
  • Detection performance improves rapidly with additional epochs of observation.
  • Foreground lens-galaxy supernovae form an important false-positive class that must be distinguished.
  • Specific configurations of sibling supernovae can be used to improve model robustness.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The robustness suggests the model is ready for deployment on early LSST data without extensive additional tuning.
  • Similar time-series approaches could be tested for detecting other lensed transients such as core-collapse supernovae or quasars.
  • If the low false-positive rate holds on real data, it would greatly reduce the resources needed for spectroscopic follow-up of candidates.

Load-bearing premise

The HSC PDR3-based simulations with injected lensed arcs, SN light-curve variations, Poisson noise, and PSF variations sufficiently capture the statistical properties of real LSST observations and all relevant false-positive classes.

What would settle it

Comparing the model's receiver operating characteristic curves on actual LSST observations against the simulated performance curves would confirm or refute the reported true-positive and false-positive rates.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.05318 by Alejandra Melo, Irham Taufik Andika, Ming Kei Chan, Raoul Canameras, Satadru Bag, Sherry H. Suyu, Stefan Schuldt, Stefan Taubenberger.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Two representative examples of LSNe Ia are shown in the two rows using view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Time series of LSNe Ia illustrating the effect of varying PSF conditions across epochs. Three representative view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Two examples of SN Ia occurring in the foreground lens galaxy of a lensing system, representing the “SN in lenses” view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Receiver operating characteristic (ROC) curves for the multi-band classification results obtained from 14 observa view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Each panel shows FPR as a function of score threshold separately for different negative components. The four view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Comparison of model-predicted score distributions within the positive LSNe Ia class, split into systems with view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Distribution of model-predicted scores for LSNe Ia divided into three bins of offset between the SN and the host view at source ↗
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: ROC curves comparing classification performance view at source ↗
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Strong gravitationally lensed supernovae (LSNe) are rare but extremely valuable probes of cosmology and astrophysics. Prompt identification within the alert streams of time-domain surveys such as the Rubin Legacy Survey of Space and Time (LSST) is essential for timely follow-up observations. In our previous study, Bag et al. (2026), we introduced a deep-learning framework for detecting LSNe Ia directly from multi-band, multi-epoch image cutouts. The model employs a convolutional LSTM architecture to capture spatiotemporal correlations in time-series imaging data, enabling classification updates as new observations arrive. In this work, we extend that framework by incorporating greater realism into the simulations. In particular, we present a method to construct realistic image time series from single-epoch observations by introducing epoch-to-epoch point spread function variations with corresponding variance-map corrections. The dataset is based on HSC PDR3 observations and includes simulated lensed host-galaxy arcs, SN light-curve variations, and Poisson noise. We also introduce an additional negative class consisting of SN Ia occurring in the foreground lens galaxy, representing a challenging source of false positives. Despite these additional complexities, the model retains strong performance. The receiver operating characteristic improves rapidly during the first few observations, reaching a true-positive rate of $\sim60\%$ at a false-positive rate of $\mathcal{O}(10^{-4})$ by the seventh observation and $\sim80\%$ by the tenth. We also investigate potential confusion with sibling SNe occurring in LRGs and identify the configurations that best mimic lensed systems. These results demonstrate that the image-time-series approach remains robust under more realistic observing conditions, and is well suited for real-time LSN searches in LSST and other time-domain surveys.

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Referee Report

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Summary. This paper extends a prior convolutional LSTM framework for detecting strongly lensed Type Ia supernovae (LSNe Ia) from multi-band, multi-epoch image cutouts. It adds realism to HSC PDR3-based simulations by introducing epoch-to-epoch PSF variations with variance-map corrections, Poisson noise, simulated lensed host arcs, SN light-curve variations, and an extra negative class of foreground SN Ia in the lens galaxy. Despite these complexities, the model shows rapid improvement in ROC performance, reaching a true-positive rate of ~60% at a false-positive rate of O(10^{-4}) by the seventh observation and ~80% by the tenth, with additional analysis of confusion from sibling SNe in LRGs. The work concludes that the approach is robust and suitable for real-time LSST searches.

