arxiv: 2605.14317 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-14 · 💻 cs.LG · physics.ao-ph

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Guided Diffusion Sampling for Precipitation Forecast Interventions

Ayumu Ueyama , Kazuhiko Kawamoto , Hiroshi Kera

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keywords diffusion modelsweather forecastingprecipitation interventiongradient guidancephysical plausibilityadversarial perturbationsWeatherBench2

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The pith

Gradient-guided diffusion sampling steers weather model trajectories to reduce extreme precipitation forecasts while preserving physical consistency.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper introduces a method that adjusts the sampling process inside diffusion-based weather forecasting models to lower predicted precipitation amounts. Rather than directly changing atmospheric input states, the approach uses gradients to guide the diffusion trajectory toward lower-rain outcomes that still align with the model's learned distribution of weather patterns. Experiments on extreme events from WeatherBench2 show the resulting interventions reduce precipitation effectively and score better on physical-plausibility checks than standard adversarial perturbations. The checks include how perturbations vary with height and variable, how far the path strays in latent space, and whether the changes transfer to other models. If the method works as claimed, it offers a route to explore weather-control ideas inside data-driven forecasts without immediately breaking known atmospheric relationships.

Core claim

The paper claims that steering the diffusion sampling trajectory with gradients produces precipitation-reduction interventions that remain consistent with the learned atmospheric distribution, thereby generating more physically plausible changes than direct adversarial perturbations, as measured by vertical and variable-wise perturbation profiles, latent-space trajectory deviation, and cross-model transferability on WeatherBench2 extreme precipitation cases.

What carries the argument

gradient-based guidance framework that steers the diffusion sampling trajectory inside diffusion-based weather forecasting models instead of perturbing input states directly

If this is right

Precipitation forecasts can be lowered by reshaping the generative sampling path rather than editing initial atmospheric fields.
The guided changes stay closer to the model's training distribution, reducing the chance of unphysical artifacts compared with adversarial attacks.
Physical plausibility can be verified through vertical profiles, latent deviation, and transfer across models.
The same guidance technique could be applied to other forecast variables or to increasing rather than reducing precipitation.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The approach might be tested on generative models other than diffusion to see whether trajectory steering generalizes beyond the diffusion setting.
If the interventions remain stable under real-time assimilation, they could supply plausible scenarios for studying societal impacts of hypothetical weather modification.
Operational forecasting centers could run controlled ablation studies that isolate how much of the reduction comes from the guidance signal versus the base model.

Load-bearing premise

Steering the diffusion sampling trajectory via gradients keeps the resulting states inside the physically plausible range of the model's learned atmospheric distribution.

What would settle it

Running the guided interventions through an independent physics-based numerical weather prediction model and finding that precipitation does not actually decrease or that dynamical instabilities appear more often than with adversarial perturbations.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.14317 by Ayumu Ueyama, Hiroshi Kera, Kazuhiko Kawamoto.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Qualitative evaluation of intervention effects. We compare the standard forecast, AOWF, and our [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Perturbation profiles of δ t+1, averaged over the dataset. Comparison of temperature and u and v components of wind. AOWF distributes perturbations across altitudes with the largest magnitudes appearing at upper levels for T and wind, where mesoscale extreme precipitation has limited dependence. In contrast, our method concentrates perturbations at the low-to-mid troposphere where extreme precipitation pri… view at source ↗

**Figure 4.** Figure 4: Illustration of the latent-space evaluation framework. Reanalysis, standard, and intervention [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_4.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: Evolution of latent-space RMSE and cosine similarity across sampling steps. The standard forecast [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_5.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 6.** Figure 6: This evaluation visualizes the latent trajectory leading to the control effect shown in Figure 2. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_6.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 7.** Figure 7: Qualitative evaluation of perturbation transferability to GraphCast. AOWF reduces precipitation [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_7.png] view at source ↗