Significance. If the simulations prove representative, the results provide concrete evidence that a spatiotemporal deep-learning classifier can maintain useful detection efficiency under realistic multi-epoch conditions, which is valuable for prompt follow-up of rare LSNe Ia in LSST alert streams. The explicit addition of PSF variations, variance corrections, and a challenging foreground contaminant class strengthens the practical relevance beyond the earlier study.

major comments (1)
  1. [Abstract and dataset construction] The central performance claim (TPR ~60% at FPR O(10^{-4}) by epoch 7, ~80% by epoch 10) is obtained exclusively on a test set constructed from HSC PDR3 single-epoch images with added epoch-to-epoch PSF variations, variance-map corrections, Poisson noise, injected lensed arcs, SN light-curve variations, and foreground SN Ia contaminants. This construction implicitly assumes that the resulting statistical properties match those of real LSST difference imaging; unmodeled effects such as correlated read noise, filter-dependent depth variations, or additional variable-source classes (AGN, stellar flares) could alter the decision boundary. Because this assumption is load-bearing for the claim that the method is 'well suited for real-time LSN searches in LSST', a quantitative sensitivity test or direct comparison against more comprehensive LSST mocks is required.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract employs both ~ and mathcal{O} notation; ensure identical usage and explicit definitions appear in the main text and figure captions.
  2. [Methods] A table listing the exact simulation parameters (PSF variation model, noise levels, number of injected arcs, etc.) would improve reproducibility.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their careful and constructive review of our manuscript. The concern about the degree of realism in our simulations relative to full LSST difference imaging is valid, and we have revised the text to acknowledge limitations while preserving the core results.

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  1. Referee: The central performance claim (TPR ~60% at FPR O(10^{-4}) by epoch 7, ~80% by epoch 10) is obtained exclusively on a test set constructed from HSC PDR3 single-epoch images with added epoch-to-epoch PSF variations, variance-map corrections, Poisson noise, injected lensed arcs, SN light-curve variations, and foreground SN Ia contaminants. This construction implicitly assumes that the resulting statistical properties match those of real LSST difference imaging; unmodeled effects such as correlated read noise, filter-dependent depth variations, or additional variable-source classes (AGN, stellar flares) could alter the decision boundary. Because this assumption is load-bearing for the claim that the method is 'well suited for real-time LSN searches in LSST', a quantitative sensitivity test or direct comparison against more comprehensive LSST mocks is required.

    Authors: We agree that our simulations, although they incorporate PSF variations, variance-map corrections, Poisson noise, lensed host arcs, SN light-curve variations, and foreground SN Ia contaminants, do not capture every possible effect present in real LSST difference imaging. Unmodeled contributions such as correlated read noise, filter-dependent depth variations, and additional variable-source classes (e.g., AGN or stellar flares) could in principle shift the decision boundary. In the revised manuscript we have added a new subsection (Section 5.3) that explicitly discusses these limitations and qualitatively assesses their likely impact on classifier performance. We have also revised the abstract and concluding paragraph to replace the phrase 'well suited for real-time LSN searches in LSST' with the more cautious statement that the approach 'shows promise under LSST-like conditions and merits further validation with more complete simulations.' A quantitative sensitivity test or direct comparison against comprehensive LSST mocks would require generation or access to substantially more advanced mock datasets and is outside the scope of the present study; such work is planned for a follow-up investigation. revision: partial

standing simulated objections not resolved
  • Quantitative sensitivity tests to unmodeled effects (correlated read noise, AGN, stellar flares, filter-dependent depth variations) or direct comparison against full LSST mocks cannot be performed within the current revision.

Circularity Check

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Minor self-citation to prior architecture paper; new performance metrics computed on independently generated simulations with added realism

full rationale

The paper cites Bag et al. (2026) only to introduce the convolutional LSTM framework and then evaluates an extended version on a fresh set of HSC PDR3-based simulations that inject epoch-to-epoch PSF variations, variance-map corrections, Poisson noise, lensed arcs, SN light-curve variations, and foreground SN Ia contaminants. The reported TPR/FPR values (∼60 % at O(10^{-4}) by epoch 7, ∼80 % by epoch 10) are measured directly on this new test set and do not reduce to any fitted parameter or self-cited equation by construction. No self-definitional loops, fitted-input-as-prediction, or load-bearing uniqueness theorems appear in the derivation chain. The self-citation is therefore non-load-bearing and the overall circularity remains minimal.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

2 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central performance claims rest on the assumption that the HSC-based simulation pipeline faithfully reproduces LSST observing conditions and that the chosen negative class covers the dominant false-positive sources; the model itself contains many learned parameters whose values are determined by training on these simulations.

free parameters (2)
  • convLSTM architecture hyperparameters
    Network depth, filter sizes, learning rate, and training schedule are chosen and optimized on the simulated training set.
  • PSF variation model parameters
    Parameters controlling epoch-to-epoch PSF changes and variance-map corrections are introduced to match HSC data properties.
axioms (1)
  • domain assumption HSC PDR3 single-epoch images plus injected lensed arcs and SN light curves plus Poisson noise plus PSF variations statistically match future LSST observations
    All reported detection rates are measured on data generated under this assumption.

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