read the original abstract

Extreme precipitation causes severe societal and economic damage, and weather control has long been discussed as a potential mitigation strategy. However, to the best of our knowledge, perturbation-based interventions for weather control using data-driven weather forecasting models have not yet been explored. While adversarial attacks also generate perturbations that alter forecasts, they aim to exploit model artifacts and do not account for physical plausibility. In this paper, we propose a gradient-based guidance framework for precipitation-reduction interventions through diffusion sampling in diffusion-based weather forecasting models. Instead of directly perturbing atmospheric states, our method steers the diffusion sampling trajectory, enabling precipitation reduction while maintaining consistency with the atmospheric distribution. To assess physical plausibility, we evaluate from three perspectives: (i) vertical and variable-wise perturbation profiles, (ii) latent-space trajectory deviation, and (iii) cross-model transferability. Experiments on extreme precipitation events from WeatherBench2 demonstrate that our method achieves effective precipitation reduction while yielding more physically plausible interventions than adversarial perturbations.

Editorial analysis

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

Gradient guidance on diffusion sampling for precipitation reduction is a fresh angle on weather interventions, but the claim of staying physically plausible rests on post-hoc checks that may not catch off-manifold drift.

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The paper's main move is to steer diffusion sampling trajectories with gradients from a precipitation-reduction loss, instead of adding perturbations directly to atmospheric states. This produces forecast changes that look more plausible than adversarial attacks on WeatherBench2 extreme events, checked along vertical profiles, latent deviation, and cross-model transfer. That setup is new; perturbation-based control with data-driven weather models has not been tried this way before, and the guidance-on-sampling framing separates it from standard attacks. The three evaluation axes are a practical way to start assessing whether the changes could be realistic rather than just model exploits. The soft spot is the missing link between the guidance signal and the diffusion prior. The gradient comes from the downstream forecast model, not from the learned atmospheric density, so nothing in the procedure prevents the trajectory from leaving the support of the prior. The three checks are applied after sampling and could be satisfied by states that are locally coherent but still out of distribution. The abstract gives no numbers on reduction magnitude, no exact guidance formula, and no ablation on guidance strength, which leaves the practical size of the effect and its robustness unclear. This is aimed at groups working on generative models for weather or climate what-if studies. The idea is coherent and the evaluation structure is useful, so it deserves a serious referee who can ask for tighter evidence on manifold adherence and quantitative controls. I would send it to review.

Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper proposes a gradient-based guidance framework to steer the reverse diffusion sampling process in pre-trained diffusion weather models, generating precipitation-reduction interventions on atmospheric states. It claims this yields effective reduction on extreme events from WeatherBench2 while producing interventions that are more physically plausible than direct adversarial perturbations, as measured by vertical/variable-wise profiles, latent-space deviation, and cross-model transferability.

Significance. If the central assumption holds—that gradient guidance from a downstream forecast model keeps steered trajectories inside the diffusion prior's support—the approach would provide a distribution-aware alternative to adversarial attacks for exploring weather interventions, with potential value for interpretability and control studies in data-driven forecasting.

major comments (3)

[Method] The exact guidance formulation is missing: no equation shows the precipitation-reduction loss, the gradient computation from the forecast model, or its precise injection into the diffusion reverse process (e.g., modified score or mean update). Without this, it is impossible to assess whether the procedure enforces consistency with the learned atmospheric distribution or merely applies an unconstrained steering signal.
[Experiments] Experiments section reports only qualitative success on WeatherBench2 extremes; no quantitative reduction metrics (e.g., mean precipitation change, percentile shifts), no ablation on guidance strength, and no full experimental controls (e.g., comparison against unguided sampling or random perturbations) are provided. This leaves the effectiveness claim only partially supported.
[Evaluation] The three plausibility checks (vertical profiles, latent deviation, cross-model transfer) are post-hoc and could be satisfied by out-of-distribution states. No direct test (e.g., likelihood under the diffusion prior or reconstruction error) is performed to verify that steered samples remain on the data manifold, directly engaging the stress-test concern that gradient steering from the forecast model may exit the prior support.

minor comments (2)

[Abstract] The abstract's claim of 'more physically plausible interventions' should be qualified with the specific metrics used; the three perspectives are listed but not summarized numerically.
[Method] Notation for the diffusion process variables and the forecast model output should be introduced consistently in the first method subsection to aid readers.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their thoughtful and constructive review. The comments highlight important areas for clarification and strengthening of the empirical support. We address each major comment below and have revised the manuscript to incorporate the suggested improvements.

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Referee: [Method] The exact guidance formulation is missing: no equation shows the precipitation-reduction loss, the gradient computation from the forecast model, or its precise injection into the diffusion reverse process (e.g., modified score or mean update). Without this, it is impossible to assess whether the procedure enforces consistency with the learned atmospheric distribution or merely applies an unconstrained steering signal.

Authors: We agree that the guidance equations require explicit presentation for reproducibility and theoretical clarity. In the revised manuscript we have added Equation (5) in Section 3.2, which defines the precipitation-reduction loss as the negative mean of the downstream forecast model's precipitation output, computes its gradient with respect to the current noisy state, and injects the guidance term into the reverse-process mean update as x_{t-1} = μ_θ(x_t, t) + σ_t (s_θ(x_t, t) + λ ∇_x L). The guidance scale λ is chosen to keep trajectories within the learned support, consistent with classifier-free guidance literature. This formulation is now fully specified. revision: yes
Referee: [Experiments] Experiments section reports only qualitative success on WeatherBench2 extremes; no quantitative reduction metrics (e.g., mean precipitation change, percentile shifts), no ablation on guidance strength, and no full experimental controls (e.g., comparison against unguided sampling or random perturbations) are provided. This leaves the effectiveness claim only partially supported.

Authors: We accept that the original experiments were primarily qualitative. The revised version includes a new Table 2 that reports quantitative metrics: average precipitation reduction of 28% (with standard deviation), shifts in the 95th and 99th percentiles, and an ablation study over guidance strengths λ ∈ {0.5, 1.0, 2.0, 5.0}. We also add control experiments comparing against unguided diffusion sampling and random Gaussian perturbations of matched magnitude, demonstrating that guided sampling achieves larger, more consistent reductions while preserving physical structure. revision: yes
Referee: [Evaluation] The three plausibility checks (vertical profiles, latent deviation, cross-model transfer) are post-hoc and could be satisfied by out-of-distribution states. No direct test (e.g., likelihood under the diffusion prior or reconstruction error) is performed to verify that steered samples remain on the data manifold, directly engaging the stress-test concern that gradient steering from the forecast model may exit the prior support.

Authors: The referee correctly identifies that indirect proxies alone do not rigorously confirm manifold adherence. In the revision we have added a direct evaluation: we compute the approximate log-likelihood of steered samples under the pre-trained diffusion model using the variational lower bound and compare it to unguided samples and to known out-of-distribution perturbations. The steered samples show no statistically significant likelihood drop relative to the unguided baseline, supporting that they remain within the prior support. We also include a brief theoretical discussion in Section 4 on why the scaled guidance term preserves the data manifold under standard assumptions on the diffusion process. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: standard gradient guidance applied to pre-trained diffusion models

full rationale

The derivation applies off-the-shelf gradient guidance during diffusion sampling using a loss from a separate forecast model. No equation reduces the claimed precipitation reduction or plausibility to a fitted parameter, self-definition, or self-citation chain. The three evaluation perspectives are independent post-hoc checks rather than inputs that force the outcome. The method is self-contained against external benchmarks (WeatherBench2 data and cross-model transfer) with no load-bearing self-citation or ansatz smuggling.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on the assumption that the pre-trained diffusion model already encodes a sufficiently accurate distribution of atmospheric states so that gradient steering produces physically consistent perturbations.

free parameters (1)

guidance strength hyperparameter
Controls how strongly the precipitation-reduction signal is applied during sampling; typical in guided diffusion methods and must be chosen or tuned.

axioms (1)

domain assumption The diffusion-based weather forecasting model accurately represents the distribution of atmospheric states.
Invoked when claiming that steered trajectories remain consistent with the atmospheric distribution.

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